OT. The Donald Trump (and Politics) Momentum Thread

[DarthDiggler69]

Im a Republican all my life but Im voting for whoever is going to be beat Trump, if its Hillary so be it

[DarthDiggler69]

Hillary Clinton is shady AF. I'm a registered independent and I'm voting for Jill Stein.

All politicians are shady as hell, thats a given, I just cant stand racists

[PeoplesChamp]

I feel your thought was incomplete. What is the paradigm shift?

Not really incomplete rather incomplete on the end of US citizens. The shift in ideology that we have to vote one way or another when we the people are in control in the first place. Why must we be force fed into deciding the next president elect? Lets get behind a third party and make it a three team race here, after all we have the power to do so. The media and powers that be lend you to believe that we dont.

What does a mainstream third party accomplish, outside of almost guaranteeing that no party will get a majority of the vote?

Is 3 enough? If I don't agree with the policies and values of any of the parties, should there be a 4th, 5th, 9th party? And if a 3rd party becomes mainstream, what will stop them from being corrupted as well?

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I am trying to forecast what you see as a solution. Options are a good thing, but there is so much on the spectrum to account for.

I personally would like to see 5 viable parties. I don't care if any one party gets a majority. Fcuk em. What it would do is force politicians to pander to more than just their base. It would make it difficult for hardliners to function and put a stop to the perpetual state of gridlock in Washington. More options are always better. We have freedom of choice, but no freedom in our choices right now.

[GONYK]

Not really incomplete rather incomplete on the end of US citizens. The shift in ideology that we have to vote one way or another when we the people are in control in the first place. Why must we be force fed into deciding the next president elect? Lets get behind a third party and make it a three team race here, after all we have the power to do so. The media and powers that be lend you to believe that we dont.

What does a mainstream third party accomplish, outside of almost guaranteeing that no party will get a majority of the vote?

Is 3 enough? If I don't agree with the policies and values of any of the parties, should there be a 4th, 5th, 9th party? And if a 3rd party becomes mainstream, what will stop them from being corrupted as well?

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I am trying to forecast what you see as a solution. Options are a good thing, but there is so much on the spectrum to account for.

I personally would like to see 5 viable parties. I don't care if any one party gets a majority. Fcuk em. What it would do is force politicians to pander to more than just their base. It would make it difficult for hardliners to function and put a stop to the perpetual state of gridlock in Washington. More options are always better. We have freedom of choice, but no freedom in our choices right now.

But people have options right now, and choose not to exercise them

[Sark]

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[NY2TheBay]

What does a mainstream third party accomplish, outside of almost guaranteeing that no party will get a majority of the vote?

Is 3 enough? If I don't agree with the policies and values of any of the parties, should there be a 4th, 5th, 9th party? And if a 3rd party becomes mainstream, what will stop them from being corrupted as well?

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but I am trying to forecast what you see as a solution. Options are a good thing, but there is so much on the spectrum to account for.

I personally would like to see 5 viable parties. I don't care if any one party gets a majority. Fcuk em. What it would do is force politicians to pander to more than just their base. It would make it difficult for hardliners to function and put a stop to the perpetual state of gridlock in Washington. More options are always better. We have freedom of choice, but no freedom in our choices right now.

But people have options right now, and choose not to exercise them

Yes, and its partly due to what I said in the original post I made. There needs to be a shift in the thinking that a vote for whomever is a vote taken away from said rep or dem. The people need to use more of their power and unite vs. media and unfulfilled campaign rhetoric. This election is the perfect time for it.

[SARGO127]

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[ccvle]

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is that real or photoshopped ?

[CJackson]

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is that real or photoshopped ?

I'd say it has to be doctored, but Trump is such a lunatic I wouldn't put it past him either

[ccvle]

i researched. The trump's tweet is actually real, but the obama's twitt is fake.

[Greenie]

I voted for Nader too...

I know your vote didn't do this because you live in NY, but votes for Nader gave us President George W. Bush because of Florida. We really went through 8 years of horrible leadership and many died for his wars. They are still dying. Our economy tanked.

We don't have any perfect candidates. But helping to elect a bad one is frightening.

Neither the democrats or republicans feel they need to get their sh*t together because of that very mindset. That's why they can offer up sh*tty candidates year in and out and know there's a 50% chance they will get elected.

It's not either or. If more people voted for the best candidate then Nader would have won. Stop thinking you MUST vote either democrat or republican. You don't. Vote for who YOU think is the best candidate REGARDLESS of their party affiliation.

[riter]

Im a Republican all my life but Im voting for whoever is going to be beat Trump, if its Hillary so be it

this is the point.
there is no Republican National Convention.
the republican leadership did not want Trump and they have turned their backs on this convention.
that makes all other arguments moot.
It will be hard for any card carrying republican to vote for Trump.

[riter]

I voted for Nader too...

I know your vote didn't do this because you live in NY, but votes for Nader gave us President George W. Bush because of Florida. We really went through 8 years of horrible leadership and many died for his wars. They are still dying. Our economy tanked.

We don't have any perfect candidates. But helping to elect a bad one is frightening.

Neither the democrats or republicans feel they need to get their sh*t together because of that very mindset. That's why they can offer up sh*tty candidates year in and out and know there's a 50% chance they will get elected.

It's not either or. If more people voted for the best candidate then Nader would have won. Stop thinking you MUST vote either democrat or republican. You don't. Vote for who YOU think is the best candidate REGARDLESS of their party affiliation.

But you do have to remember that it can be worse. Until there is a true choice, this great country still needs to be managed----and it is up to the moderates among us to make the necessary choices that keep us in a position to improve later. Even if that choice doesn't seem so great.

[AllanH20]

Jeff Sessions:
- Rejected 20 years ago for a judicial appointment under Reagan because he was found to be a racist.
- Called a black Assistant U.S. Attorney "boy".
- Said that he was okay with the KKK until he found out that they smoked pot.

Also: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/first-prominent-republican-politician-to-endorse-trump-is-arguably-the-most-racist/

As the U .S. Attorney, Sessions, in order to suppress the black vote, sent the FBI out in Alabama’s “Black Belt” to round up black political activists, have them photographed and finger printed, and told that the FBI would be watching what they did in the upcoming general election. Sessions was challenging a Democratic incumbent for state attorney general, and the Democrat was expected to get a landslide of black votes.

To show he meant business, Sessions had two black activists charged and convicted, both friends of mine. One a sweet 72-year-old woman, Miss Julia Wilder, a retired school teacher, who was sentenced to two years, and Ms. Maggie Bozeman, a noted activist in black politics. I studied the case and the testimony. First, I do not believe they broke the law and secondly, they did not get fair treatment at the trial. Sessions was determined to scare the hell out of the black activists so they would not get out the vote for his Democratic opponent.

Before that 1994 election in which I was running for Lt. Governor, I spoke to a noted black leader, Senator Hank Sanders, who told me most were simply afraid and would not be working as they had in the past to turn out black votes.

Sessions won in an upset victory and two years later won his seat in the U.S. Senate by alleging his Democratic opponent, a state senator, had broken the law in getting a grant to provide water services from which the senator would allegedly benefit. The charges were dropped after the election.

He was the first senator to endorse Trump and he's basically the star senator at the RNC.

[Greenie]

I know your vote didn't do this because you live in NY, but votes for Nader gave us President George W. Bush because of Florida. We really went through 8 years of horrible leadership and many died for his wars. They are still dying. Our economy tanked.

We don't have any perfect candidates. But helping to elect a bad one is frightening.

Neither the democrats or republicans feel they need to get their sh*t together because of that very mindset. That's why they can offer up sh*tty candidates year in and out and know there's a 50% chance they will get elected.

It's not either or. If more people voted for the best candidate then Nader would have won. Stop thinking you MUST vote either democrat or republican. You don't. Vote for who YOU think is the best candidate REGARDLESS of their party affiliation.

But you do have to remember that it can be worse. Until there is a true choice, this great country still needs to be managed----and it is up to the moderates among us to make the necessary choices that keep us in a position to improve later. Even if that choice doesn't seem so great.

Let that mindset go. Make them all earn your vote. It's not either or and until we as a people wake the fuq up we will always be "choosing" the lesser of two evils.
News flash! It's still EVIL!

[CharlesOakley]

I voted for Nader too...

I know your vote didn't do this because you live in NY, but votes for Nader gave us President George W. Bush because of Florida. We really went through 8 years of horrible leadership and many died for his wars. They are still dying. Our economy tanked.

We don't have any perfect candidates. But helping to elect a bad one is frightening.

I understand your point. Hillary >>>> Trump, but at some point, we need to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. In most states, a vote for a 3rd party candidate will do nothing to effect the outcome of a general election, thanks to the electoral college. People shouldn't be made to feel wrong for voting for a candidate that represents their values. It needs to happen if a 3rd party is ever going to take off. I can't foresee the current GOP ever putting up a candidate that isn't dangerous to our future. I'm not going to vote for every Democrat patsy just because the GOP is 10x more dangerous. I don't see how progress will ever be made that way. Hopefully, people on the other side of the isle start voting 3rd (or 4th) party too.

I'll be voting for Jill Stein.

[riter]

News flash! It's still EVIL!

I believe in your sentiment. It is ideal.
However, relatively, the accomplishments of America and her people are nothing short of astounding. Care must be taken not to lose the progress this nation has made.
I agree that we must not be afraid to make our own choices as opposed to simply accepting the ones made for us.
However, I choose to believe that voting for the more moderate and inclusive party will allow for the increased chance of reaching your goal.

Moderation and inclusivity( as relative as those may be) are my personal intentions for my vote. I vote policy and not people.


I'm leaving this thread now. I need to get back to my Knicks and my silly posts.

[Greenie]

I voted for Nader too...

I know your vote didn't do this because you live in NY, but votes for Nader gave us President George W. Bush because of Florida. We really went through 8 years of horrible leadership and many died for his wars. They are still dying. Our economy tanked.

We don't have any perfect candidates. But helping to elect a bad one is frightening.

I understand your point. Hillary >>>> Trump, but at some point, we need to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. In most states, a vote for a 3rd party candidate will do nothing to effect the outcome of a general election, thanks to the electoral college. People shouldn't be made to feel wrong for voting for a candidate that represents their values. It needs to happen if a 3rd party is ever going to take off. I can't foresee the current GOP ever putting up a candidate that isn't dangerous to our future. I'm not going to vote for every Democrat patsy just because the GOP is 10x more dangerous. I don't see how progress will ever be made that way. Hopefully, people on the other side of the isle start voting 3rd (or 4th) party too.

I'll be voting for Jill Stein.

Tell me more about some Jill Stein.

[Riot Randolph]

I know your vote didn't do this because you live in NY, but votes for Nader gave us President George W. Bush because of Florida. We really went through 8 years of horrible leadership and many died for his wars. They are still dying. Our economy tanked.

We don't have any perfect candidates. But helping to elect a bad one is frightening.

I understand your point. Hillary >>>> Trump, but at some point, we need to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. In most states, a vote for a 3rd party candidate will do nothing to effect the outcome of a general election, thanks to the electoral college. People shouldn't be made to feel wrong for voting for a candidate that represents their values. It needs to happen if a 3rd party is ever going to take off. I can't foresee the current GOP ever putting up a candidate that isn't dangerous to our future. I'm not going to vote for every Democrat patsy just because the GOP is 10x more dangerous. I don't see how progress will ever be made that way. Hopefully, people on the other side of the isle start voting 3rd (or 4th) party too.

I'll be voting for Jill Stein.

Tell me more about some Jill Stein.

imagine Bernie but hates guns and very critical of Isreal..

[Riot Randolph]

I voted for Nader too...

I know your vote didn't do this because you live in NY, but votes for Nader gave us President George W. Bush because of Florida. We really went through 8 years of horrible leadership and many died for his wars. They are still dying. Our economy tanked.

We don't have any perfect candidates. But helping to elect a bad one is frightening.

I understand your point. Hillary >>>> Trump, but at some point, we need to stop voting for the lesser of two evils. In most states, a vote for a 3rd party candidate will do nothing to effect the outcome of a general election, thanks to the electoral college. People shouldn't be made to feel wrong for voting for a candidate that represents their values. It needs to happen if a 3rd party is ever going to take off. I can't foresee the current GOP ever putting up a candidate that isn't dangerous to our future. I'm not going to vote for every Democrat patsy just because the GOP is 10x more dangerous. I don't see how progress will ever be made that way. Hopefully, people on the other side of the isle start voting 3rd (or 4th) party too.

I'll be voting for Jill Stein.

can we do that when the other party doesn't have a very popular candidate..