Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[dangermouse]

Trade proposal

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6707032


Wizards send Morris, Porter to Kings for Gay, 2017 1st round pick

Wizards send Gortat, 2017 1st, Kings 2017 1st to Cavs for Love

I couldn't be less interested in trading for Gay, particularly if it involves Porter going out.

Trading for Love could work from a roster balancing perspective, but I wouldn't give up that much for him. I'd start at Gortat straight up for Love and maybe throw in a protected pick or Markieff Morris. That's about it. If they want more, then forget it.

This x1000000.

I'd definitely do something around Gortat for Love. Just forget about the Gay angle, MUCH rather keep Porter at the 3.

PF is our weakest position, using Gortat to get a Love calibre player would salvage this off season. Using Gortat or Porter to get Gay would be even more of a failure.

We would sacrifice centre depth, and Smith becomes our backup big there which isn't great. Sacrificing depth might not be a great move either considering our luck with injuries this past season, particularly when you are bringing in someone like Love who has had struggles in this area... However, I feel this balances our starting unit a lot better and we not only get our Stretch 4 that we really haven't found, but he is one of the top 3 Stretch 4's league-wide. Moving Mahinmi to starting C may also be a wise move. Wall said he wanted a rim protector - it only stands to reason that he wanted one in the starting lineup (better than Gortat) rather than in the 2ns unit. Stat padding or not, Love also brings rebounding to the table which we lack.

[FAH1223]

PASS on the Gay-Love trade..

Otto and Gortat are more productive than Gay.

[verbal8]

Verbal,
i like Davis and Aminu, but our front court is getting very crowded and while that trade would allow Davis to be the backup to Mahinmi, Aminu would make the Nicholson signing useless.

If Nicholson plays well enough to earn minutes, Aminu can play some SF. It probably would mean that Oubre would either have to improve a lot or not get many minutes. I don't think that would be a bad thing.

[verbal8]

Probably a completely theoretical discussion, but what if the Kings were willing to deal Rudy Gay and Cousins for Porter/Gortat and Morris?

I suspect Cousins is probably part of the reason that Gay wants out of Sacramento.

[payitforward]

So, in effect, the Wizards trade Morris, Porter, Gortat and our 2017 R1 pick in return for Kevin Love & Rudy Gay?
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Making this trade, we would be completely ham-strung.

Well I agree it's risky, but at the same time what do we have to lose. ...A starting 5 of Mahinmi, Love, Gay, Beal, Wall should be ECF worthy. It's a unit that can shoot and score the ball, and rebound.

The bench is a bit thin, depending on Oubre and Satoransky to become major contributors.

I hate to give Porter, I am a fan of his and was a major proponent for drafting him, but you have to give up something to get something, and he is one of our few assets, plus it makes the salaries work.

Don't know how to respond.... We lose Gortat, Porter, a high R1 pick next year, all our flexibility, and basically any chance at even a mid-term future.

No, I don't think that starting 5 would get to the ECF -- why would it? Love is an upgrade over Morris, that's a no-brainer. But Mahinmi is a slight downgrade over Gortat, and Gay is a downgrade over Porter. Our starting 5 might be a few games better. Unfortunately, our bench would be a few games worse.

[Dark Faze]

Gortat to Boston
Okafor and Olynyk to DC
James Young, Jerebko + picks of some sort to Philly ?

Wall/Sato/Burke
Beal/Thornton/Sato
Porter/Oubre
Okafor/Olynyk
Mahinmi/Smith

The fit isn't amazing but getting a young potential all-star in Okafor might be worth the growing pains. Can't see Boston saying no to getting such a strong frontcourt piece to pair with Horford. And Philly has seen that the trade value isn't great for Okafor--getting a pick from boston + other assets might be fine for them at this point.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Gortat to Boston
Okafor and Olynyk to DC
James Young, Jerebko + picks of some sort to Philly ?

Wall/Sato/Burke
Beal/Thornton/Sato
Porter/Oubre
Okafor/Olynyk
Mahinmi/Smith

The fit isn't amazing but getting a young potential all-star in Okafor might be worth the growing pains. Can't see Boston saying no to getting such a strong frontcourt piece to pair with Horford. And Philly has seen that the trade value isn't great for Okafor--getting a pick from boston + other assets might be fine for them at this point.

I'd do that trade! Not sure Philly would...well, depending on what picks they get from Boston.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

Gortat to Boston
Okafor and Olynyk to DC
James Young, Jerebko + picks of some sort to Philly ?

Wall/Sato/Burke
Beal/Thornton/Sato
Porter/Oubre
Okafor/Olynyk
Mahinmi/Smith

The fit isn't amazing but getting a young potential all-star in Okafor might be worth the growing pains. Can't see Boston saying no to getting such a strong frontcourt piece to pair with Horford. And Philly has seen that the trade value isn't great for Okafor--getting a pick from boston + other assets might be fine for them at this point.

What happened to Morris? Pretty sure Okafor would be the back up Center and Smith the backup 4. Now that I think about it, Morris/Smith might be the worst 4 tandem in the league.

[miller31time]

Definite pass on Rudy Gay. But I've been a big proponent of acquiring Kevin Love for a while now.

It's a classic case of buying low. His value has never been lower. Cleveland might accept a Gortat/Morris for Love/Shumpert trade. With the Mahinmi signing, we can afford to lose Gortat and Love would flourish here with more touches and a pass-first point guard who excels in the pick and roll/pop.

[gtn130]

Definite pass on Rudy Gay. But I've been a big proponent of acquiring Kevin Love for a while now.

It's a classic case of buying low. His value has never been lower. Cleveland might accept a Gortat/Morris for Love/Shumpert trade. With the Mahinmi signing, we can afford to lose Gortat and Love would flourish here with more touches and a pass-first point guard who excels in the pick and roll/pop.

I don't think his value is actually that low among non-media people

[deneem4]

What about gortat for tyreke and a pick of some sort

Wall/satorsky/burke
Beal/tyreke/thorton
Porter/oubre/eddie
Morris/Nicholson
Mahinmi/Smith/ochefu

Tyreke is good Beal insurance and can really push the pace with oubre on the wings...he can also play with wall in a pinch...
Most importantly it gives us some huge guards and some credible scoring off the bench...
Mahinmi gets bulk of the center minutes which is preferable considering his contract.

[pcbothwel]

What about gortat for tyreke and a pick of some sort

Wall/satorsky/burke
Beal/tyreke/thorton
Porter/oubre/eddie
Morris/Nicholson
Mahinmi/Smith/ochefu

Tyreke is good Beal insurance and can really push the pace with oubre on the wings...he can also play with wall in a pinch...
Most importantly it gives us some huge guards and some credible scoring off the bench...
Mahinmi gets bulk of the center minutes which is preferable considering his contract.

I may be alone, but I have no interest in trading Gortat this year except for an overpay. Our front court is a strength and I dont want to jeopardize that now. Gortat is going to have another solid year like the last 3 years and be a Prime trade candidate next year.

Next years FA class is Monroe, Bogut, Amir Johnson, Zaza, Dedmon, Withey, and Hibbert. The only one on that last that could start for a playoff team is Monroe. Zaza and Bogut are questionable with age.

[dangermouse]

Never really liked Tyreke.... I am in the pro-gortat trade camp, but I feel like we should address other areas (unless Kieff blows up), and we will likely have a chance to come trade deadline.

[WallToWall]

I know a lot of folks have posted various trades to acquire DMC in the past. I am wondering, given the current construct of the team, is there a way to trade Gortat + Porter for DMC + filler? Maybe get a 3rd team involved? For some reason, the trade checker isnt working for me right now.

[jivelikenice]

Just a question to throw out there. What is Gortat's value right now? I got into a debate with someone yesterday on this topic who argued that it had to be less than what it was when we acquired him. My counter to that was when we acquired him he had one year left on his deal & was coming off a down year in Phx. Coming off a season where his Per was 19 and at his salary in the new NBA landscape for 3 more years I thought his value may actually have increased. Any thoughts?

[payitforward]

We didn't get him for his then current value. We had to overpay -- by a lot -- because we had no one to play Center once Okafor went down. He was a rent-a-player that season, which obvious holds down your trade value in almost every instance.

Right now he is one of the better starting Centers in the league, and he's signed at a below-market rate for a few years. That makes him quite valuable I would think. It would also make it foolish to trade him.

[pcbothwel]

Just a question to throw out there. What is Gortat's value right now? I got into a debate with someone yesterday on this topic who argued that it had to be less than what it was when we acquired him. My counter to that was when we acquired him he had one year left on his deal & was coming off a down year in Phx. Coming off a season where his Per was 19 and at his salary in the new NBA landscape for 3 more years I thought his value may actually have increased. Any thoughts?

This very minute? I would say a mid 1st (15-20), but who knows. I'd love to get a 3-way trade where we get Nurkic from Denver and we send Gortat to a 3rd team. I.E. Gortat and Gary Harris to Charlotte, MKG to Denver, Nurkic and protected 1st to Wiz.

I think next summer his value is the absolute highest (assuming he performs like he has the last 3 years). His effectiveness combined with his contract (2/26M) allows a team to have a top 10-12 Center, but still be able to rotate in another big and be able to allocate cap space to other positions.

I see no reason he couldnt get us a late lotto pick next year, or similar value (young player and mid to late 1st).

Fans dont realize that when an offense cant create their own shot, a great PnR big can keep them afloat.

[payitforward]

Just a question to throw out there. What is Gortat's value right now? I got into a debate with someone yesterday on this topic who argued that it had to be less than what it was when we acquired him. My counter to that was when we acquired him he had one year left on his deal & was coming off a down year in Phx. Coming off a season where his Per was 19 and at his salary in the new NBA landscape for 3 more years I thought his value may actually have increased. Any thoughts?

This very minute? I would say a mid 1st (15-20), but who knows. I'd love to get a 3-way trade where we get Nurkic from Denver and we send Gortat to a 3rd team. I.E. Gortat and Gary Harris to Charlotte, MKG to Denver, Nurkic and protected 1st to Wiz.

I think next summer his value is the absolute highest (assuming he performs like he has the last 3 years). His effectiveness combined with his contract (2/26M) allows a team to have a top 10-12 Center, but still be able to rotate in another big and be able to allocate cap space to other positions.

I see no reason he couldnt get us a late lotto pick next year, or similar value (young player and mid to late 1st).

Fans dont realize that when an offense cant create their own shot, a great PnR big can keep them afloat.

Nurkic would make us younger, and people think he has a lot of potential (I just haven't seen enough of him to have any take on that), but if you think Gortat would get us a lottery pick next year, why would you trade him for Nurkic? Yes, he went in the lottery in '14 -- #16, the last lottery pick -- but so far Jokic, whom they took 265 picks later and who is a little younger even than Nurkic, has kept him on the bench. He looks to be the superior player -- by a lot!

Now... get him not Nurkic, and get a mid-late R1 pick, and no problem: I'm ready to trade Gortat! But... Denver ain't doing that!

[payitforward]

That was one heck of a R2 in that 2014 draft, btw: of the 10 guys taken 41-50, 6 of them are playing in the league -- and 3 of those (Jokic, Clarkson & Powell) are among the better young players in the league.

Of those taken from 51-60, 4 of them were Euro-stash who haven't yet (and/or may never) come over, and 3 of them have played in the NBA or are on teams right now.

7 of the guys taken from 31-40 play in the league, and 2 others have (1 of them, Jarnell Stokes, looks like he will again this year).

You will recall, of course, that we didn't have a R1 pick that year, and that we traded our R2 pick (Jordan Clarkson) to the Lakers for a deluxe tour of Universal Studios.

[WallToWall]

Its good to get some reassurance, if you want to call it that, that Gortat will not get traded. I spent some time thinking about how we could use his contract as a means to improve. Listening to our favorite beat writer who said that the Wizards were active in the trade market, I was trying to think of who we could trade. Correct me, if I am wrong, but we cant trade away players that we've just signed. If so, then that just leaves a handfull of players, Wall, Gortat, Oubre, Porter, who have value and can get us something back in return. Given the recent "big man" signings, it stood to reason that the C position was where we could make changes. So, if we cant trade a player that just signed, and Gortat is off the table, then that leaves Oubre and Porter as trade bait, because I dont think we are trading Wall. So, what can Oubre and/or Porter get us in return?