Sorry for this off season post but the Warriors and us..

[Speedlot]

We have mini kerr, mini Durant, and mini Curry.

Are we the mini Warriors?

Luke, Ingram, and Russel of course.

Again I apologize beforehand.

[EArl]

We are years away from even being poor mans warriors.

[KobeBryant24]

Im sure well be stealing some of kerrs plays for KD , so Ingram can use them

[Sofa King]

Just tell Walton he's mini-Kerr. Sure he'll love that. You should be sorry.

[Tee212]

russell is taller than curry and we dont have a barbosa and klay is larger than JC...sooo youre way off

[snaquille oatmeal]

russell is taller than curry and we dont have a barbosa and klay is larger than JC...sooo youre way off

Hey but we do have a mini M Gasol in our back pocket

[ak7]

Why are so many folks concerned with modeling after team that choked away a 3-1 lead in the finals? If we have a mini-curry I'm not quite happy because he was god awfully exposed in last season's playoffs.

[The Laker Kid]

Are we the mini Warriors?

no, we are the Lakers

[MAMBAEMD]

There is no question Luke will pattern his coaching after Kerr.
I guess that makes him a mini-Kerr.
Although Luke did coach the team to a spectacular start and for a big chunk of the season by his own self while Kerr was out.
So it's hard for me to label him as a mini-Kerr.

Clearly, our offensive system will be a mini-GSW system.

Personnel wise, we have Ingram who does look like a mini-Durant but is years away from being in the same level of production.
We also have Russell, who I guess can be looked at as a mini-Curry, but also years away.
I hope Randle turns into a mini-Draymond and adds that outside shot, which will make him harder to defend, and will open things up for our guards.

We also have JC. Now if he improved his range and becomes a consistent 3 point threat, he could be a mini-Klay ???

So systems-wise, I think we will be mini-GSW

Personnel wise, we got a ways to go....

[Landsberger]

Why is everyone so enamored with the Warriors? The stars aligned for them. Teams that score primarily from the outside historically don't do well in 7 games series and the Warriors had a great run of it but they bucked a 5 decade trend with a mix of very unique talent, some luck that teams in their way got injured and they stayed hot from the outside last year. This year they didn't. Curry is a unique talent.... there won't be another one and without him their "system" is a second round elimination.

Our talent mix is no where near what theirs is. Not in overall talent (obviously) nor in mental approach or depth. I hope we don't run their offensive sets with our group. Our guys talents are not aligned with that type of offensive system. You need a level of maturity to understand when to do what in that system. You need dead eye outside shooting which we don't have either.

This group seems to be pretty well made for a motion offense of some variety. Russell is not really a pass first point guard and while a lot see him being good in the P&R I'm not seeing it so far in his game or abilities. We have skilled front court players and a fairly "even" scoring potential from our group. I see 4 or 5 guys capable of 15 to 17 ppg but no one that can do 20 ppg. This type of talent matrix needs a system to take the pressure off the younger guys from being "the guy" and distribute the ball rather than park it in one guys hands 70% of the time. I think Russell can do very well in that situation and off the ball. Hopefully Luke will take from best of GS and Phil's very "old school" system and find something that can put our guys in situations to succeed.... something "new", not something borrowed.

[gts1]

more like "Warriors lite"

[Doormatt]

Why are so many folks concerned with modeling after team that choked away a 3-1 lead in the finals? If we have a mini-curry I'm not quite happy because he was god awfully exposed in last season's playoffs.

yeah, why would anyone want someone to play like the 2-time MVP, greatest shooter of all time, who just had one of the greatest seasons in history. How was he god awfully exposed? He literally brought the Warriors back down 3-1 against the Thunder which is the only reason they made it to the finals in the first place. He had a few bad finals games, but so has literally every great player in the history of the game. You wanna go back and look at some of Kobe's and Lebron's finals games? Let me know what you find. Seriously, do you read the **** that you post?

[ak7]

Why are so many folks concerned with modeling after team that choked away a 3-1 lead in the finals? If we have a mini-curry I'm not quite happy because he was god awfully exposed in last season's playoffs.

yeah, why would anyone want someone to play like the 2-time MVP, greatest shooter of all time, who just had one of the greatest seasons in history. How was he god awfully exposed? He literally brought the Warriors back down 3-1 against the Thunder which is the only reason they made it to the finals in the first place. He had a few bad finals games, but so has literally every great player in the history of the game. You wanna go back and look at some of Kobe's and Lebron's finals games? Let me know what you find. Seriously, do you read the **** that you post?

Slow your roll uneducated one.

Curry posted some of the lowest advanced defensive statistics of his career this post-season. He was abused by Westbrook on both ends. Offensively he had a **** WCF and Finals and could not handle the physicality brought by both teams in their respective series. His +/- was ****, His VORP was literally barely over average, his BPM the same, his shooting dropped, his defense was non-existent. Go hug it out on the Warriors forum, and fish for and-1's there. His GameScore in 6/7 finals games was average to piss-poor.

He was exposed defensively from the conference finals on. If you want to laugh at some DRtg numbers (and care about their value), look at Curry's from the finals. The statistics and SportsVu data don't lie. Stop being a hippy fishing for and-1's, saying the popular **** and actually read/decipher stats. You literally sound like you just regurgitate what you hear on ESPN. Don't waste my time and even respond to this, it's clear I can have the same talk on twitter with Chris Broussard.

[Doormatt]

Why are so many folks concerned with modeling after team that choked away a 3-1 lead in the finals? If we have a mini-curry I'm not quite happy because he was god awfully exposed in last season's playoffs.

yeah, why would anyone want someone to play like the 2-time MVP, greatest shooter of all time, who just had one of the greatest seasons in history. How was he god awfully exposed? He literally brought the Warriors back down 3-1 against the Thunder which is the only reason they made it to the finals in the first place. He had a few bad finals games, but so has literally every great player in the history of the game. You wanna go back and look at some of Kobe's and Lebron's finals games? Let me know what you find. Seriously, do you read the **** that you post?

Slow your roll uneducated one.

Curry posted some of the lowest advanced defensive statistics of his career this post-season. He was abused by Westbrook on both ends. Offensively he had a **** WCF and Finals and could not handle the physicality brought by both teams in their respective series. His +/- was ****, his shooting dropped, his defense was non-existent. Go hug it out on the Warriors forum, you're an idiot.

He was exposed defensively from the conference finals on. The statistics and SportsVu data don't lie. Stop being a hippy fishing for and-1's, saying the popular **** and actually read/decipher stats. You literally sound like you just regurgitate what you hear on ESPN. Don't waste my time and even respond to this, it's clear I can have the same talk on twitter with Chris Broussard.

Lmao what, how did he have a **** WCF offensively? have you looked at his stats?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2016-nba-western-conference-finals-thunder-vs-warriors.html

You talk like you know something about stats, but then mention regular +/- as if its indicative of anything other than small sample size and lineups. Also isn't SportsVu corporate? Regular people can't just buy accounts, you have to be associated with a team AFAIK. But yeah, lets just ignore the fact that Curry led the league in RAPM, and posted better advanced stats across the board than Kobe, who I'm sure you don't think is a scrub, ever did. What statistics are you even talking about that paint Curry as some mediocre player people shouldn't try to emulate? If you know anything about sample sizes, or statistics, then you'd know how ridiculous whatever argument you are making is. Btw if were just focusing on small sample sizes, Curry in those last 3 games vs. OKC posted: 33/8/7, 65% TS, 127 Orating. sounds like he got exposed huh?

Also how am i emulating ESPN? Last i saw they were literally destroying him for choking in the playoffs.

[gts1]

Why are so many folks concerned with modeling after team that choked away a 3-1 lead in the finals? If we have a mini-curry I'm not quite happy because he was god awfully exposed in last season's playoffs.

yeah, why would anyone want someone to play like the 2-time MVP, greatest shooter of all time, who just had one of the greatest seasons in history. How was he god awfully exposed? He literally brought the Warriors back down 3-1 against the Thunder which is the only reason they made it to the finals in the first place. He had a few bad finals games, but so has literally every great player in the history of the game. You wanna go back and look at some of Kobe's and Lebron's finals games? Let me know what you find. Seriously, do you read the **** that you post?

Slow your roll uneducated one.

Curry posted some of the lowest advanced defensive statistics of his career this post-season. He was abused by Westbrook on both ends. Offensively he had a **** WCF and Finals and could not handle the physicality brought by both teams in their respective series. His +/- was ****, His VORP was literally barely over average, his BPM the same, his shooting dropped, his defense was non-existent. Go hug it out on the Warriors forum, and fish for and-1's there. His GameScore in 6/7 finals games was average to piss-poor.

He was exposed defensively from the conference finals on. If you want to laugh at some DRtg numbers (and care about their value), look at Curry's from the finals. The statistics and SportsVu data don't lie. Stop being a hippy fishing for and-1's, saying the popular **** and actually read/decipher stats. You literally sound like you just regurgitate what you hear on ESPN. Don't waste my time and even respond to this, it's clear I can have the same talk on twitter with Chris Broussard.

This is all great but it comes off as you're trying too hard to discredit arguably the best player in the game today while you completely ignore that he injured his knee, missed several games and was clearly not himself when he did come back.

It's ok to not like Curry or his game but at least keep it real and take the whole picture into account


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[Doormatt]

Even if Curry wasn't injured, he still didn't play as poorly as ak7 seems to think. I don't understand the logic. Even if you concede the fact that Curry was as bad as he seems to think during this playoff run, he still **** on the Cavs last season outside of 1 bad game. So unless your star player is literally never allowed to have 1 bad game, then i really don't get it.

[Landsberger]

This won't be popular but my view of Curry's 2 MVP's are a lot like Nash's. Every GM in the League when polled said they would start a team with Kobe in those days. How many take Curry over LeBron today? I think he's a unique talent and a great shooter but his game is not as complete as some would say.

Injury is part of being a player. Can't qualify performance due to injury. DRose got injured when he was looking like he was going to have a fantastic run. Kobe played through shooting hand injuries to still lead teams to championships all while someone else won the MVP's.

To me the "Greatest Shooter" of all time was Kareem. When he did it, how he did it and the consistency he did it with over 20 years makes him the best shooter of all time to me. He shot well over 55% from 14 to 16 feet out with one or two guys hanging on him with a shot no one before or since can shoot. When Curry is dropping 3's at age 36 like he is today then he will deserve that title.

Don't get me wrong here, Curry is a great player but I've been following the game since 1970 and have seen a lot of players come and go. The "great ones" have staying power. Curry needs another 5 to 7 years at this level of play to be up there with the greats.

[Kilroy]

I can't find a point to this discussion... It's a super thin analogy at best...

And frankly we have enough posts debating how great Curry and the Warriors are on the Lakers forum right now...