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Post#81 » by NJ SixerFan » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:24 pm

Kobblehead wrote:TLC is being overlooked throughout this team building process of people wanting to throw big money (and the consequent minutes that would follow) at these average wing players on the open market.

Exactly, I would much rather see BC role with Stauskas and Luwawu this season then to throw money around on huge deals like the rest of the league is doing.
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Post#82 » by Chamberlainship » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:31 pm

One of the recurring errors/design flaws of the sixers' recent player development strategy has been expecting too much from young players who then struggle to fulfill expectations. I like TLC, but I'm thinking it'll be a few years before we should count on him for big minutes.
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Post#83 » by Kobblehead » Sat Jul 2, 2016 2:43 pm

Chamberlainship wrote:One of the recurring errors/design flaws of the sixers' recent player development strategy has been expecting too much from young players who then struggle to fulfill expectations. I like TLC, but I'm thinking it'll be a few years before we should count on him for big minutes.


Eh, TLC isn't a teenager, though. He's already 21 and was a 30 mpg player in the Adriatic League this year. He's been in a professional enviroment for 4 years now.

I expect Stauskas to start at the SG spot, early on. I want all the developmental minutes possible for TLC, though. He should be playing 20+ minutes on a nightly basis.
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Post#84 » by Ericb5 » Sat Jul 2, 2016 3:08 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Chamberlainship wrote:One of the recurring errors/design flaws of the sixers' recent player development strategy has been expecting too much from young players who then struggle to fulfill expectations. I like TLC, but I'm thinking it'll be a few years before we should count on him for big minutes.


Eh, TLC isn't a teenager, though. He's already 21 and was a 30 mpg player in the Adriatic League this year. He's been in a professional enviroment for 4 years now.

I expect Stauskas to start at the SG spot, early on. I want all the developmental minutes possible for TLC, though. He should be playing 20+ minutes on a nightly basis.


My philosophy for young kids drafted late in the first round and beyond is to expect nothing from them on the court in terms of production in the beginning. They are prospects, and not players.

So with TLC I just want him to establish himself as an NBA player, stay healthy, fundamentally improve his skills, and get better month to month.

He may not be a rotation player for us this year, and that is fine. I want him to be ready when an injury happens to step in and apply what he has learned, and try to become a rotation player for us in time.

If you keep your expectations for players like him at that level then there isn't much room for disappointment in them in terms of their play on the court.


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Post#85 » by rzzzzz » Sat Jul 2, 2016 4:50 pm

Ericb5 wrote:My philosophy for young kids drafted late in the first round and beyond is to expect nothing from them on the court in terms of production in the beginning. They are prospects, and not players.


but what if we had moved up and drafted TLC at #10. yeah, i know, stupid supposition, but would anybody have been surprised if he had been drafted that high? very intriguing player. (heck, i think Furkan is intriguing, and while stashing him back home right now would make sense under normal conditions, I don't blame this kid wanting to get out of Turkey, the way things are there right now, and getting more minutes than he's likely to get in the Euro league.)
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Post#86 » by 76thBearCub » Sun Jul 3, 2016 6:48 pm

I think this guy, with Simmons and knock on wood, Joel Embiid, will bring a drastically different attitude to the WFC. These guys are going to have a chip on their shoulders.
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Post#87 » by 76thBearCub » Sun Jul 3, 2016 6:50 pm

Oh and Saric as well assuming he comes over. He fits right in with it.
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Post#88 » by Ericb5 » Sun Jul 3, 2016 6:52 pm

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Ericb5 wrote:My philosophy for young kids drafted late in the first round and beyond is to expect nothing from them on the court in terms of production in the beginning. They are prospects, and not players.


but what if we had moved up and drafted TLC at #10. yeah, i know, stupid supposition, but would anybody have been surprised if he had been drafted that high? very intriguing player. (heck, i think Furkan is intriguing, and while stashing him back home right now would make sense under normal conditions, I don't blame this kid wanting to get out of Turkey, the way things are there right now, and getting more minutes than he's likely to get in the Euro league.)


The higher the draft pick the higher the expectations obviously. I'm just saying that he should crawl before he walks a bit.


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Post#89 » by phillynative » Mon Jul 4, 2016 12:18 pm

I wish we could go inside the training camp so we can see him battling nik for the so spot. Should be interesting
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Post#90 » by remi_222 » Thu Jul 7, 2016 6:22 pm

I haven't seen his games so far during the summer league, can you guys tell me how is he going ? what are your prediction about this guy for the following year ?
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Post#91 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jul 7, 2016 6:33 pm

remi_222 wrote:I haven't seen his games so far during the summer league, can you guys tell me how is he going ? what are your prediction about this guy for the following year ?


In his 1st SL game:
- Had a couple careless passes. His court awareness needs some seasoning.
- Had a few plays where he put the ball on the floor and drove to the rim. Showed glimpses of being much more than just a catch and shoot player.
- Shot the ball well from three and the free throw line. Really has a nice stroke.
- Moved really well out on the court. Very graceful and smooth athlete. Almost glides.
- Was one of only three players on the team with a positive +/-.
- I was slightly disappointed by his lack of defensive playmaking. I expected him to be more disruptive on that end. Simmons had the same issue, in game 1.

I like him a lot. Unlike some of the younger, more raw Euro prospects, I think he's ready to be a contributor almost right away. I think he's a nice fit offensively and I think he has potential on the defensive end as the months go on.
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Post#92 » by Sixerscan » Thu Jul 7, 2016 6:34 pm

phillynative wrote:I wish we could go inside the training camp so we can see him battling nik for the so spot. Should be interesting


Would be pretty surprised if Henderson and cov weren't the starting wings, and if they aren't it probably means a trade was made.
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Post#93 » by mksp » Thu Jul 7, 2016 7:24 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
remi_222 wrote:I haven't seen his games so far during the summer league, can you guys tell me how is he going ? what are your prediction about this guy for the following year ?


In his 1st SL game:
- Had a couple careless passes. His court awareness needs some seasoning.
- Had a few plays where he put the ball on the floor and drove to the rim. Showed glimpses of being much more than just a catch and shoot player.
- Shot the ball well from three and the free throw line. Really has a nice stroke.
- Moved really well out on the court. Very graceful and smooth athlete. Almost glides.
- Was one of only three players on the team with a positive +/-.
- I was slightly disappointed by his lack of defensive playmaking. I expected him to be more disruptive on that end. Simmons had the same issue, in game 1.

I like him a lot. Unlike some of the younger, more raw Euro prospects, I think he's ready to be a contributor almost right away. I think he's a nice fit offensively and I think he has potential on the defensive end as the months go on.


For his first professional game on US soil, he didn't look lost at all.

Was more assertive with the ball in his hands than I thought he would be, and showed a bit more creativity with it than I thought he had. Also really liked how quick his release was when he had an open shot, didn't hesitate at all.

He put together a really intriguing performance.
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Post#94 » by phillynative » Sat Jul 9, 2016 3:49 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
phillynative wrote:I wish we could go inside the training camp so we can see him battling nik for the so spot. Should be interesting


Would be pretty surprised if Henderson and cov weren't the starting wings, and if they aren't it probably means a trade was made.

So what would you predict the whole starting 5 to be going in the season?
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Post#95 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:47 am

phillynative wrote:
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phillynative wrote:I wish we could go inside the training camp so we can see him battling nik for the so spot. Should be interesting


Would be pretty surprised if Henderson and cov weren't the starting wings, and if they aren't it probably means a trade was made.

So what would you predict the whole starting 5 to be going in the season?


Simmons obviously. After that it's less clear. Sergio or Bayless at the point and then one of the centers.
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Post#96 » by remi_222 » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:19 am

he looks great tonight !! ;)
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Post#97 » by PhillyNj » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:59 pm

remi_222 wrote:he looks great tonight !! ;)

Just want to say this guy has really impressed me in the lvsl.
He can flat out shoot and he looks pretty good on the defensive end!
I think he's already better than Stauskus and think he will end up the backup sg.
AT his point I'm not sure stauskus will even make the team.
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Post#98 » by LloydFree » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:44 am

PhillyNj wrote:
remi_222 wrote:he looks great tonight !! ;)

Just want to say this guy has really impressed me in the lvsl.
He can flat out shoot and he looks pretty good on the defensive end!
I think he's already better than Stauskus and think he will end up the backup sg.
AT his point I'm not sure stauskus will even make the team.

He's a different player than Stauskas, but he has looked better. Stauskas has a better handle, but he is so weak and unathletic, he can't get where he wants to go with the ball. Luwawu can't dribble, so he knows he's limited to being a 3 &D guy who can finish on the break. His skill set has a role on a team. Stauskas really doesn't have a place unless he's hitting 30 footers.
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Post#99 » by Ericb5 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:37 pm

Chamberlainship wrote:One of the recurring errors/design flaws of the sixers' recent player development strategy has been expecting too much from young players who then struggle to fulfill expectations. I like TLC, but I'm thinking it'll be a few years before we should count on him for big minutes.


I don't think that expecting a lot from young players is/was part of the process at all. A large tenant of the process was that short term results on the court were irrelevant. Nobody was saying that playing exclusively young guys will improve the product on the floor in the present at all, or even that it was best for the development of the players to be on as bad a team as possible. It was that there was to be a focus on long term development, and the best way to maximize your chances of obtaining real talent was to pursue this strategy.

We dredged the bottom for all the talent that we could get, and now that the process is complete we have ridiculous amounts of young talent, and high draft picks from which more young talent will be obtained.

I think you are demonstrating how many naysayers of the process never even understood it because you are ascribing motives to the process that it didn't have, and then measuring results that it didn't pursue, and claiming that it came up short.

It's the whole "how good of a GM was Hinkie when he could only win 10 games?" BS. The question should rather be "how much talent, and future high picks, could we have accumulated in the last 3 years if we had pursued short term gain, over talent acquisition?"

Following that path would result in no Noel, Saric, Embiid, Okafor, or Simmons, and we would instead have something like Jrue, and a bunch of talent acquired in the 8-15 range in each of the last three drafts. We would have no potential franchise players on the team currently, instead of the two that we currently have in Embiid, and Simmons.

Embiid, and Simmons are the main precious harvest of the process that would have ZERO chance of being on the Sixers if we pursued wins on the court during the last three years. Now the process is done, and they are 19, and 22.

When was the last team that brought in 3 rookies in the same year as talented as Embiid, Simmons, and Saric? These are Hinkie sowed fruit.
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Post#100 » by rzzzzz » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:53 pm

thoughts and prayers out to TLC's family and friends and the city of Nice. we all are tasked with addressing the horror of extremism that gives encouragement and focus for raging emotion to murder so many innocents. let's try to remember all that we share rather than inflame what we perceive as dividing us.

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