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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

Post#101 » by BigSlam » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:07 am

rebelx wrote:Here's the lowdown on CWood...

The biggest thing to remember about Christian is that he's ONLY 20 years old, and already played two years of college, a handful NBA games, and half a season in the NBADL.

When UNLV first "signed" Wood, he was a verbal commit prior to his sophomore season (a Stacy Augmon find, who I believe knew his mom..?), and in a sort-of college stash and dash, he enrolled at Findlay Prep (down the road from UNLV) and played there for 3 years along side a bunch of, now, NBA players.

Chris was a really young freshman at UNLV. He was 17 when he stepped on campus. He was 6'6" when he signed his letter of intent, and a SF/SG at Findlay. He stepped on campus as a 6'7" freshman "forward" and by the end of the year, he was visibly taller, at about 6'9"....showed up his Sophomore year, and again, visibly taller, easily 6'10" to 6'11"....and the wingspan just seemed to come out of nowhere. He was initially signed as a potential small forward, and ended up a center at UNLV.

Chris' game was erratic his freshman year, as he was a tweener and very skinny. He was never an "around-the-basket" type player. More of a perimeter type. His Sophomore year, Chris really stepped it up, and was one of our best players. His game against Arizona, if the season stopped right there, would've made him a lottery pick....but throughout the season, he was up and down....he favored the perimeter, but UNLV needed him down low...and he didn't want that. At times was visibly upset about it....which, ironically, would make him mad and play better...lol

Anyway, there's a bunch of stories on his draft day....it was a definite sad day for him.... but reality is, Christian was very immature. UNLV fans weren't happy how he announced he was going to the NBA....he held off the decision, making UNLV fans think he was leaning toward staying, but it was just until his video could be produced of him thanking the city and announcing his intentions). Chris worked hard to get his Sixers contract....he felt jilted by not being drafted, and then put in double-time (probably what he needed to do anyway)....he was a tough fit on the Sixers, as they had young players they drafted in the lottery at his position. I thought, when given meaningful minutes, he played as well as any rookie....he just didn't get those minutes enough.

Well, I've seen nearly ALL of Wood's college games, all of his NBA games, all of his summer league games, and all of his NBADL games....Chris is starting to get it. Chris has MAJOR upside....NBA starter upside (if not beyond that...not kidding).... He has RARE talents for a player his size. His ability to take guys off the dribble, and his ability to finish, and step back and hit outside shots....all from a long, lanky PF/C....it's all just rare in today's game. The thing is, he's just NOW beginning to tap into his potential.

I'm a fan through thick and thin, but I still view things from a realistic standpoint.....and with Chris, the realism is this....Wood has struggled with:
    **defensive positioning - (in the NBADL, he simply wouldn't be that help side defender that you need a guy with 7'3" wingspan to be).
    **screens - he's improved, but he's one of the worst players, his size, at setting screens. He needs to take a class given by John Stockton, on proper screening
    **pick and rolls - Chris still loves the perimeter. He's not ineffective out there either, and always draws a big out to guard him. It's just, the guy pops every time....he NEVER rolls to the basket...well, not never, but rarely does he roll to the basket.
    **effort - Chris has struggled with 100% effort. He doesn't always give it....when he does, lookout....when he doesn't, lookout

In the end, though, I attribute the negatives to Christ just being young... IF the Hornets treat him like a lottery pick....if they don't look at him as filler, but as somebody that could turn out to be a very special player....and churn him through whatever development channels your team has, he'll get there. He really needs a good mentor to show him what hard work is....maybe that's MJ?

Amazing input rebelx. Thanks for your insight. Hope to see you posting more here now.

Who would you compare the Wood to in the modern NBA (both ceiling and floor)?


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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

Post#102 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:40 am

High upside kid who has maturity issues. Or maybe 'had' maturity issues. Regardless it's a really, really good signing by Cho. Rebelx pretty well nailed it. Incredible low risk high upside signing. Kid is already better than Tyrus Thomas ever thought of being outside of the Magic series.
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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

Post#103 » by BigSlam » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:40 am

Interesting read from the Woods draft night pain.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/christian-wood-76ers-future


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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

Post#104 » by Mystical Apples » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:44 am

That was a great bio thx. Very similar to Kaminsky who was a guard in HS and didn't stop growing until college and forced into learning new positions along the way, including PF for the 1st time as an NBA player. We tend to forget how demanding high level basketball can be, let alone acclimating to a new body and positions.

What's encouraging about Wood is elements of playing big while maintaining perimeter skills. His defensive rebounding combined with FT% and absurdly low TO% on 23% usage is moldable. Granted the low TO's are in part from....Ummm no way around this....ultra-lite passing but baby steps.

I'd ignore his small NBA sample size except his #'s hold in D-League play. And Vonleh wouldn't hold my breathe he'll get a 2nd contract.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=vonleno01&y1=2016&p2=woodch01&y2=2016&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

Post#106 » by Flip Murray » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:02 am

rebelx wrote:Here's the lowdown on CWood...

The biggest thing to remember about Christian is that he's ONLY 20 years old, and already played two years of college, a handful NBA games, and half a season in the NBADL.

When UNLV first "signed" Wood, he was a verbal commit prior to his sophomore season (a Stacy Augmon find, who I believe knew his mom..?), and in a sort-of college stash and dash, he enrolled at Findlay Prep (down the road from UNLV) and played there for 3 years along side a bunch of, now, NBA players.

Chris was a really young freshman at UNLV. He was 17 when he stepped on campus. He was 6'6" when he signed his letter of intent, and a SF/SG at Findlay. He stepped on campus as a 6'7" freshman "forward" and by the end of the year, he was visibly taller, at about 6'9"....showed up his Sophomore year, and again, visibly taller, easily 6'10" to 6'11"....and the wingspan just seemed to come out of nowhere. He was initially signed as a potential small forward, and ended up a center at UNLV.

Chris' game was erratic his freshman year, as he was a tweener and very skinny. He was never an "around-the-basket" type player. More of a perimeter type. His Sophomore year, Chris really stepped it up, and was one of our best players. His game against Arizona, if the season stopped right there, would've made him a lottery pick....but throughout the season, he was up and down....he favored the perimeter, but UNLV needed him down low...and he didn't want that. At times was visibly upset about it....which, ironically, would make him mad and play better...lol

Anyway, there's a bunch of stories on his draft day....it was a definite sad day for him.... but reality is, Christian was very immature. UNLV fans weren't happy how he announced he was going to the NBA....he held off the decision, making UNLV fans think he was leaning toward staying, but it was just until his video could be produced of him thanking the city and announcing his intentions). Chris worked hard to get his Sixers contract....he felt jilted by not being drafted, and then put in double-time (probably what he needed to do anyway)....he was a tough fit on the Sixers, as they had young players they drafted in the lottery at his position. I thought, when given meaningful minutes, he played as well as any rookie....he just didn't get those minutes enough.

Well, I've seen nearly ALL of Wood's college games, all of his NBA games, all of his summer league games, and all of his NBADL games....Chris is starting to get it. Chris has MAJOR upside....NBA starter upside (if not beyond that...not kidding).... He has RARE talents for a player his size. His ability to take guys off the dribble, and his ability to finish, and step back and hit outside shots....all from a long, lanky PF/C....it's all just rare in today's game. The thing is, he's just NOW beginning to tap into his potential.

I'm a fan through thick and thin, but I still view things from a realistic standpoint.....and with Chris, the realism is this....Wood has struggled with:
    **defensive positioning - (in the NBADL, he simply wouldn't be that help side defender that you need a guy with 7'3" wingspan to be).
    **screens - he's improved, but he's one of the worst players, his size, at setting screens. He needs to take a class given by John Stockton, on proper screening
    **pick and rolls - Chris still loves the perimeter. He's not ineffective out there either, and always draws a big out to guard him. It's just, the guy pops every time....he NEVER rolls to the basket...well, not never, but rarely does he roll to the basket.
    **effort - Chris has struggled with 100% effort. He doesn't always give it....when he does, lookout....when he doesn't, lookout

In the end, though, I attribute the negatives to Christ just being young... IF the Hornets treat him like a lottery pick....if they don't look at him as filler, but as somebody that could turn out to be a very special player....and churn him through whatever development channels your team has, he'll get there. He really needs a good mentor to show him what hard work is....maybe that's MJ?


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Post#107 » by Flip Murray » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:05 am

This is 100% our rookie. I'd rather have him than anyone available at 22.

If we actually hit a home run with this dude...

I hope he can stay out of Cliff's doghouse and at least get some minutes.
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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

Post#108 » by HornetJail » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:24 am

rebelx wrote:Here's the lowdown on CWood...

The biggest thing to remember about Christian is that he's ONLY 20 years old, and already played two years of college, a handful NBA games, and half a season in the NBADL.

When UNLV first "signed" Wood, he was a verbal commit prior to his sophomore season (a Stacy Augmon find, who I believe knew his mom..?), and in a sort-of college stash and dash, he enrolled at Findlay Prep (down the road from UNLV) and played there for 3 years along side a bunch of, now, NBA players.

Chris was a really young freshman at UNLV. He was 17 when he stepped on campus. He was 6'6" when he signed his letter of intent, and a SF/SG at Findlay. He stepped on campus as a 6'7" freshman "forward" and by the end of the year, he was visibly taller, at about 6'9"....showed up his Sophomore year, and again, visibly taller, easily 6'10" to 6'11"....and the wingspan just seemed to come out of nowhere. He was initially signed as a potential small forward, and ended up a center at UNLV.

Chris' game was erratic his freshman year, as he was a tweener and very skinny. He was never an "around-the-basket" type player. More of a perimeter type. His Sophomore year, Chris really stepped it up, and was one of our best players. His game against Arizona, if the season stopped right there, would've made him a lottery pick....but throughout the season, he was up and down....he favored the perimeter, but UNLV needed him down low...and he didn't want that. At times was visibly upset about it....which, ironically, would make him mad and play better...lol

Anyway, there's a bunch of stories on his draft day....it was a definite sad day for him.... but reality is, Christian was very immature. UNLV fans weren't happy how he announced he was going to the NBA....he held off the decision, making UNLV fans think he was leaning toward staying, but it was just until his video could be produced of him thanking the city and announcing his intentions). Chris worked hard to get his Sixers contract....he felt jilted by not being drafted, and then put in double-time (probably what he needed to do anyway)....he was a tough fit on the Sixers, as they had young players they drafted in the lottery at his position. I thought, when given meaningful minutes, he played as well as any rookie....he just didn't get those minutes enough.

Well, I've seen nearly ALL of Wood's college games, all of his NBA games, all of his summer league games, and all of his NBADL games....Chris is starting to get it. Chris has MAJOR upside....NBA starter upside (if not beyond that...not kidding).... He has RARE talents for a player his size. His ability to take guys off the dribble, and his ability to finish, and step back and hit outside shots....all from a long, lanky PF/C....it's all just rare in today's game. The thing is, he's just NOW beginning to tap into his potential.

I'm a fan through thick and thin, but I still view things from a realistic standpoint.....and with Chris, the realism is this....Wood has struggled with:
    **defensive positioning - (in the NBADL, he simply wouldn't be that help side defender that you need a guy with 7'3" wingspan to be).
    **screens - he's improved, but he's one of the worst players, his size, at setting screens. He needs to take a class given by John Stockton, on proper screening
    **pick and rolls - Chris still loves the perimeter. He's not ineffective out there either, and always draws a big out to guard him. It's just, the guy pops every time....he NEVER rolls to the basket...well, not never, but rarely does he roll to the basket.
    **effort - Chris has struggled with 100% effort. He doesn't always give it....when he does, lookout....when he doesn't, lookout

In the end, though, I attribute the negatives to Christ just being young... IF the Hornets treat him like a lottery pick....if they don't look at him as filler, but as somebody that could turn out to be a very special player....and churn him through whatever development channels your team has, he'll get there. He really needs a good mentor to show him what hard work is....maybe that's MJ?

I'm still stoked for this kid, but that effort problem is totally going to keep him in Steve Clifford's doghouse if it surfaces here.
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Re: We Got Wood: The Christian Wood Thread 

Post#109 » by rebelx » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:09 am

BigSlam wrote:Amazing input rebelx. Thanks for your insight. Hope to see you posting more here now.

Who would you compare the Wood to in the modern NBA (both ceiling and floor)?


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I don't know about ceiling or floor, but here's a few guys that I think if you could combine, Chris Wood could become (ceiling)

Theo Ratliff + Rasheed Wallace

75% Rik Smits + 25% Kevin Durant

Charlie Villanueva + Kevin Garnett

It's a hard one to pick one guy....he has an unusual skill set. I"d probably lean toward a guy like Rasheed Wallace....but I don't know.

If I had to pick a floor, maybe a guy like Channing Frye, but not as good of an outside shot? Maybe that's a bad floor...more of a lower ceiling. Lol.


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Post#110 » by rebelx » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:25 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:I'm still stoked for this kid, but that effort problem is totally going to keep him in Steve Clifford's doghouse if it surfaces here.


IMHO, his effort issue will be the only thing that will keep him from unlocking his potential. He has too much talent, too many intangibles, to fail unless mental/effort issues,get in the way.

My hope is that him going through a prep school full of playets with NBA aspirations, going thru college without having to work as hard as some do, then even after having the highest body fat% at the combine (and super skinny at that)...made him wake up a bit.....he worked his butt off for a few short months and got an NBA contract....it was too much validation, even after the draft night he had....the NBADL was the best thing for him. The Sixers did help him out a lot this offseason, and hrs where he's at.

I really like Wood....he's a good kid....yep, still a kid in my book....he just needs to understand the effort necessary to be where he wants to be....and keep growing, not being complacent because he's "made it"....the Sixers were good with keeping him humble...he got called up and cut a few times last year. Chris had to keep working hard and growing. My hope is he's learned a lot from it, and going forward we see more maturity, more effort....

I follow most UNLV players after they leave.....but I followed everything of Wood after he left. He's just such an intriguing prospect.....I want it bad for him.
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Post#111 » by Braggins » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:28 pm

Flip Murray wrote:This is 100% our rookie. I'd rather have him than anyone available at 22.

If we actually hit a home run with this dude...

I hope he can stay out of Cliff's doghouse and at least get some minutes.

Are you thinking what Im thinking? Hes basically the best draft pick in the history of the franchise.

Seriously though, I think the Hornets culture will be good for him. I think he can learn to be a pro here. I hope he does well enough to get some occasionally spot minutes and not spend the entire season with the swarm. I want him to spend plenty of time traveling and practicing with the team. I think that experience would be huge for him. He'll still need to spend his fair share of time with the Swarm to get reps, sure, but i hope it is a part time thing. We are actually bad enough up front that I could see us havng use for him. Hawes and Roy basically suck and we are one injury away from being super thin at PF also. I hope he wows the coaches at training camp and forces Cliff to at least give him some occasional playing time and go to him if there are injuries to any of our bigs.
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Post#112 » by Bassman » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:02 pm

Love the signing....it is exactly the type of pick-up we need to make with some regularity. Guys in your 14 & 15 slots need to be upside young players. If he makes our active roster he needs minutes. If he needs time, send him to d-league to continue development. Just don't let a high potential young talent rot on the bench.
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Post#113 » by chabber » Fri Jul 15, 2016 3:11 pm

Player comparison ceiling for me is young Robert Horry.

He'd need to develop his shot, intensity, and offensive/defensive awareness. That's a lot. Still, he looks better than Vonleh did, although I'm not sure that's saying much.
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Post#114 » by arthy704 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:17 pm

High upside please develop him


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Post#115 » by fatlever » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:59 pm

Our track record with developing raw athletic bigs is not exactly impressive. Ajinca, Biyombo and Vonleh, the 3 similar comparisons for young, raw, athletic bigs that we've drafted in the first round. Zeller, young and athletic, but not what I'd consider raw.

What kind of rights would we have for Wood at the end of this 2 years? RFA?
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Post#116 » by Braggins » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:08 pm

Good points Fats. Hopefully having a D-League team will help. Its also a good sign that he already has a decent base skillset to work with. Hopefully he isn't as hopeless as Vonleh when it comes to "getting it".
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Post#117 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:16 pm

fatlever wrote:What kind of rights would we have for Wood at the end of this 2 years? RFA?

Correct.
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Post#118 » by LofJ » Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:29 pm

Given the contract that was just handed to Biyombo I'd say he was developed fairly well. Ajinca never had a chance with Larry Brown at the helm. That leaves Cody (I don't count Mullens, no one as dumb as him could be developed) as the only other young big we've had for more than a year that we've devoted time and resources to developing. Defensively I'm more than pleased with him, offensively though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed. We drafted him as a stretch big and he's still not comfortable playing on the perimeter.

Thankfully, Wood doesn't have that problem at all. If he listens to Clifford and Ewing and puts the work in I have no doubt at all that we'll turn him into an excellent defender. At the very worst he'll be a plus defender that can stretch the floor and attack off the dribble. And Batum is pretty good at feeding bigs off the pick and roll so hopefully he'll pass some of that skill along to our other guys and Wood will develop there as well. Cody and Biz are some of the best screen setters in the league, so Wood is in good hands there. I'm optimistic about our ability to develop him.
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Post#119 » by fatlever » Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:51 pm

LofJ wrote:Given the contract that was just handed to Biyombo I'd say he was developed fairly well. Ajinca never had a chance with Larry Brown at the helm. That leaves Cody (I don't count Mullens, no one as dumb as him could be developed) as the only other young big we've had for more than a year that we've devoted time and resources to developing. Defensively I'm more than pleased with him, offensively though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed. We drafted him as a stretch big and he's still not comfortable playing on the perimeter.


Developing and then giving up too soon is not exactly something that should go in the plus column. That would be like us spending two years and working with Wood only to let him walk for peanuts after his contact, not matching a fair offer. Developing players is a two part process, developing and having patience to see results pay off long term. We have a 0% success rate so far in developing and seeing long term dividends from a raw athletic big man.
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Post#120 » by LofJ » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:10 pm

fatlever wrote:
LofJ wrote:Given the contract that was just handed to Biyombo I'd say he was developed fairly well. Ajinca never had a chance with Larry Brown at the helm. That leaves Cody (I don't count Mullens, no one as dumb as him could be developed) as the only other young big we've had for more than a year that we've devoted time and resources to developing. Defensively I'm more than pleased with him, offensively though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit disappointed. We drafted him as a stretch big and he's still not comfortable playing on the perimeter.


Developing and then giving up too soon is not exactly something that should go in the plus column. That would be like us spending two years and working with Wood only to let him walk for peanuts after his contact, not matching a fair offer. Developing players is a two part process, developing and having patience to see results pay off long term. We have a 0% success rate so far in developing and seeing long term dividends from a raw athletic big man.


Hopefully Clifford learned his lesson with Biyombo.

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