Thon Maker

Skin · Post #441 » by **Skin** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:14 pm

LOL@the Thon Maker Haters. LOL LOL LOL.

reanimator · Post #442 » by **reanimator** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:18 pm

There definitely was an agenda against this kid.

Han Solo · Post #443 » by **Han Solo** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:48 pm

If you look at my post history, I always pushed for the Pistons to consider this kid. He was gone by the time we picked and word is Van Gundy LOVED his game. Thon can play. It won't happen right away, but there is definitely major potential with this kid.

Post #444 » by **Prez** » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:08 pm

It's gotten to the point where I'd be happy with the pick even if he was 23, which I'm not a believer of anyways. But even if he's 23, he's shown enough feel and instincts where he's not hopeless developmentally. He's got very translatable skills...his court coverage defensively, ability to switch and recover, shot blocking at the rim, rebounding, athleticism to finish easy buckets, potentially a decent face up game and range out to 3PT. If he can just add about 15-20 pounds and get to ~235-240 or so to help with post defense and finishing through contact, he can be a nasty modern 5.

If he's 19-21, good fking god.

JMac1 · Post #445 » by **JMac1** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:05 am

Skin wrote:LOL@the Thon Maker Haters. LOL LOL LOL.

Slow down man.... Two SL games :-?

So far, so good, that's it. Nothing counts until the season starts, but it is better to be good than bad in SL.

Acting as if people should be eating crow is very premature.

madmaxmedia · Post #446 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:08 pm

reanimator wrote:There definitely was an agenda against this kid.

There was backlash, but there always is when some guy gets hyped up from a Youtube highlight video.

I am rooting for him, he seems like a really good guy.

HeartBreakKid · Post #447 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:30 pm

Skin wrote:LOL@the Thon Maker Haters. LOL LOL LOL.

Is Thon Maker your uncle or something? :lol:

reanimator · Post #448 » by **reanimator** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:46 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:
reanimator wrote:There definitely was an agenda against this kid.

There was backlash, but there always is when some guy gets hyped up from a Youtube highlight video.

I am rooting for him, he seems like a really good guy.

There is a difference between "this guy is raw" and "this guy is a 30 year old who struggled against high schoolers and should barely be a 2nd rounder because he would be lucky to ever crack an NBA rotation"

A lot of "experts" were very smug about him, instead of saying they simply don't know what to expect with Maker.

madmaxmedia · Post #449 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:50 pm

I realize that I'm just watching summer league highlight videos, but I really like what I see so far. He seems to have a genuine knack for basketball, sliding and cutting, seeing other teammates open, that sort of thing. He's a big but will rely on length and quickness in the NBA, as Kevin Garnett did.

He'll obviously want to get stronger in the NBA, but that's not the only way for him to fit in. If he can develop an NBA 3 game, then he doesn't have to get quite as strong. He seems to have the basic ability or at least potential to do that.

I think if you throw out all the hype and backlash and questions about draft position, and you just saw this guy for the first time playing in the summer league, you'd probably be pretty impressed and hopeful about his future. He doesn't have to be 19 to still be impressive, he just can't be like 25 or something.

madmaxmedia · Post #450 » by **madmaxmedia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:53 pm

reanimator wrote:
madmaxmedia wrote:
reanimator wrote:There definitely was an agenda against this kid.

There was backlash, but there always is when some guy gets hyped up from a Youtube highlight video.

I am rooting for him, he seems like a really good guy.

There is a difference between "this guy is raw" and "this guy is a 30 year old who struggled against high schoolers and should barely be a 2nd rounder because he would be lucky to ever crack an NBA rotation"

A lot of "experts" were very smug about him, instead of saying they simply don't know what to expect with Maker.

Oh yeah you're right, I wasn't trying to say it was okay or justified. The less evidence there is, the much wider the extremes of opinion there are going to be. And some of it is just emotional backlash, which is why some comments seem too much even if you are pessimistic about him.

Juggynaut · Post #451 » by **Juggynaut** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:13 am

He's done well for a 23 year old that was playing against high school competition.

The_Hater · Post #452 » by **The_Hater** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:05 pm

Skin wrote:LOL@the Thon Maker Haters. LOL LOL LOL.

Since he's since been proven to be either 23 or 24 years old and the oldest prospect in the draft, unfortunately the joke appears to be on you. Even YI Jialian was only pretending to be 3 years younger.

Skin · Post #453 » by **Skin** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:12 pm

The_Hater wrote:
Skin wrote:LOL@the Thon Maker Haters. LOL LOL LOL.

Since he's since been proven to be either 23 or 24 years old and the oldest prospect in the draft, unfortunately the joke appears to be on you. Even YI Jialian was only pretending to be 3 years younger.

Since he's been proven to have been drafted in the top 10, the haters who said he wouldn't can eat crow.

For those that were hoping he would fail in SL... eat crow.

For Haters like you who think he's older than he claims... eat crow.

Sorry to make you upset, but I think he might actually live up to the billing of previous players picked with the 10th pick.

The_Hater · Post #454 » by **The_Hater** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:55 pm

I don't hate MAker, he played his ball 45 minutes from my house last season.

But i find it funny that you're one of only 3 remaining Bucks fans who is ignoring all the evidence and sticking firm that it's impossible to create a fake passport. Especially since he's the 3rd Buck draftie to lie about his age in 9 years. If anyone knows that this is possible, It should be a Milwaukeee fan.

janmagn · Post #455 » by **janmagn** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:43 pm

Really, who cares about his age? If he really is 23 it just means he will flame out earlier. People who don't fake their ages flame out at different spots on their careers.

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Post #456 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:44 pm

The_Hater wrote:I don't hate MAker, he played his ball 45 minutes from my house last season.

But i find it funny that you're one of only 3 remaining Bucks fans who is ignoring all the evidence and sticking firm that it's impossible to create a fake passport. Especially since he's the 3rd Buck draftie to lie about his age in 9 years. If anyone knows that this is possible, It should be a Milwaukeee fan.

I'm a Bucks fan who is skeptical, and I hope I'm wrong because he seems like a great kid, and he definitely hustles out there - it's hard not to root for him. SL is really not a good venue to rate players, but there are things you can look at. It was fun to see him make some 3's, but I really doubt he's going to be a 3 point shooter in the NBA. The ones he made caught his opponents by surprise, and very little defense is played anyway in the SL. He made some nice spin moves to get shots off inside, but he had no instincts for where the basket was when finishing. The basket is a stationary object, so... he's got a ways to go. Defensively, he played better than I expected, but again it's SL. And even there, he wasn't a great shot-blocker. He has very good length, but not the length that Henson has and Sanders had. I'm actually not as worried about him adding strength as others are - particularly in this small-ball era.

The feel for the game and knowledge aren't there yet, imo. I don't see him making significant contributions in his rookie year. The question is - Do you put him in the D League for the season? If Milwaukee had their own D League team, I think the answer would be easy. But they want him to get the best coaching they can give him - and that would be in the NBA. Without a D League team of their own, they couldn't control how he's coached and used or even his playing time. Either way, I'll be rooting for him.

The_Hater · Post #457 » by **The_Hater** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:01 pm

janmagn wrote:Really, who cares about his age? If he really is 23 it just means he will flame out earlier. People who don't fake their ages flame out at different spots on their careers.

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What a ridiculous post. Obviously a 19 year old has a lot more upside than a 24 year old. Most 24 year olds are pretty much a finished products. It's the difference between Maker being an intriging prospect with loads of upside and a virtual non-prospect. A 5 year difference in his age means everything in this case.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #458 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Mon Aug 8, 2016 7:23 pm

Ruzious wrote:SL is really not a good venue to rate players, but there are things you can look at. It was fun to see him make some 3's, but I really doubt he's going to be a 3 point shooter in the NBA. The ones he made caught his opponents by surprise, and very little defense is played anyway in the SL. He made some nice spin moves to get shots off inside, but he had no instincts for where the basket was when finishing. The basket is a stationary object, so... he's got a ways to go. Defensively, he played better than I expected, but again it's SL. And even there, he wasn't a great shot-blocker. He has very good length, but not the length that Henson has and Sanders had. I'm actually not as worried about him adding strength as others are - particularly in this small-ball era.

The feel for the game and knowledge aren't there yet, imo. I don't see him making significant contributions in his rookie year. The question is - Do you put him in the D League for the season? If Milwaukee had their own D League team, I think the answer would be easy. But they want him to get the best coaching they can give him - and that would be in the NBA. Without a D League team of their own, they couldn't control how he's coached and used or even his playing time. Either way, I'll be rooting for him.

I generally agree with this assessment, and honestly, that 2nd paragraph is where concerns over his age are important. He still needs to learn how to play basketball. If he's 19 and learning to play basketball, great. If he's 23 and learning to play basketball, that's tougher, because assuming it takes him 3 or 4 years to really learn, it starts cutting his prime quite a bit shorter. Still, he does look like an NBA player eventually, which is solid. In summer league he was wildly inefficient and the Bucks basically just let him run loose to see what he could do, without really worrying if he deviated from the game plan or not. Not having a d league team is a problem for the Bucks, because I see them increasingly falling behind a lot of other teams where player development is concerned.

Post #459 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 12:36 pm

The motor is the most promising thing so far. He obviously has nice athleticism for his size, so having a great motor virtually guarantees he'll make at least some positive impact even if his development is completely finished.

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Ettorefm · Post #460 » by **Ettorefm** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 4:59 pm

Some people act about Maker's age like they do with Barkley's height. Barkley loses an inch every year according to some fans :lol:

Thon is not 24/25, calm the f*** down :lol:

Don't exaggerate. He's probably closer to 22