Kevistics wrote:Dirk Nowitzki wrote:Kevistics wrote:When I said better version than derozan, I meant that he can have numbers like 25/5/5 with good defence and 3pt shooting. Harrison played off the ball in GS, but he can be effective with the ball in his hands and getting to the line like derozan. The comparison wasnt to say they are both iso players, the comparison was for the potential stats.
That kind of line is so rare. That's only reserved to people like Lebron, Curry, Westbrook or Harden. Players with over 30 in USG%.
Gordon Hayward is a good comparison of a SF that could do that line if he played on a fast paced team, but he's obviously much more skilled than Barnes. I think Mavs fans would be happy if he visibly made a difference on defence with his versatility, rebounded well and then on offense just continued to make his open shots. I don't think anyone is expecting him to carry the offense or handle the ball much. 16-7-2 would be a good line for him. I basically expect him to be Wes Matthews at the forward spots, good role players, but you don't really want to have them on an island with the ball.
Lets say 20/4/4 then with more efficency and defence?
harrison was on a team with multiple options and talent and cou,d have been more impactful and have demar derozan like numbers if he was given the same oppotunity that demar was given. Harrison is miles better than wes matthews. I always thot wes matthew was overrated and injured. in case it wasnt obvious, im also a raptors fan and have watched demar and lot of the raptors fans wanted harrison barnes on the team years ago. He couldve been draft there had he not went back to college for another year to compete for an NCAA championship. I def think harrison reaching 20/4/4 numbers with efficiency and defence is within reach, the mavs can retool by adding other pieces to go along with him once dirk retires.
That's very optimistic (check this simply by looking around the league and seeing that very few players have that line). He should have bigger rebounding numbers, but the scoring is not realistic. The Mavs had Monta Ellis and he averaged 19 points with the Mavs. They either play a flow offense where the scoring is distributed and Barnes won't be required to do much that's different from GS or they play a very slow pace where games will be low scoring (that's how they made the playoffs last year).
Last year, Dirk had 14.8 fga/g. The second was Williams 11.9 fga/g. Parsons was at 10.9. For Barnes to get to 20 points a game. Ellis was at 16.9 fga in 14/15. This was a guy who handled the ball and created things for him and others. Barnes is not that type of guy and he won't turn into that player overnight. He averaged 11.7 points last year with GS, so if he gets to 16 a game with good efficiency, that'll be a very good first year with the Mavs.
Numbers aren't the whole story though. Look at Rudy Gay, he's had the stats, but he was not a winning player and got traded several times and no one values him that much. So, I don't think anyone should be really focused solely on the counting stats/scoring, we'll be looking at his defense, intangibles, team chemistry.
