Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread

[BFRESH44]

I think you want to see it one way, because you're passionate about Wade, and that's perfectly fine.


But it's highly likely it's the other way.

There was a clear disconnect between the two, that much is certain. But there were no ulterior motives here. If Dwyane Wade were 28, in his prime, with no questionable durability, he would've got whatever he wanted.

But that's not the case.

Say what you want about Riley, but he's been rather consistent when it comes to this age and attrition thing. And Wade, despite his place in the franchises' history, wasn't going to be an exception.


In the summer of 2003, when Zo was looking for one more payday, Riley refused to sign off on that. Offered him 11 million flat for one year. Take it or leave it. Off to New Jersey he went.

When Shaq stopped being an asset at 20 million per going into his latter years, he got dumped to Pheonix.

When Wade wanted his money, at 34, on his terms, and his terms only....we saw what happened this summer.

And please believe, these shrewd tactics will carry on to Bosh, if Bosh elects to be delusional about the riskiness in regards to his condition going forward.


Riley has been consistent with this process. And he's come out clean on the other side....every time.

[Hallstar]

I think you want to see it one way, because you're passionate about Wade, and that's perfectly fine.


But it's highly likely it's the other way.

There was a clear disconnect between the two, that much is certain. But there were no ulterior motvies here. If Dwyane Wade were 28, in his prime, with no questionable durability, he would've got whatever he wanted.

But that's not the case.

Say what you want about Riley, but he's been rather consistent when it comes to this age and attrition thing. And Wade, despite his place in the franchises' history, wasn't going to be an exception.


In the summer of 2003, when Zo was looking for one more payday, Riley refused to sign off on that. Offered him 11 million flat for one year. Take it or leave it. Off to New Jersey he went.

When Shaq stopped being an asset at 20 million per going into his latter years, he got dumped to Pheonix.

When Wade wanted his money, at 34, on his terms, and his terms only....we saw what happened this summer.

And please believe, these shrewd tactics will carry on to Bosh, if Bosh elects to be delusional about the riskiness in regards to his condition going forward.


Riley has been consistent with this process. And he's come out clean on the other side....every time.

Only reason it came out clean going back to Zo is we got lucky with Wade. If we drafted Chris Kaman like he wanted who knows where the hell we would be?

Luck can run out.

[BFRESH44]

I think you want to see it one way, because you're passionate about Wade, and that's perfectly fine.


But it's highly likely it's the other way.

There was a clear disconnect between the two, that much is certain. But there were no ulterior motvies here. If Dwyane Wade were 28, in his prime, with no questionable durability, he would've got whatever he wanted.

But that's not the case.

Say what you want about Riley, but he's been rather consistent when it comes to this age and attrition thing. And Wade, despite his place in the franchises' history, wasn't going to be an exception.


In the summer of 2003, when Zo was looking for one more payday, Riley refused to sign off on that. Offered him 11 million flat for one year. Take it or leave it. Off to New Jersey he went.

When Shaq stopped being an asset at 20 million per going into his latter years, he got dumped to Pheonix.

When Wade wanted his money, at 34, on his terms, and his terms only....we saw what happened this summer.

And please believe, these shrewd tactics will carry on to Bosh, if Bosh elects to be delusional about the riskiness in regards to his condition going forward.


Riley has been consistent with this process. And he's come out clean on the other side....every time.

Only reason it came out clean going back to Zo is we got lucky with Wade. If we drafted Chris Kaman like he wanted who knows where the hell we would be?

Luck can run out.

But Riley didn't draft Kaman, though. He drafted Wade. So that point is moot.

The end result is the bottom line. And unsubstantiated rumors are exactly that.

Just like the many rumors and reports that Riley was very skeptical on Michael Beasley's character, and was looking to to find a way, anyway out of drafting him, or that it was ultimately Randy Pfund who pushed him to draft Beasley....

Riley drafted Beasley. He takes that hit, as Bealsey never panned out. Hey, no one bats 1.000.

And sure, "luck" can run out. But his "luck" certainly doesn't appear to be running out, as he's unearthed an in prime, top 5 center from the d'league, found another combo guard who can defend and shoot from the same place, and drafted arguably the two best young wing defenders in the draft last year.


He seems to still know what he's doing. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt, after 21 years, with a proven track record behind it . Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I still very much like the direction the team is going. All things considered. But that's just me.

[Shewasfly]

I think you want to see it one way, because you're passionate about Wade, and that's perfectly fine.


But it's highly likely it's the other way.

There was a clear disconnect between the two, that much is certain. But there were no ulterior motvies here. If Dwyane Wade were 28, in his prime, with no questionable durability, he would've got whatever he wanted.

But that's not the case.

Say what you want about Riley, but he's been rather consistent when it comes to this age and attrition thing. And Wade, despite his place in the franchises' history, wasn't going to be an exception.


In the summer of 2003, when Zo was looking for one more payday, Riley refused to sign off on that. Offered him 11 million flat for one year. Take it or leave it. Off to New Jersey he went.

When Shaq stopped being an asset at 20 million per going into his latter years, he got dumped to Pheonix.

When Wade wanted his money, at 34, on his terms, and his terms only....we saw what happened this summer.

And please believe, these shrewd tactics will carry on to Bosh, if Bosh elects to be delusional about the riskiness in regards to his condition going forward.


Riley has been consistent with this process. And he's come out clean on the other side....every time.

So then you take the Riley is a snake option. That is fair.

And before you say no thats not what I'm saying, it basically is. No, you would not use the word's I'm using (after all your purpose is to defend Riley). You'd probably say "he's a shrewd business man" instead of a snake and that's fine, word it however you want. But to me, when it comes to a person suddenly being about business and no longer about family the minute its convenient for them, I'd call that a snake 10 times out of 10. Especially when you've decided to be about business and not about family with the person who has brought you success that would have been completely unachievable without them.

So again, for me, I'm going with the thought that Riley's incompetence cost us seeing Wade retire in one jersey, not his own complete lack of loyalty.

[3ballbomber]

Lebron James got his full revenge.

Got back at Pat Riley

Got back at Wade and Jedi mind tricked him to leave his franchise too


From - "One of all Time GOAT franchise players on same level as anyone in NBA, it's the big 3, we all equal, loyal to one franchise"
To - "Wade pippen, the Miami Cavaliers are beneath James, and Wade team hops"

Lebron is the happiest he's ever been

#Jerkoff

This was Wade and Lebron 2 weeks ago.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xrzLxsNKw[/youtube]

i just can't watch that nonsense

[BFRESH44]

So then you take the Riley is a snake option. That is fair

You can feel how you want to feel on it. But the sobering reality is when you're dealing with a salary capped sport,It's always going to be about business.

Got nothing to do with being a "snake" lol.

And the funny thing is, after all the dust settled, even Wade, had the proper perspective to offer on the entire situation during his camp.

"It's going to be a lot of stuff said about me and Pat. First of all, I love Pat. He has a job to do. He has a different hat to wear," Wade told reporters at his youth basketball camp in downtown Miami. "That hat sometimes is not to be my best friend. That hat is to be the president of the organization and to be a businessman, and that sucks

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16921990/dwyane-wade-discusses-relationship-pat-riley-basketball-camp

[I_Never Lied]

So then you take the Riley is a snake option. That is fair

You can feel how you want to feel on it. But the sobering reality is when you're dealing with a salary capped sport,It's always going to be about business.

Got nothing to do with being a "snake" lol.

And the funny thing is, after all the dust settled, even Wade, had the proper perspective to offer on the entire situation during his camp.

"It's going to be a lot of stuff said about me and Pat. First of all, I love Pat. He has a job to do. He has a different hat to wear," Wade told reporters at his youth basketball camp in downtown Miami. "That hat sometimes is not to be my best friend. That hat is to be the president of the organization and to be a businessman, and that sucks

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16921990/dwyane-wade-discusses-relationship-pat-riley-basketball-camp

You're perspective is completely off. Wade is more than a basketball player. He does more for the Franchise than just play basketball. He's the face. He's the locker room leader. He mentors other players so that they become better players. You can't measure his value with stats.

In all honesty giving 100 million to Whiteside has hamstrung the franchise more than giving 50 million to Wade.

[Shewasfly]

So then you take the Riley is a snake option. That is fair

You can feel how you want to feel on it. But the sobering reality is when you're dealing with a salary capped sport,It's always going to be about business.

Got nothing to do with being a "snake" lol.

And the funny thing is, after all the dust settled, even Wade, had the proper perspective to offer on the entire situation during his camp.

"It's going to be a lot of stuff said about me and Pat. First of all, I love Pat. He has a job to do. He has a different hat to wear," Wade told reporters at his youth basketball camp in downtown Miami. "That hat sometimes is not to be my best friend. That hat is to be the president of the organization and to be a businessman, and that sucks

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16921990/dwyane-wade-discusses-relationship-pat-riley-basketball-camp

Why wouldn't he? Wade is all class. Or are we to assume that just because Wade didn't get up and publicly crap on Riley that he feels good about the way that Pat handled him?

And I'm okay with you continuing to search and focus in on whatever quotes you need to to make Riley "come out clean" in all this, but I'd appreciate if you're going to quote me you don't deliberately take my name out of the quotes so that I can't see that you've quoted me. Thx

[QUIZ]

So then you take the Riley is a snake option. That is fair

You can feel how you want to feel on it. But the sobering reality is when you're dealing with a salary capped sport,It's always going to be about business.

Got nothing to do with being a "snake" lol.

And the funny thing is, after all the dust settled, even Wade, had the proper perspective to offer on the entire situation during his camp.

"It's going to be a lot of stuff said about me and Pat. First of all, I love Pat. He has a job to do. He has a different hat to wear," Wade told reporters at his youth basketball camp in downtown Miami. "That hat sometimes is not to be my best friend. That hat is to be the president of the organization and to be a businessman, and that sucks

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16921990/dwyane-wade-discusses-relationship-pat-riley-basketball-camp

You're perspective is completely off. Wade is more than a basketball player. He does more for the Franchise than just play basketball. He's the face. He's the locker room leader. He mentors other players so that they become better players. You can't measure his value with stats.

In all honesty giving 100 million to Whiteside has hamstrung the franchise more than giving 50 million to Wade.

That really isn't true. Hassan is an asset kinda like buying a house, in a few year's he'll probably be worth more than he is now on the open market which makes him a worthy investment as opposed to losing him for nothing.

Wade on the other hand is like a used exotic car like an Aston Martin. Still sexy, has great name recognition, but questionable reliability, expensive to maintain, and its value is only going to get worse.

With that said all of this really went down the way it did because Bosh got sick. If he didn't we'd have flexibility, options, his contract would be moveable and still hold some value... Alas we both just got unlucky.


Edit: Apologies for the crappy analogies by the way. It's the offseason, I'm not in peak form right now.

[SweetTouch]

LebatArd told it like it is today

Lol at Riley caring about Miami fans

He cares about our wallet

[Shewasfly]

LebatArd told it like it is today

Lol at Riley caring about Miami fans

He cares about our wallet

Our?

What did LeBatard say?

[Hallstar]

LebatArd told it like it is today

Lol at Riley caring about Miami fans

He cares about our wallet

What did he say?

We've been spending money wild for a while now...except on Wade.

[Bottomsouth]

LebatArd told it like it is today

Lol at Riley caring about Miami fans

He cares about our wallet

Our?

What did LeBatard say?

He basically said it was the plan to get push Wade out for the plan to get Westbrook. He further discusses that Pat said a bunch of bs to hold face in front of the media and didn't want to throw salt in the wound. He then discusses how fans don't want to hear the truth. Then the discussion turns into how it relates to a divorce.

[I_Never Lied]

You can feel how you want to feel on it. But the sobering reality is when you're dealing with a salary capped sport,It's always going to be about business.

Got nothing to do with being a "snake" lol.

And the funny thing is, after all the dust settled, even Wade, had the proper perspective to offer on the entire situation during his camp.




http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16921990/dwyane-wade-discusses-relationship-pat-riley-basketball-camp

You're perspective is completely off. Wade is more than a basketball player. He does more for the Franchise than just play basketball. He's the face. He's the locker room leader. He mentors other players so that they become better players. You can't measure his value with stats.

In all honesty giving 100 million to Whiteside has hamstrung the franchise more than giving 50 million to Wade.

That really isn't true. Hassan is an asset kinda like buying a house, in a few year's he'll probably be worth more than he is now on the open market which makes him a worthy investment as opposed to losing him for nothing.

Wade on the other hand is like a used exotic car like an Aston Martin. Still sexy, has great name recognition, but questionable reliability, expensive to maintain, and its value is only going to get worse.

With that said all of this really went down the way it did because Bosh got sick. If he didn't we'd have flexibility, options, his contract would be moveable and still hold some value... Alas we both just got unlucky.


Edit: Apologies for the crappy analogies by the way. It's the offseason, I'm not in peak form right now.

I know people who pay $2,500 a month for a small 1 bedroom apartment. Its still tiny, cramped and crappy. Hassan is not going to provide 25 Million dollars worth of winning. I still remember when Bosh said before game 5 in the 2014 finals "We're absolutely going to win" and then came out and got thoroughly out played by a 38 year old. We're maxing guys out who don't have the talent to win a game when it counts.

[Shewasfly]

LebatArd told it like it is today

Lol at Riley caring about Miami fans

He cares about our wallet

Our?

What did LeBatard say?

He basically said it was the plan to get push Wade out for the plan to get Westbrook. He further discusses that Pat said a bunch of bs to hold face in front of the media and didn't want to throw salt in the wound. He then discusses how fans don't want to hear the truth. Then the discussion turns into how it relates to a divorce.

Thanks for the recap.

It seems more and more like people are taking this interpretation. Maybe its true. Maybe Riley did have intentions to push him out. In that case, I'm sorry but I don't see how anyone can call him anything but a snake. That's dirty.

But if it was his plan its a bad one regardless. Westbrook on this team does nothing. To add someone of value that would compliment him would be Paul George and he won't be available for another 3 years, when Wade's contract was going to be done anyway. Why take such a huge reputation hit when not necessary? Plus Westbrook may wind up never even becoming available. Straight up senile.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

A lot of people think it is easy to play GM. You have a twenty-seven year old center who was offered a max contract from two teams. You have a 34 year old shooting guard that is in decline. Who is your priority? You had a top 5 superstar on the market that has granted you a meeting. Do you not take that shot? In the end, they offered Wade the most they could offer operating as a capped team. They gave Wade a fair offer. Has any one wondered why Wade dd not help recruit Durant? Wade is great, but this ain't 2009, and he needs help to win the title. As I said, it's a shame that Riley and Wade could not share a vision.

The Spurs were successful because of the shared vision of their best players and management.

[HeatFanDan]

A lot of people think it is easy to play GM. You have a twenty-seven year old center who was offered a max contract from two teams. You have a 34 year old shooting guard that is in decline. Who is your priority? You had a top 5 superstar on the market that has granted you a meeting. Do you not take that shot? In the end, they offered Wade the most they could offer operating as a capped team. They gave Wade a fair offer. Has any one wondered why Wade dd not help recruit Durant? Wade is great, but this ain't 2009, and he needs help to win the title. As I said, it's a shame that Riley and Wade could not share a vision.

The Spurs were successful because of the shared vision of their best players and management.

Nice post. I still say that Arison and Riley were fed up with Wade's bromance with LeBron, and that factored into their decision to let him walk. No more "smiling faces with hidden agendas".

[Prince Ali]

He basically said it was the plan to get push Wade out for the plan to get Westbrook. He further discusses that Pat said a bunch of bs to hold face in front of the media and didn't want to throw salt in the wound. He then discusses how fans don't want to hear the truth. Then the discussion turns into how it relates to a divorce.

Le Batard doesn't know ****. Yea he's got Riley's number but he doesn't know ****. All he does is offer Monday morning QB takes. First we heard the plan was to get Horford because Al was going to help recruit KD. NOW the plan ALL ALONG was to push Wade out to get Westbrook

[I_Never Lied]

A lot of people think it is easy to play GM. You have a twenty-seven year old center who was offered a max contract from two teams. You have a 34 year old shooting guard that is in decline. Who is your priority? You had a top 5 superstar on the market that has granted you a meeting. Do you not take that shot? In the end, they offered Wade the most they could offer operating as a capped team. They gave Wade a fair offer. Has any one wondered why Wade dd not help recruit Durant? Wade is great, but this ain't 2009, and he needs help to win the title. As I said, it's a shame that Riley and Wade could not share a vision.

The Spurs were successful because of the shared vision of their best players and management.

I would have let Hassan walk. He is an asset on a complete team not a building block. You have already plunged big money into players than cannot win a championship (Dragic), no reason to compound the problem. It is so sad that you have come to EXPECT that Wade help recruit Durant. Why didn't you expect the same of the players who are actually making the money (Bosh, Whiteside, Dragic)?

I'll tell you why. Because those players don't matter in the big picture. The only players who matters is Wade and he should have been paid like it.

[Hallstar]

A lot of people think it is easy to play GM. You have a twenty-seven year old center who was offered a max contract from two teams. You have a 34 year old shooting guard that is in decline. Who is your priority? You had a top 5 superstar on the market that has granted you a meeting. Do you not take that shot? In the end, they offered Wade the most they could offer operating as a capped team. They gave Wade a fair offer. Has any one wondered why Wade dd not help recruit Durant? Wade is great, but this ain't 2009, and he needs help to win the title. As I said, it's a shame that Riley and Wade could not share a vision.

The Spurs were successful because of the shared vision of their best players and management.

How the hell is Wade supposed to recruit Durant and they can't even pay him...hell, they couldn't even pay Durant

Why can't Dragic and Whiteside recruit? They're the ones we paid. That's right...they have NO status

As for the other post...no Westbrook will mean we failed 4 offseasons in a row right? I'm trying to keep count

He basically said it was the plan to get push Wade out for the plan to get Westbrook. He further discusses that Pat said a bunch of bs to hold face in front of the media and didn't want to throw salt in the wound. He then discusses how fans don't want to hear the truth. Then the discussion turns into how it relates to a divorce.

Le Batard doesn't know ****. Yea he's got Riley's number but he doesn't know ****. All he does is offer Monday morning QB takes. First we heard the plan was to get Horford because Al was going to help recruit KD. NOW the plan ALL ALONG was to push Wade out to get Westbrook

Or maybe the front office just keeps failing...I said we're on the 2021 plan, some just don't see it yet. At this point I hope it's that soon. The move that will kill me is if they get desperate and trade for some career malcontent or overpriced dude while giving up picks.