A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3

ermocrate · Post #281 » by **ermocrate** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:48 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
ermocrate wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Still hoping it's just Griffin.. And if we deal Jaylen for Westbrook it's a mistake.

Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Which guy? Russ?

@dangercart

rob4748 · Post #282 » by **rob4748** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:48 pm

if anyone cares, Amir is in Santa Monica too..

AsijsLV · Post #283 » by **AsijsLV** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:50 pm

So, it is night where I live and I have to go to sleep. Hopefully this madness will end tonight and Griffin will be a Celtics player

BlackThatch · Post #284 » by **BlackThatch** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:53 pm

we LA Celtics now boys

ViperGTS · Post #285 » by **ViperGTS** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:56 pm

mademan wrote:
ermocrate wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Still hoping it's just Griffin.. And if we deal Jaylen for Westbrook it's a mistake.

Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

That's way to much. Danny isn't dumb enough to do that. There isn't a massive need to overpay for anyone.

Bar Fight · Post #286 » by **Bar Fight** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:59 pm

Still don't see this Griffin/Westbrook team winning a title. Hell, I probably would still pick Cleveland over them in the ECF. Not thrilled about this at all. Especially when all the teams who built through the draft pass us up in 6-7 years.

Post #287 » by **Froob** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:59 pm

BfB wrote:
WadeItOut wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:
Except that's not how it works, the Chris Paul trade was vetoed because at the time, the Hornets were collectively owned by all the other owners.

Except that is how it works. The league can stop trades from happening with or without ownership of a team. There was a bunch of talk over whether they would block a Kevin Love trade to the Cavs. The whole **** over the Paul thing was a question of a conflict of interest.

And the league doesn't really care about tampering in regards to early discussions with players who are about to become FAs right before the deadline, but they definitely do in regards to teams meeting in person with someone under contract with another team. Which is why this whole notion of them going to meet him is ridiculous lol. When have we ever heard of a team doing that?

The league cannot veto any trade executed with the parameters of the CBA - 100% false claim by you.

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They can now since the Brady vs the NFL case, CBAs are not enforced by a court of law

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mademan · Post #288 » by **mademan** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:59 pm

ViperGTS wrote:
mademan wrote:
ermocrate wrote:Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

That's way to much. Danny isn't dumb enough to do that. There isn't a massive need to overpay for anyone.

Like I said, i dont think Boston should give up everything and everybody. OTOH, i dont think OKC should be selling Westbrook for anything less than full freight. That means both BKN picks and Jaylen Brown (at minimum). I dont think Boston would do that, i dont think OKC should settle for any less (and probably ask for more)

Post #289 » by **Froob** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:02 pm

BlackThatch wrote:
dei1c3 wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:
Very well respected around the league as a cap and analytics guy.

Cool...thanks, guys.

He's the guy who created Draft Wheel as a new model for draft picks to avoid intentional tanking. In his model every team would have a set year for each pick so that every team gets every pick eventually. Takes out randomness

That was an absolutely horrific idea. Tanking is a symptom of the problem, it isn't the problem.

the sea duck · Post #290 » by **the sea duck** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:03 pm

mademan wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:
mademan wrote:
Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

That's way to much. Danny isn't dumb enough to do that. There isn't a massive need to overpay for anyone.

Like I said, i dont think Boston should give up everything and everybody. OTOH, i dont think OKC should be selling Westbrook for anything less than full freight. That means both BKN picks and Jaylen Brown (at minimum). I dont think Boston would do that, i dont think OKC should settle for any less (and probably ask for more)

If OKC wants full price, they better start the bidding war now. Otherwise the clock is ticking for them more so than for anyone else.

ermocrate · Post #291 » by **ermocrate** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:05 pm

mademan wrote:
ermocrate wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:Still hoping it's just Griffin.. And if we deal Jaylen for Westbrook it's a mistake.

Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

He has not to run the 100mt at the Olympics or play tennis at Wimbledon, nobody cares if he is top 5 in the NBA, one all star and two top 3 picks are too much for anybody right now in the NBA, there's not really a game changing talent, no Bird, no MJ, no Bill Russell, just a bunch of talented guys with no real leverage on the team as a whole, plus he is going to take off and say bye bye to OKC anyway next year...

ViperGTS · Post #292 » by **ViperGTS** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:05 pm

Froob wrote:
BlackThatch wrote:
dei1c3 wrote:Cool...thanks, guys.

He's the guy who created Draft Wheel as a new model for draft picks to avoid intentional tanking. In his model every team would have a set year for each pick so that every team gets every pick eventually. Takes out randomness

That was an absolutely horrific idea. Tanking is a symptom of the problem, it isn't the problem.

I agree. The current system is set up to favor certain teams. I almost believe that if Cs had the best odds at number one next year, they'd end up at 5 because that's what the league wants. They won't change that.

mademan · Post #293 » by **mademan** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:08 pm

ermocrate wrote:
mademan wrote:
ermocrate wrote:Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

He has not to run the 100mt at the Olympics or play tennis at Wimbledon, nobody cares if he is top 5 in the NBA, one all star and two top 3 picks are too much for anybody right now in the NBA, there's not really a game changing talent, no Bird, no MJ, no Bill Russell, just a bunch of talented guys with no real leverage on the team as a whole, plus he is going to take off and say bye bye to OKC anyway next year...

Jaylen Brown and the other pick are far from guaranteed to even be all-stars in this league, much less approach the level of Westbrook. This guy was probably the 3rd best player in the league last year and is still improving and my become the absolute best. You dont trade him for role players; OKC should be more than willing to take the risk of losing him if the best offers are headlined by Avery Bradley and the 2018 BKN pick

the sea duck · Post #294 » by **the sea duck** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:09 pm

Froob wrote:
BlackThatch wrote:
dei1c3 wrote:Cool...thanks, guys.

He's the guy who created Draft Wheel as a new model for draft picks to avoid intentional tanking. In his model every team would have a set year for each pick so that every team gets every pick eventually. Takes out randomness

That was an absolutely horrific idea. Tanking is a symptom of the problem, it isn't the problem.

I liked the wheel idea not only for eliminating tanking incentive, but also because it created known trading commodities. Right now when teams trade draft picks, it's like a lottery sometimes where it will fall. With the wheel, they would know exactly which pick they were trading.

Of course, this pays off sometimes in a way that I like (see Brooklyn picks owed to Boston). But overall the quality of trades probably improves if everyone knows with certainty what they are trading for.

The downside is supposed to be that sometimes good teams will get high draft picks, however this would not be any worse than Kevin Durant going to Golden State. If we're ok with that, I don't think we can complain about good teams adding a good rookie.

BlackThatch · Post #295 » by **BlackThatch** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:12 pm

the sea duck wrote:
Froob wrote:
BlackThatch wrote:He's the guy who created Draft Wheel as a new model for draft picks to avoid intentional tanking. In his model every team would have a set year for each pick so that every team gets every pick eventually. Takes out randomness

That was an absolutely horrific idea. Tanking is a symptom of the problem, it isn't the problem.

I liked the wheel idea not only for eliminating tanking incentive, but also because it created known trading commodities. Right now when teams trade draft picks, it's like a lottery sometimes where it will fall. With the wheel, they would know exactly which pick they were trading.

Of course, this pays off sometimes in a way that I like (see Brooklyn picks owed to Boston). But overall the quality of trades probably improves if everyone knows with certainty what they are trading for.

The downside is supposed to be that sometimes good teams will get high draft picks, however this would not be any worse than Kevin Durant going to Golden State. If we're ok with that, I don't think we can complain about good teams adding a good rookie.

Yeah but then good teams will be getting good before getting their top pick(s), meaning it's not unfair. It all goes to the merit of their work and organization.

Post #296 » by **Froob** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:15 pm

the sea duck wrote:
Froob wrote:
BlackThatch wrote:He's the guy who created Draft Wheel as a new model for draft picks to avoid intentional tanking. In his model every team would have a set year for each pick so that every team gets every pick eventually. Takes out randomness

That was an absolutely horrific idea. Tanking is a symptom of the problem, it isn't the problem.

I liked the wheel idea not only for eliminating tanking incentive, but also because it created known trading commodities. Right now when teams trade draft picks, it's like a lottery sometimes where it will fall. With the wheel, they would know exactly which pick they were trading.

Of course, this pays off sometimes in a way that I like (see Brooklyn picks owed to Boston). But overall the quality of trades probably improves if everyone knows with certainty what they are trading for.

The downside is supposed to be that sometimes good teams will get high draft picks, however this would not be any worse than Kevin Durant going to Golden State. If we're ok with that, I don't think we can complain about good teams adding a good rookie.

Yeah but the issue is it's hard to acquire talent and it's hard to compete because of super teams forming. How does eliminating tanking fix this?

ermocrate · Post #297 » by **ermocrate** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:16 pm

mademan wrote:
ermocrate wrote:
mademan wrote:
Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

He has not to run the 100mt at the Olympics or play tennis at Wimbledon, nobody cares if he is top 5 in the NBA, one all star and two top 3 picks are too much for anybody right now in the NBA, there's not really a game changing talent, no Bird, no MJ, no Bill Russell, just a bunch of talented guys with no real leverage on the team as a whole, plus he is going to take off and say bye bye to OKC anyway next year...

Jaylen Brown and the other pick are far from guaranteed to even be all-stars in this league, much less approach the level of Westbrook. This guy was probably the 3rd best player in the league last year and is still improving and my become the absolute best. You dont trade him for role players; OKC should be more than willing to take the risk of losing him if the best offers are headlined by Avery Bradley and the 2018 BKN pick

Best at what? Best egocentric player in the league? Nobody is giving more than young talented players and/or picks to OKC, nobody is giving them an all star and a top 3 pick, go figure if they will include 2... Plus Westbrook is not a resign guaranteed so you are paying a rental.

greenbeans · Post #298 » by **greenbeans** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:17 pm

ermocrate wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:
ermocrate wrote:Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Which guy? Russ?

@dangercart

This guy spent days whining about smitty and the attention he was garnering, now here he is. Funny.

ZeroTolerance · Post #299 » by **ZeroTolerance** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:19 pm

truth18 wrote:
RajonsGotARondo wrote:i like eggs

Never been a fan of straight up eggs. Enjoy many products with eggs in them though.

I just boiled up two eggs and put them in my potato salad.

But I later found out I was just plain sick of my own potato salad and i gave what was left on my plate to my dog.

It could be that I'm either sick of our ham and egers or else I'm sick of hearing all these crazy rumors that are flying about.

And it's like some of you all want to sell the farm just so you can buy that flashy new sports car.

I think that would be a stupid move and very out of character for Ainge to do that.

Therefore I call "bull" on all of these latest rumors.

It ain't happening unless Danny gets a good trade.

And the farm will still be there tomorrow. JMO

BannersOnly · Post #300 » by **BannersOnly** » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:20 pm

The longer OKC waits to trade Westbrook the less leverage they have and the less they will get. Period. Anyone who think OKC will keep Russ and end up losing Durant and Westbrook in back to back years while getting NOTHING in return is simply nuts. Not a fn chance. He's getting traded and it's a questio of when not if. Danny should play hardball and dangle the 18 Nets pick and scraps for now. No rush. Play OKC and Clips against each other so maybe one bites for a package we make off like bandits with.