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[wise1-2]

agree it was a great trade for OKC, but that kinda proves bondom's point rather than refuting it. That's why the deal got done. If the Magic just offered Dipo or just offered the pick, then OKC says no thanks and keeps Ibaka. IT was the combo of the assets that got the deal done.

Same will be true with Westbrook. If a team steps up with a serious offer than Presti has to weigh that against the odds of Westbrook leaving and make a decision. But if the offers are the lowball ones we have been seeing here, than there is no decision. He won't trade him.

Your point is, unless someone overpays we're gonna keep a player on expiring deal. Cool story. Maybe it's the truth. I would love to see that scenario.

To me, this is as close to Harden situation as it gets. They knew they weren't going to pay him max dollars, they shopped around and took the best deal. It wasn't a monster package, but it was the best deal out there.

IMO unless Westbrook commits, he's going to the highest bidder. Now or at the deadline. I could be wrong, but losing Durant and Westbrook in back to back years would be the end of Presti's tenure in OKC.

By the way, Oladipo + Ilyasova for Ibaka on an expiring contract would be a fair deal. Presti took advantage of a weak GM, God bless him. But expecting that to be the norm reminds me of that time when Nuggets fans expected multiple lotto picks for Lawson because they got two 1st rounders for Mozgov.

weak gm? I will let that go..i think smart gm don't get good players for free in small markets...but to me reminds me more of the love ..what did wolves get again? westbrook better...then there is howard ..what did they get again...melo what did they get agin... d Williams.ect..ect...westbrook might be better? or same as any ..weak gms ? maybe..team s in need of star? most of time you pay the price...

Yeah just let it go man. Every move they criticized ended up being a win. Real GM posters combined don't have half the foresight as Rob Hennigan.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I would argue that letting a star walk after trying to keep him is much better than taking a low ball offer. Either way, you still without a star. There a better chance of OKC convincing Westbrook to stay than whoever they draft with an unknown pick end up becoming a star.

[reload141]

I would argue that letting a star walk after trying to keep him is much better than taking a low ball offer. Either way, you still without a star. There a better chance of OKC convincing Westbrook to stay than whoever they draft with an unknown pick end up becoming a star.

It's also two-fold though, if you don't trade him and he does walk not only do you not get assets from another team but you miss out on "tanking" for a year.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I would argue that letting a star walk after trying to keep him is much better than taking a low ball offer. Either way, you still without a star. There a better chance of OKC convincing Westbrook to stay than whoever they draft with an unknown pick end up becoming a star.

It's also two-fold though, if you don't trade him and he does walk not only do you not get assets from another team but you miss out on "tanking" for a year.

Still the guy they tank for isn't likely to be the star Westbrook for. Still say the they have better odds of keeping Westbrook than landing a star in the draft.

On top of that its, really missing out on tanking for a year. They just start the rebuild process a year later. I doubt a team with playoff aspirations would prefer to tank a year than one last playoff run though.

[reload141]

I would argue that letting a star walk after trying to keep him is much better than taking a low ball offer. Either way, you still without a star. There a better chance of OKC convincing Westbrook to stay than whoever they draft with an unknown pick end up becoming a star.

It's also two-fold though, if you don't trade him and he does walk not only do you not get assets from another team but you miss out on "tanking" for a year.

Still the guy they tank for isn't likely to be the star Westbrook for. Still say the they have better odds of keeping Westbrook than landing a star in the draft.

On top of that its, really missing out on tanking for a year. They just start the rebuild process a year later. I doubt a team with playoff aspirations would prefer to tank a year than one last playoff run though.

I totally agree, and I don't want Westbrook to be traded... but that is something that is another layer to the whole "Do we keep or trade?" In what they are saying is a top heavy top 6 draft if you can capitalise and have two shots at the top 6 (Your own pick and probably the Brooklyn pick) it would be enticing.

[bondom34]

I would argue that letting a star walk after trying to keep him is much better than taking a low ball offer. Either way, you still without a star. There a better chance of OKC convincing Westbrook to stay than whoever they draft with an unknown pick end up becoming a star.

Yep, I'd take giving young guys playoff experience and making a run in free agency over trading for a pick and a bunch of random stuff.

[Texas Chuck]

I wonder how many people who strongly believe you should trade a star every time they get to the last year of their contract have ever gone through a long rebuild? This idea that getting young kids and draft picks meaning your future is bright is just so much fool's gold.

Look at Minnesota. They were a good team with KG until the end when injuries, the Joe Smith fiasco, and other bad management decisions killed the talent around him. They finally decide to move him and for what at the time looked like a really good package. And they have been terrible ever since. Despite high draft pick after high draft pick after high draft pick. We think now with Towns that they will finally get out of this, but it only took a decade to get here. Ain't worth it.

Or take Dallas who was challenging the Lakers in the late 80's. Tarpley gets hurt, does drugs, they trade Aquirre and are horrible for the next dozen years until they found Dirk. Or the Kings now.

You don't always get bad and draft Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. Sorry that is the aberration, not the expectation.

[pelifan]

I wonder how many people who strongly believe you should trade a star every time they get to the last year of their contract have ever gone through a long rebuild? This idea that getting young kids and draft picks meaning your future is bright is just so much fool's gold.

Look at Minnesota. They were a good team with KG until the end when injuries, the Joe Smith fiasco, and other bad management decisions killed the talent around him. They finally decide to move him and for what at the time looked like a really good package. And they have been terrible ever since. Despite high draft pick after high draft pick after high draft pick. We think now with Towns that they will finally get out of this, but it only took a decade to get here. Ain't worth it.

Or take Dallas who was challenging the Lakers in the late 80's. Tarpley gets hurt, does drugs, they trade Aquirre and are horrible for the next dozen years until they found Dirk. Or the Kings now.

You don't always get bad and draft Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. Sorry that is the aberration, not the expectation.

Exactly, first, you need superstars to win anything in this league. Depth and perfect role players limit the number you need, but this is true. If you aren't picking number 1, you've got like a 20% chance at a star player in the next 5 picks. Statistically, it would take a team 3 years of being one of the worst teams in the league to be 50% likely to draft a star player. I understand the whole "nobody wants to trade for a rental" argument but if you don't think teams giving up assets sways the players decision and gives them better odds of signing the person you are absolutely bonkers.

Perfect example Nicolas Batum, although not a star, proves my rentals point. Rentals aren't even close to as bad of an investment as everyone thinks they are. If you are going to use Dwight Howard as the norm that would be ignoring all of the other times that it totally works out.

[mlloyd10]

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[mlloyd10]

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[Andre Roberstan]

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Ohhhhhhhhhh that's a really good idea.

[HartfordWhalers]

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[HartfordWhalers]

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Ohhhhhhhhhh that's a really good idea.

Would require Tony Parker or DannyGreen and change outgoing.

[Andre Roberstan]

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Ohhhhhhhhhh that's a really good idea.

Would require Tony Parker or DannyGreen and change outgoing.

Maybe they think Simmons can fill in for Green? Parker's declining, but I don't see any better PGs available, and the idea of Mills running the offense would terrify me if I was a Spurs fan.

[mlloyd10]

Green/Mills for Monroe

[wise1-2]

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He wasn't going to find any minutes on that team anyway, but I wish him well in his recovery. Horrible luck.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Green/Mills for Monroe

Bucks are going to have to give up some value to pull that off.

[jakecronus8]

Green/Mills for Monroe

SA would need a point coming back to them. Can't see them running with Murray as the main backup to Parker. Some way to get them MCW would work but salaries are hard to match.

[Chinook]

The Monroe-to-Spurs rumors make zero sense. Maybe they think the Bucks are going to buy him out? I wouldn't trade Parker for him, and I would trade Parker for almost nothing.

[pelifan]

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Ohhhhhhhhhh that's a really good idea.

Any player the Spurs acquire people are going to say it's a good idea because they are the Spurs and they could find a way to incorporate me on the team and win games. If any other team in the league went out and got 3 post scorers people would call them dumb.