A lot of Celtics Trash rumors part 3

[Fab Jesus Melo]

Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Which guy? Russ?

@dangercart

DangerCart is an idiot. He has no idea how to judge player value in trades or the draft. He only knows about the salary cap and I wouldn't listen to anything else he says. I don't imagine Russell Westbrook would cost more than salary filler, 2017 Nets, and Marcus Smart or Jaylen Brown. Future picks too possibly. I don't think there's a team in the league that can offer more assets for him.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Still hoping it's just Griffin.. And if we deal Jaylen for Westbrook it's a mistake.

Jaylen, Thomas and BKN pick, the guy is nuts...

Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

You get that he's going to be a FA next year, right?

Jaylen, Isiah, BKN '18 = minimum? Nope.

[BlackThatch]

Am I the only one freaking out with every passing minute

[winsomme2]

I'm still waiting for something rock solid that Ainge, Zarren and Stevens went to LA. I have heard it from multiple people now though, which leads me to believe that it did/is happen(ing).

If they are in LA, I would assume it is something related to Griffin or Westbrook, but it could be something entirely different.

It is more likely than not the team has gotten permission to talk to both Westbrook and Griffin regarding the respective contract related issues they have with each, (ie the purpose of Steve B's past two articles - drawing lines in the sand in public).

If so, both parties have at least agreed to a deal in principle, thus putting it on the players to sign off on the contract requirements.

By negotiating with both parties independently and then spinning the publicity into an either or scenario, they've been able to cause enough confusion to muddle things enough to keep things stable.

Now, they are most likely going to meet with both and essentially pitch them on joining forces on an Eastern power that can contend with the Warriors.

The gambit is that the likelihood of each agreeing to favorable contract terms - option for Griffin only costs 800K after kicker, Westbrook takes a haircut on a 1 year extension with more upfront this year. The chances of this increase when you are pitching them collectively.

Ainge sells the vision, Stevens sells the tactics, Zarren sells the financials - if they buy in both trades will happen almost simultaneously.

**** brilliant...


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But what are the reasons that Griffin and Westbrook would agree to pick up options that are well below their market value and prevent them from signing these huge extensions they are eligible for...?

[rickrolled]

How about Melo ?

BOS gets: Melo

NYK gets: Johnson, Jerebko, Young, Holland

[jordb2k7]

Stonewall says he's calling into 98.5 is anyone able to confirm and post what he says

[BlackThatch]

Stonewall says he's calling into 98.5 is anyone able to confirm and post what he says

I'm listening online

[ermocrate]

Thats absolutely the minimum asking price for Russ. Dude is a top 5 player in this league and could very easily be the best player in the league next season (so can 3 or other 4 players). I dont think Boston should trade a bunch for him, but I also dont think OKC should ever ever sell him cheap. That guy is wayyy too good.

He has not to run the 100mt at the Olympics or play tennis at Wimbledon, nobody cares if he is top 5 in the NBA, one all star and two top 3 picks are too much for anybody right now in the NBA, there's not really a game changing talent, no Bird, no MJ, no Bill Russell, just a bunch of talented guys with no real leverage on the team as a whole, plus he is going to take off and say bye bye to OKC anyway next year...

I'm sorry; this isn't Wadeitout bad but what are you talking about? What does Olympics or Wimbeldon have to do with this? If you don't think it matters that Westbrook is a top 5 player then I'm not sure what to tell you; did you mean you don't think he is? Cause that's a better debate, maybe he is maybe he's not, but we agree he'd be the Celtics' best player today, don't we?

Which leads me to my next point; too much for Westbrook? Perhaps, but I agree with mademan; OKC may as well sell high for Westbrook if they'll sell him at all. He IS way too good; saying he's not MJ doesn't change that.

Now, a Westbrook/Griffin led team not good enough to beat the Cavs? Hmm...I dunno. I agree we don't want to blow the farm to make it happen, but I'd like it better than our current team.


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He is not playing a sport alone, he need a team, in a team game you are not searching the best singular athletes but the best player in a team environment, he would be the best player on the Celtics for sure and that would only make us the hot mess of losers OKC was, give they key of a team to Westbrook is like give they key of a pastry shop to a fat man, you dismantle the team and you form an entire new team where Westbrook is the leader, recipe for disaster. Sure OKC is willing to sell Westbrook high but nobody is going to bite, they should have done that before KD free agency, now everybody knows he is going to leave OKC and nobody is sure he will renew an eventual contract, there's no way in hell someone is gonna pay a rental with two top three picks and an all star that makes a quarter of other all stars. He is not MJ talent wise but more importantly is not MJ regarding the influence on the team, he is not a franchise player, so he is no Jea Crowder either in this regard. Griffin/Westbrook/Hoford can beat the Cavs but Thomas/Griffin/Horford can either so there's not really any point in make the team shorter and with less flexibility while risking 2 star players free agency.

[jordb2k7]

Stonewall says he's calling into 98.5 is anyone able to confirm and post what he says

I'm listening online

I'm interested to hear what he said lol

[Bohemian]

Stonewall says he's calling into 98.5 is anyone able to confirm and post what he says

I'm listening online

Is it here? : http://player.radio.com/listen/station/985-the-sports-hub

[BlackThatch]

http://thesportshub.radio.net/

I think I missed it..... or logged in the moment he was finishing up and I didn't quite catch what he said. :/ Seems they just finished with the program

[ZeroTolerance]

Everyone should now be hammered by the end of the night.

Seems like many here started playing this game without you!

[truth18]

Stonewall says he's calling into 98.5 is anyone able to confirm and post what he says

Lmao. Dude is milking this five minutes of fame.

[Crownontherocks]

He called to late. They didnt get to him i believe

[BlackThatch]

**** me, yeah I heard him say "That was Mike Stonewall, we'll be right back after commercials"

ffs

[Bohemian]

http://thesportshub.radio.net/

I think I missed it..... or logged in the moment he was finishing up and I didn't quite catch what he said. :/ Seems they just finished with the program

[tweet]https://twitter.com/StonewallSieve/status/754436400322260992[/tweet]

[BlackThatch]

http://thesportshub.radio.net/

I think I missed it..... or logged in the moment he was finishing up and I didn't quite catch what he said. :/ Seems they just finished with the program

[tweet]https://twitter.com/StonewallSieve/status/754436400322260992[/tweet]

Ok I'm confused. I know he said "Mike Stonewall" just as I logged on lol

Ah well, not like he would have said much more than what we saw on Twitter

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm still waiting for something rock solid that Ainge, Zarren and Stevens went to LA. I have heard it from multiple people now though, which leads me to believe that it did/is happen(ing).

If they are in LA, I would assume it is something related to Griffin or Westbrook, but it could be something entirely different.

It is more likely than not the team has gotten permission to talk to both Westbrook and Griffin regarding the respective contract related issues they have with each, (ie the purpose of Steve B's past two articles - drawing lines in the sand in public).

If so, both parties have at least agreed to a deal in principle, thus putting it on the players to sign off on the contract requirements.

By negotiating with both parties independently and then spinning the publicity into an either or scenario, they've been able to cause enough confusion to muddle things enough to keep things stable.

Now, they are most likely going to meet with both and essentially pitch them on joining forces on an Eastern power that can contend with the Warriors.

The gambit is that the likelihood of each agreeing to favorable contract terms - option for Griffin only costs 800K after kicker, Westbrook takes a haircut on a 1 year extension with more upfront this year. The chances of this increase when you are pitching them collectively.

Ainge sells the vision, Stevens sells the tactics, Zarren sells the financials - if they buy in both trades will happen almost simultaneously.

**** brilliant...


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But what are the reasons that Griffin and Westbrook would agree to pick up options that are well below their market value and prevent them from signing these huge extensions they are eligible for...?

I have the same question. Totally not in their interests, which surely alters our offers significantly.

[rob4748]

anyone able to watch CSSNE now? Ian Thomsen is going to talk about the rumors.

[Green89]

Am I the only one freaking out with every passing minute