Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

[DayofMourning]

Yeah, that was a terrible part of the deal and a bit of a set up in my opinion. We will be better anyhow. We're down but we'll be back.

I've got so much faith in our management to steer us back. We aren't too far away right now, and if not for Bosh's injury, we could have pushed Cleveland, and that would have meant another title chance. Missed opportunities, but always a chance.

I hope we have learned our lesson about keeping our cupboards bare. Beasley and all those picks. They could have been flipped for something. Likely something a lot better than they were worth initially.

[twix2500]

Hmmm... You may be right. Let me check if Wade is on the roster.

No. He's not. There are guys like Luke Babbitt and Derek Williams instead using Wade's money now. Tyler Johnson is going to make $18.5M the year that Wade wanted his 3rd year.

Wade wasn't supposed to stay. Pat should have owned up to it rather than be so cowardly.

Pat stated that Tyler Johnson was willing to take a different deal from the Heat but when the Heat talked to him, TJ said he could not go back on his word with Brooklyn. Pat went in depth and made himself look bad, so I do not see how you can say he is being cowardly.

Tyler's contract *now* doesn't enter into it. If we had the money for him in 3 years, then it was there for Wade too. All Wade wanted originally was a 3rd year. We could have given it to him, the same way that we are going to give it to Tyler in 3 years. We also had the choice of stretching McRoberts.

What I'm saying is cowardly is trying to frame this as some misunderstanding, inability to speak to Wade etc (when he hasn't actually even spoken to him yet - composing an email, oh really, give me a break!) It's a bitch move. If you are going to do something, just own it already. Don't be a wuss about it. It's disrespectful to everyone.

For whatever reason they made the decision that Wade was out. They made a tough choice. Maybe it was brinksmanship that went awry, but the circumstances don't matter. If he was in, he was in. He wasn't in anymore.

Basically you just do not believe him. And have your own idea how it went down regardless what Pat said.

[Seabass777]

Riley closing the coffin on the tank squad

Not really Riley is...

Its over, give it up.

No.

[gom]

Pat stated that Tyler Johnson was willing to take a different deal from the Heat but when the Heat talked to him, TJ said he could not go back on his word with Brooklyn. Pat went in depth and made himself look bad, so I do not see how you can say he is being cowardly.

Tyler's contract *now* doesn't enter into it. If we had the money for him in 3 years, then it was there for Wade too. All Wade wanted originally was a 3rd year. We could have given it to him, the same way that we are going to give it to Tyler in 3 years. We also had the choice of stretching McRoberts.

What I'm saying is cowardly is trying to frame this as some misunderstanding, inability to speak to Wade etc (when he hasn't actually even spoken to him yet - composing an email, oh really, give me a break!) It's a bitch move. If you are going to do something, just own it already. Don't be a wuss about it. It's disrespectful to everyone.

For whatever reason they made the decision that Wade was out. They made a tough choice. Maybe it was brinksmanship that went awry, but the circumstances don't matter. If he was in, he was in. He wasn't in anymore.

Basically you just do not believe him. And have your own idea how it went down regardless what Pat said.

That's not really a useful response. Can we argue about the points rather than make assumptions how we *feel*? For a while, I also bought the FO story, but I have reached my conclusion based on the other actions that we've taken.

1. Do you disagree that the money we just promised Tyler was approximately what Wade wanted? It's about the same.
2. Do you disagree that the money we spend on McRoberts (Riley brought up his name as an asset during the press conference - as a piece that helped build the team) could have been used to keep Wade now? Even if you can't trade him, he could have been stretched, but it would meant admitting that Riley erred. I think that's a factor (<- this is an opinion, not a fact, but it's the only one here.) Every thing else is a factual statement.

We had the money. We chose not to do it.

All I'm saying is that he should have owned the choice rather than saying it was phone tag or whatever lame excuse he is making. I should have paddled my canoe over to speak with him sounds really bizarre, especially when he STILL hasn't spoken with the man he worked with for THIRTEEN years. You are being very generous in my opinion, but that says more about you being a good person. I'm an old cynic. Sorry.

[MFlash321]

Hassan just posted a Snapchat Story of Winslow knocking down 3's. It seems as if his mechanics/release is much more smoother this year.

Obviously doesn't mean much till we see it in-game, but can definitely see the tweak(s) of his release.

[Mos_Heat]

So, Bosh won't come back, wright?

[gom]

So, Bosh won't come back, wright?

Yeah, that's another place where we got a long-winded non-answer, but you can see by his degree of evasion and body language that the team has made its choice. Bosh isn't likely to come back, but they have the problem of getting rid of him now. That amnesty clause is a big deal for us.

[MFlash321]

So, Bosh won't come back, wright?

Yeah, that's another place where we got a long-winded non-answer, but you can see by his degree of evasion and body language that the team has made its choice. Bosh isn't likely to come back, but they have the problem of getting rid of him now. That amnesty clause is a big deal for us.

You think Miami saves the amnesty (assuming it'll be in new CBA) for a potential use on Tyler Johnson in the later years of his contract and they could stretch provision Bosh?

Or vise versa?

[gom]

So, Bosh won't come back, wright?

Yeah, that's another place where we got a long-winded non-answer, but you can see by his degree of evasion and body language that the team has made its choice. Bosh isn't likely to come back, but they have the problem of getting rid of him now. That amnesty clause is a big deal for us.

You think Miami saves the amnesty (assuming it'll be in new CBA) for a potential use on Tyler Johnson in the later years of his contract and they could stretch provision Bosh?

Or vise versa?

We'll use it to write off Bosh's 85M remaining balance. TJ's contract isn't very good, but it's not "amnesty clause" bad (at all).

[DayofMourning]

The clots and the loss of Wade is the writing on the wall for Bosh. He's an all time fave of mine. Great guy, great personality, and majorly underappreciated. We've got a new direction now, and the amount of mystery that Bosh would represent moving forward isn't something you can bank on.

[Mos_Heat]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/754367845287469056[/tweet]
Yeah, it's over for Chris. You can't have a max guy, who's playing 50% of the season with limited minutes

[MFlash321]

After hearing Pat speak today, do you guys think he regrets letting Wade go or he's just spinning this into a PR thing to make it seem like he feels bad?

I do believe that both parties wish they could go back and make it work, but I don't think Pat would've done that 3rd year (or moved another piece in addition to McRoberts to compensate Wade's $, as reports stated).

You can see the regret in his words, but I'm not sure if you can just read past it. He even mentioned how he's wanted to bring another star to help Wade out since LeBron's departure.

[DayofMourning]

After hearing Pat speak today, do you guys think he regrets letting Wade go or he's just spinning this into a PR thing to make it seem like he feels bad?

I do believe that both parties wish they could go back and make it work, but I don't think Pat would've done that 3rd year (or moved another piece in addition to McRoberts to compensate Wade's $, as reports stated).

You can see the regret in his words, but I'm not sure if you can just read past it. He even mentioned how he's wanted to bring another star to help Wade out since LeBron's departure.

The NBA is as political as anything else. Riley excels at diplomacy, and I'd say that is exactly what he was doing today. Bosh going down really, really hurt us. If we could have gotten Durant, then things would have taken a different turn, and I bet that Wade would still be here. Having so much uncertainty with Bosh and not getting Durant made the whole plan change. He fluffed Wade enough today, and made himself the scapegoat, like it was a missed opportunity. I think he was ready to move on for the Heat.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/754367845287469056[/tweet]
I would love Bosh off the bench in a limited role to work him slowly. Even if it's just backup Center minutes and no long trips or back to backs on the road. I'll take it

This is the worst-case scenario imo. I either want a max contract top 10 bigman in Bosh or I want his cap space next offseason

[eddieheatfan]

After hearing Pat speak today, do you guys think he regrets letting Wade go or he's just spinning this into a PR thing to make it seem like he feels bad?

I do believe that both parties wish they could go back and make it work, but I don't think Pat would've done that 3rd year (or moved another piece in addition to McRoberts to compensate Wade's $, as reports stated).

You can see the regret in his words, but I'm not sure if you can just read past it. He even mentioned how he's wanted to bring another star to help Wade out since LeBron's departure.

to me the canoe to the Mediterranean thing was just an act also served as a type of example to say or instate or inferring why wade didnt join him to recruit durant like he did with lebron and bosh.also because his argument is weak because we have technology in which a player does not need to be physically present on a meeting since we have things like skype and video teleconferencing.maybe just maybe he now thinks that the could have handled the whole thing better but what is done is done.so yeah its a PR thing more than anything else.also notice that he blamed the big 3 for the heat not being able to surround them with talent after ray allen and shame battier were gone. and i think that he is right,the whole thing was ill fated because of all the big money that the owner had to pay just to 3 players

[eddieheatfan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status/754367845287469056[/tweet]
I would love Bosh off the bench in a limited role to work him slowly. Even if it's just backup Center minutes and no long trips or back to backs on the road. I'll take it

This is the worst-case scenario imo. I either want a max contract top 10 bigman in Bosh or I want his cap space next offseason

seems like he is gone and this could be a pretty stormy season for the heat.i just hope that if it comes to that that bosh would agree to be sent to another nba team

[JWG324]

Hmmm... You may be right. Let me check if Wade is on the roster.

No. He's not. There are guys like Luke Babbitt and Derek Williams instead using Wade's money now. Tyler Johnson is going to make $18.5M the year that Wade wanted his 3rd year.

Wade wasn't supposed to stay. Pat should have owned up to it rather than be so cowardly.

Pat stated that Tyler Johnson was willing to take a different deal from the Heat but when the Heat talked to him, TJ said he could not go back on his word with Brooklyn. Pat went in depth and made himself look bad, so I do not see how you can say he is being cowardly.

Tyler's contract *now* doesn't enter into it. If we had the money for him in 3 years, then it was there for Wade too. All Wade wanted originally was a 3rd year. We could have given it to him, the same way that we are going to give it to Tyler in 3 years. We also had the choice of stretching McRoberts.

What I'm saying is cowardly is trying to frame this as some misunderstanding, inability to speak to Wade etc (when he hasn't actually even spoken to him yet - composing an email, oh really, give me a break!) It's a bitch move. If you are going to do something, just own it already. Don't be a wuss about it. It's disrespectful to everyone.

For whatever reason they made the decision that Wade was out. They made a tough choice. Maybe it was brinksmanship that went awry, but the circumstances don't matter. If he was in, he was in. He wasn't in anymore.

The 3rd year in Wade supposed contract is negligible. Opting out of the final year has become the norm in the NBA for quite some time now. The problem Riley was faced with was the second year in Wade's contract. It's apparent Riley wants as much cap flexibility as possible and that was a huge factor in not giving Wade that third year. Whether that was the correct decision is another debate. IMO i give Wade that 3rd year and ensure he stays.

Also, Wade's third year would be about 5 million dollars more than Tyler, so they aren't very close. Plus, i truly believed TJ was signed to use him as a piece in a possible trade in the future. I doubt he stays the full 4 years here tbh.

I believe the decision to not stretch Mcroberts was made because he will be an expiring contract and will be a lot easier to trade. We may even be able to get some value, such as a 2nd round pick, if he performs adequately.

Riley had a **** load of hard decisions to make this summer and i really do believe him when he says he regrets how he handled the Wade situation. I said before, if Riley would have offered him 40 mil for 2 years in the beginning of the process and convinced him why this was the best idea for him and the team, he takes the deal. Talking to Wade through his agent was disrespectful and that was his biggest regret.

[RexBoyWonder]

Hassan just posted a Snapchat Story of Winslow knocking down 3's. It seems as if his mechanics/release is much more smoother this year.

Obviously doesn't mean much till we see it in-game, but can definitely see the tweak(s) of his release.

Anyway us non-snapers can see it?

[Shewasfly]

So now even when Pat says something out of his own mouth ya'll still don't believe him in order to play into the Pat Riley mystique??

Come on people. This was not some ingenious undercover plan that was ultimately successful, Pat just messed up with the Wade negotiations. This isn't the first time he's messed up. This isn't even the first time recently. If he planned to let Wade go all along he would have played the game all the way through and he'd have been in that last meeting with Micky. He simply thought there was no way Wade would lead and underestimated Wade's willingness to not put up with what he perceived to be BS anymore.

[Mos_Heat]

The 3rd year in Wade supposed contract is negligible. Opting out of the final year has become the norm in the NBA for quite some time now. The problem Riley was faced with was the second year in Wade's contract. It's apparent Riley wants as much cap flexibility as possible and that was a huge factor in not giving Wade that third year. Whether that was the correct decision is another debate. IMO i give Wade that 3rd year and ensure he stays.

Also, Wade's third year would be about 5 million dollars more than Tyler, so they aren't very close. Plus, i truly believed TJ was signed to use him as a piece in a possible trade in the future. I doubt he stays the full 4 years here tbh.

I believe the decision to not stretch Mcroberts was made because he will be an expiring contract and will be a lot easier to trade. We may even be able to get some value, such as a 2nd round pick, if he performs adequately.

Riley had a **** load of hard decisions to make this summer and i really do believe him when he says he regrets how he handled the Wade situation. I said before, if Riley would have offered him 40 mil for 2 years in the beginning of the process and convinced him why this was the best idea for him and the team, he takes the deal. Talking to Wade through his agent was disrespectful and that was his biggest regret.

McBob has a player option, so if he would suck again, than it's a 6 mil dead body in your cap. No one will take a guy, who doesn't play bball for 3 straight seasons