The 2016 Offseason Thread

[bwgood77]

I don't consider him a PG at all. Right now with his skill set, he's more of a wing than anything

Did you watch any of summer league?

[Zelaznyrules]

Guarantee Big Sauce, don't guarantee Jenkins, sign Troy Williams, move Archie for a pick

Bledsoe/Ulis
Knight/Booker/Barbosa
Tucker/Warren/TWilliams
Dudley/Bender/Chriss
Chandler/Len/AWilliams

Hooray.

Can anyone point to a pair of starting forwards in this league as offensively anemic as PJ Tucker and Jared Dudley?

...

No? Then why do people keeping thinking they'll start?

An almost complete lack of options? Tucker started for us last year and with Tele and Leuer gone, we're down to either starting Dudley or throwing one of the rookies in there. Although, personally I'm hoping that Warren is given a chance at the spot. But Ryan did say in an interview that Dudley would likely begin the season as our starting power forward.

[lilfishi22]

I don't consider him a PG at all. Right now with his skill set, he's more of a wing than anything

Did you watch any of summer league?

Only highlights. Couldn't find a feed. But I did watch the games last season when Archie was playing a lot more at the PG position and I'm not confident he's an option at the PG position. He can handle the ball in spates but not consistently.

[bwgood77]

I don't consider him a PG at all. Right now with his skill set, he's more of a wing than anything

Did you watch any of summer league?

Only highlights. Couldn't find a feed. But I did watch the games last season when Archie was playing a lot more at the PG position and I'm not confident he's an option at the PG position. He can handle the ball in spates but not consistently.

Well, Archie shot 26% from 3 in college, and 23% this year. 14% as a rookie. Troy hit some 3s but I guess he was sub 30 in summer league. However, he shot 46% from 3 as a soph (on limited volume) and 35% on higher volume this past year. But mostly he is 6'7, and a true wing and a super athlete.

I think we've seen enough from Archie. I'd rather not lose this guy and see him potentially blossom with another team. Now there is a very good chance he doesn't but he was very impressive.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Tjonessltrib/status/754457550104371200[/tweet]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U-LwmtmLSg[/youtube]

That video didn't even show his super dunks in some of his other games, but showed he does have skills in some other areas.

[sunsbum]

I know its easy to get high on guys like williams but lets not forget, guys like McCrae who is arguably better has been in and out of the league for years.
I dont think troy is anything special, and thats considering how well hes played in SL.

[saintEscaton]

I still think the Suns should go after Cousins. Bender, Len and Archie might be enough, throw in knight too.


Bledsoe
Booker
Dudley
Cousins
Chandler




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Not even close

[saintEscaton]

I've watched Troy for three years, he will wow with you a 360 windmill/ heroics but then proceed to shoot you out of games or commmit boneheaded turnovers at the most inopportune time, he was the whipping boy and did more harm than good. I can't believe this discussion has been dragging on for pages now

[bwgood77]

I've watched Troy for three years, he will wow with you a 360 windmill/ heroics but then proceed to shoot you out of games or commmit boneheaded turnovers at the most inopportune time, he was the whipping boy and did more harm than good. I can't believe this discussion has been dragging on for pages now

So you'd keep Archie on the team over him? I mean had you watched Jaylen Brown he was probably worse at what you say but because he was the high ranked golden boy he got a pass by many.

I'm not saying he will turn into anything great, but from what I saw I liked it, and perhaps with some nba coaching he can work on those things...I mean it's a low risk signing.

[bwgood77]

I know its easy to get high on guys like williams but lets not forget, guys like McCrae who is arguably better has been in and out of the league for years.
I dont think troy is anything special, and thats considering how well hes played in SL.

I wouldn't call him special, but it's not like we are stacked 15 deep, and if we trade Tucker, we are somewhat thin at the SF position, at least as far as young guys go. I'd be willing to give the guy a shot for a year. I mean we've given Archie 3 years.

[saintEscaton]

I've watched Troy for three years, he will wow with you a 360 windmill/ heroics but then proceed to shoot you out of games or commmit boneheaded turnovers at the most inopportune time, he was the whipping boy and did more harm than good. I can't believe this discussion has been dragging on for pages now

So you'd keep Archie on the team over him? I mean had you watched Jaylen Brown he was probably worse at what you say but because he was the high ranked golden boy he got a pass by many.

I'm not saying he will turn into anything great, but from what I saw I liked it, and perhaps with some nba coaching he can work on those things...I mean it's a low risk signing.

Well Brown was a pretty big letdown as a frosh, but I definitely think he has more upside. I guess there's no harm in trying out Troy. I was hoping Archie would turn into a more dynamic KJ McDaniels but he was even worse than Booker defensively, an accomplishment in of itself, he doesn't use his length on the perimeter and gets caught napping/ballwatching. He has fixed the unsightly hitch at the top of his jumper but its still broken , he is is unable to break his man down off the dribble and is mediocre finishing through contact/converting at the charity stripe which should be his bread n butter as a slash. His only redeemable quality is his unselfishness, at least he tried to penetrate and kickout when running the point unlike Knight pounding the rock at the top of the key

[lilfishi22]

Did you watch any of summer league?

Only highlights. Couldn't find a feed. But I did watch the games last season when Archie was playing a lot more at the PG position and I'm not confident he's an option at the PG position. He can handle the ball in spates but not consistently.

Well, Archie shot 26% from 3 in college, and 23% this year. 14% as a rookie. Troy hit some 3s but I guess he was sub 30 in summer league. However, he shot 46% from 3 as a soph (on limited volume) and 35% on higher volume this past year. But mostly he is 6'7, and a true wing and a super athlete.

I think we've seen enough from Archie. I'd rather not lose this guy and see him potentially blossom with another team. Now there is a very good chance he doesn't but he was very impressive.

Spoiler:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Tjonessltrib/status/754457550104371200[/tweet]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U-LwmtmLSg[/youtube]

That video didn't even show his super dunks in some of his other games, but showed he does have skills in some other areas.

I'm ready to take on another experiment only if we get rid of the one we have now. Virtually all our young guys are experiments until they can prove they are worth something (and consistently) on the court. I think Warren has proven that. Booker has proven that. To a certain extent, Len has shown that too. But everyone else, including Archie, despite having been on our team for 3 years now, still hasn't proven to me he's anything more than an experiment so far.

[Frank Lee]

Might as well get it over with and sign Stat and GGreen then call it an off season. A win for the marketing team and we are no worse than having a couple extra dumpster divers in Williams X2.

[NaturalBuns]

I can't believe y'all with this summer league hype. Is this your guys first year watching summer league? What about Dionte Xmas, Seth Curry etc....

Williams and kuric...

Insane y'all want to waive Archie for that. We know exactly what summer league brings. I had to pull Archie Goodwin stats from summer league in his 1st and 2nd year. I can't wrap my head around this one at all. He also has NBA Exp? Is hitting that age when he might make a leap just wow

[letsgosuns]

I still think the Suns should go after Cousins. Bender, Len and Archie might be enough, throw in knight too.


Bledsoe
Booker
Dudley
Cousins
Chandler




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Did you see the way Bender played defense in the Summer League? That was the best part about his performance. A 7'1", 18 year old that can move like that is not a player I am interested in trading away.

[saintEscaton]

I still think the Suns should go after Cousins. Bender, Len and Archie might be enough, throw in knight too.


Bledsoe
Booker
Dudley
Cousins
Chandler




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Did you see the way Bender played defense in the Summer League? That was the best part about his performance. A 7'1", 18 year old that can move like that is not a player I am interested in trading away.

I would for the unquestionable #1 center in the league

[bwgood77]

Might as well get it over with and sign Stat and GGreen then call it an off season. A win for the marketing team and we are no worse than having a couple extra dumpster divers in Williams X2.

It's a shame we missed out on Diaw and Joe Johnson. Is Marion still playing? And man, why couldn't we hire Nash as coach?









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[bwgood77]

I still think the Suns should go after Cousins. Bender, Len and Archie might be enough, throw in knight too.


Bledsoe
Booker
Dudley
Cousins
Chandler




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Did you see the way Bender played defense in the Summer League? That was the best part about his performance. A 7'1", 18 year old that can move like that is not a player I am interested in trading away.

I would for the unquestionable #1 center in the league

You'd trade the next Dirk/Pau/Kirilenko/Kukoc hybrid? C'mon!

It's not enough anyway, and I wouldn't trade Bender yet though. Not for a headcase. If he's THAT good, he would have gotten his team to the playoffs, or at least a little bit close.

[bwgood77]

I can't believe y'all with this summer league hype. Is this your guys first year watching summer league? What about Dionte Xmas, Seth Curry etc....

Williams and kuric...

Insane y'all want to waive Archie for that. We know exactly what summer league brings. I had to pull Archie Goodwin stats from summer league in his 1st and 2nd year. I can't wrap my head around this one at all. He also has NBA Exp? Is hitting that age when he might make a leap just wow

I'm not sure how much time you want to give him but I'm also not sure how much he even wants to be on the team. He was the only young guy not hanging with the team in all their off season activities and workouts and stuff. Not sure if they even feel he is much of a part of the team anymore.

[Frank Lee]

Might as well get it over with and sign Stat and GGreen then call it an off season. A win for the marketing team and we are no worse than having a couple extra dumpster divers in Williams X2.

It's a shame we missed out on Diaw and Joe Johnson. Is Marion still playing? And man, why couldn't we hire Nash as coach?









Let me know if green font was needed.

actually I was thinking something in a nice lavender

But really.... you think that is a far off suggestion? But would you have swallowed a Dudley PF and Barbo SG acquisition a week before they happened? ... On both, you could see the rose glasses fog up a little before the positive spin sunk in and the old love resurfaced. Heck, I'll take Stat over JDud, even with his wooden legs and if you want dunks ??? Who better is available. Both are looking to get on somewhere. Both will, and likely cheap.

I cannot be surprised by McMully anymore. Might as well maximize the nostalgic dollar appeal. Its not like BigSauce and LittleSauce will make this season anymore palatable.

[bwgood77]

Might as well get it over with and sign Stat and GGreen then call it an off season. A win for the marketing team and we are no worse than having a couple extra dumpster divers in Williams X2.

It's a shame we missed out on Diaw and Joe Johnson. Is Marion still playing? And man, why couldn't we hire Nash as coach?









Let me know if green font was needed.

actually I was thinking something in a nice lavender

But really.... you think that is a far off suggestion? But would you have swallowed a Dudley PF and Barbo SG acquisition a week before they happened? ... On both, you could see the rose glasses fog up a little before the positive spin sunk in and the old love resurfaced. Heck, I'll take Stat over JDud, even with his wooden legs and if you want dunks ??? Who better is available. Both are looking to get on somewhere. Both will, and likely cheap.

I cannot be surprised by McMully anymore. Might as well maximize the nostalgic dollar appeal. Its not like BigSauce and LittleSauce will make this season anymore palatable.

I don't mind Dudley because I didn't expect much this season anyway and our team seems like it had about as much personality as a wall, so it's good to add Dudley just for that purpose because sometimes one guy can loosen everyone else up...the team seemed so uptight most of the time. Plus he was pretty much a bargain. He's not going to lead us to the playoffs, but he can hit 3s and can be a good vet for the young guys to ask questions to.

I think Barbosa is pretty worthless. He will probably be another fun person in the locker room, but I don't know if he will do much more than that.