Welcome Okafor: Thread 2

Arsenal · Post #361 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:32 pm

76ciology wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/hoop_76/status/753581321658785792[/tweet]

Prove em wrong

Wrong. Okafor is always going to be what he is as a rookie. I don't see anyone else on that list who improved from their age 19 season.

Arsenal · Post #362 » by **Arsenal** » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:53 pm

Someone should print out all the posts from the Celtics forum bashing Okafor. Give it to him for motivation lol.

Sixteen · Post #363 » by **Sixteen** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:19 am

Arsenal wrote:Someone should print out all the posts from the Celtics forum basing Okafor. Give it to him for motivation lol.

truth18 wrote:Whoa, Okafor is going to be a player.[/quote

FreeDrop wrote:okafor is a stud. Man he's the real deal[/quote

Trippinskarlo wrote:damn son were gonna have to double the rook!

sprash9802 wrote:Philly's front court is scary... Is it blasphemous to suggest their philosophy might actually make sense?

DK-All Day wrote:I'm glad LA passed on Okafor...

Some direct quotes by Celtics fans. Funny how narratives change when fan influenced agendas get involved. Does Jahlil have flaws? Yes, but I guess every other young player is going to improve on theirs except ours. Ours are always giving the worst possible scenerios..because Philly. Jahlil is going to have a nice comeback sophomore season.

lotto29 · Post #364 » by **lotto29** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:34 am

Phila Tough wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Someone should print out all the posts from the Celtics forum basing Okafor. Give it to him for motivation lol.

truth18 wrote:Whoa, Okafor is going to be a player.[/quote

FreeDrop wrote:okafor is a stud. Man he's the real deal[/quote

Some direct quotes by Celtics fans. Funny how narratives change when fan influenced agendas get involved. Does Jahlil have flaws? Yes, but I guess every other young player is going to improve on theirs except ours. Ours are always giving the worst possible scenerios..because Philly. Jahlil is going to have a nice comeback sophomore season.

That's cherry picking at it's best.

Sixteen · Post #365 » by **Sixteen** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:30 am

lotto29 wrote:
Phila Tough wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Someone should print out all the posts from the Celtics forum basing Okafor. Give it to him for motivation lol.

truth18 wrote:Whoa, Okafor is going to be a player.[/quote

Some direct quotes by Celtics fans. Funny how narratives change when fan influenced agendas get involved. Does Jahlil have flaws? Yes, but I guess every other young player is going to improve on theirs except ours. Ours are always giving the worst possible scenerios..because Philly. Jahlil is going to have a nice comeback sophomore season.

That's cherry picking at it's best.

Call it what you want. I get easily annoyed with the poltics on these boards.

truth18 · Post #366 » by **truth18** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:35 am

Yo, can you stop quoting me? Especially when I'm one of the few who defends Okafor? It's not that **** hard to change all the names to "anon" when quoting. I have nothing to do with this conversation. Also, this makes you look petty as hell, and again, I like Okafor (I live in Philly atm and see him live all the time)

Thanks in advance.

NatiboyB · Post #367 » by **NatiboyB** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:17 am

LloydFree wrote:
timLH wrote:I still take Okafor at #3 in redraft. Towns Porzingis Okafor. You can say he is not a modern NBA big, but he is just too talented.

Couldn't get any one of the following in trade for Okafor:

Towns
Porzingis
Jokic
Russell
Booker
Lyles
Turner
Mudiay

So in a re-draft, Okafor goes 9th... 7th tops.

I'd venture to guess that the 76ers wouldn trade Jah of lyles, turner, mudiay, jokic...Jah would likely still be top 5.

Dave321 · Post #368 » by **Dave321** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:49 pm

Any update on Okafor's fitness or his improvement over the summer?

Post #369 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:42 pm

Dave321 wrote:Any update on Okafor's fitness or his improvement over the summer?

We can only really go off of pictures regarding his fitness, what they've been working on isn't usually divulged.

EDIT: To clarify what I was referring to.

Agnostifarian · Post #370 » by **Agnostifarian** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:59 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:
Dave321 wrote:Any update on Okafor's fitness or his improvement over the summer?

We can only really go off of pictures regarding his fitness, usually this stuff isn't divulged.

The team says they think he's completely healthy but he's not in basketball shape. Hence, the "non contact" practice status. I think they announced that yesterday or today.

jrob23 · Post #371 » by **jrob23** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:51 am

I gotta ask why people on here and elsewhere believe that PHI can't keep all the big men. Embid has to actually get on the floor and stay happy. Noel has to improve his offensive game. Simmons is just a rookie. Saric hasn't played in the states yet. Why can't you keep them all and have two very good lineups with little fall off? Also, who started the saying that Okafor isn't a good fit for Simmons? If anything, with his offensive game, good hands, and finishing, Okafor is a great fit. Simmons will find him and feed him the ball in a position to score. You guys should be salivating instead of wanting to deal guys. Embid and Saric can anchor the 2nd unit until acclimated and if they push the starters and overtake them then that's a great problem to have. All of them are blessed with the size, athleticism, and young enough to warrant high picks or players if you do decide to move one or the other. No, the decreased minutes and numbers will not suddenly lower their trade value. People aren't morons. They can see the makeup of the roster and deduce why numbers are down because of opportunity and playing time.

What's happening now imo is G.M. around the league are talking. PHI probably wants a high 2017 pick and teams don't want to give that up. So theres a stalemate. Once the season starts and everyone is playing and healthy, some big will get injured and will come calling. Maybe by then you'll have a better inidication of who these guys are and can be so you can deal the one you can live without.

joyeuxnoel · Post #372 » by **joyeuxnoel** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:10 pm

agree that the best time to trade a big man is at trade deadline

we'll see all how our bigs performed by then and have a much clearer picture on who to trade

Post #373 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:24 pm

jrob23 wrote:I gotta ask why people on here and elsewhere believe that PHI can't keep all the big men.

It is not so much you cannot have that much young talent at the big positions as your list of yong talent at the guard spots is: McConnell, TLC, Stauskas.

That is not great.

Ericb5 · Post #374 » by **Ericb5** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:50 pm

jrob23 wrote:I gotta ask why people on here and elsewhere believe that PHI can't keep all the big men. Embid has to actually get on the floor and stay happy. Noel has to improve his offensive game. Simmons is just a rookie. Saric hasn't played in the states yet. Why can't you keep them all and have two very good lineups with little fall off? Also, who started the saying that Okafor isn't a good fit for Simmons? If anything, with his offensive game, good hands, and finishing, Okafor is a great fit. Simmons will find him and feed him the ball in a position to score. You guys should be salivating instead of wanting to deal guys. Embid and Saric can anchor the 2nd unit until acclimated and if they push the starters and overtake them then that's a great problem to have. All of them are blessed with the size, athleticism, and young enough to warrant high picks or players if you do decide to move one or the other. No, the decreased minutes and numbers will not suddenly lower their trade value. People aren't morons. They can see the makeup of the roster and deduce why numbers are down because of opportunity and playing time.

What's happening now imo is G.M. around the league are talking. PHI probably wants a high 2017 pick and teams don't want to give that up. So theres a stalemate. Once the season starts and everyone is playing and healthy, some big will get injured and will come calling. Maybe by then you'll have a better inidication of who these guys are and can be so you can deal the one you can live without.

The idea that Simmons and Okafor are a bad fit I think comes from the idea that Simmons' best position may be the 4, and that is the only position that Okafor can play on this team long term if Embiid is ok.

If Simmons can defend the 3, and play the 1 on offense then the fit with Okafor is better. It still isn't great though imo.

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sixers23 · Post #375 » by **sixers23** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:04 pm

jrob23 wrote:I gotta ask why people on here and elsewhere believe that PHI can't keep all the big men. Embid has to actually get on the floor and stay happy. Noel has to improve his offensive game. Simmons is just a rookie. Saric hasn't played in the states yet. Why can't you keep them all and have two very good lineups with little fall off? Also, who started the saying that Okafor isn't a good fit for Simmons? If anything, with his offensive game, good hands, and finishing, Okafor is a great fit. Simmons will find him and feed him the ball in a position to score. You guys should be salivating instead of wanting to deal guys. Embid and Saric can anchor the 2nd unit until acclimated and if they push the starters and overtake them then that's a great problem to have. All of them are blessed with the size, athleticism, and young enough to warrant high picks or players if you do decide to move one or the other. No, the decreased minutes and numbers will not suddenly lower their trade value. People aren't morons. They can see the makeup of the roster and deduce why numbers are down because of opportunity and playing time.

What's happening now imo is G.M. around the league are talking. PHI probably wants a high 2017 pick and teams don't want to give that up. So theres a stalemate. Once the season starts and everyone is playing and healthy, some big will get injured and will come calling. Maybe by then you'll have a better inidication of who these guys are and can be so you can deal the one you can live without.

okafor is the worst fit with simmons possible

rzzzzz · Post #376 » by **rzzzzz** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:51 pm

some folks say they're the best fit. we know what they say about opinions. fortunately, it's looking like we'll see how they do together on the court, which is the only thing that counts.

jrob23 · Post #377 » by **jrob23** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:59 pm

sixers23 wrote:
jrob23 wrote:I gotta ask why people on here and elsewhere believe that PHI can't keep all the big men. Embid has to actually get on the floor and stay happy. Noel has to improve his offensive game. Simmons is just a rookie. Saric hasn't played in the states yet. Why can't you keep them all and have two very good lineups with little fall off? Also, who started the saying that Okafor isn't a good fit for Simmons? If anything, with his offensive game, good hands, and finishing, Okafor is a great fit. Simmons will find him and feed him the ball in a position to score. You guys should be salivating instead of wanting to deal guys. Embid and Saric can anchor the 2nd unit until acclimated and if they push the starters and overtake them then that's a great problem to have. All of them are blessed with the size, athleticism, and young enough to warrant high picks or players if you do decide to move one or the other. No, the decreased minutes and numbers will not suddenly lower their trade value. People aren't morons. They can see the makeup of the roster and deduce why numbers are down because of opportunity and playing time.

What's happening now imo is G.M. around the league are talking. PHI probably wants a high 2017 pick and teams don't want to give that up. So theres a stalemate. Once the season starts and everyone is playing and healthy, some big will get injured and will come calling. Maybe by then you'll have a better inidication of who these guys are and can be so you can deal the one you can live without.

okafor is the worst fit with simmons possible

very atute observation. insightful. Care to back it up with reasons why?

sixers23 · Post #378 » by **sixers23** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:41 pm

jrob23 wrote:
sixers23 wrote:
jrob23 wrote:I gotta ask why people on here and elsewhere believe that PHI can't keep all the big men. Embid has to actually get on the floor and stay happy. Noel has to improve his offensive game. Simmons is just a rookie. Saric hasn't played in the states yet. Why can't you keep them all and have two very good lineups with little fall off? Also, who started the saying that Okafor isn't a good fit for Simmons? If anything, with his offensive game, good hands, and finishing, Okafor is a great fit. Simmons will find him and feed him the ball in a position to score. You guys should be salivating instead of wanting to deal guys. Embid and Saric can anchor the 2nd unit until acclimated and if they push the starters and overtake them then that's a great problem to have. All of them are blessed with the size, athleticism, and young enough to warrant high picks or players if you do decide to move one or the other. No, the decreased minutes and numbers will not suddenly lower their trade value. People aren't morons. They can see the makeup of the roster and deduce why numbers are down because of opportunity and playing time.

What's happening now imo is G.M. around the league are talking. PHI probably wants a high 2017 pick and teams don't want to give that up. So theres a stalemate. Once the season starts and everyone is playing and healthy, some big will get injured and will come calling. Maybe by then you'll have a better inidication of who these guys are and can be so you can deal the one you can live without.

okafor is the worst fit with simmons possible

very atute observation. insightful. Care to back it up with reasons why?

https://theringer.com/who-wants-jahlil-okafor-303e9d13169#.vo00nuaew

this article lays it out pretty well

freshie2 · Post #379 » by **freshie2** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:30 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
jrob23 wrote:I gotta ask why people on here and elsewhere believe that PHI can't keep all the big men.

It is not so much you cannot have that much young talent at the big positions as your list of yong talent at the guard spots is: McConnell, TLC, Stauskas.

That is not great.

We should shift our thinking a bit. It really is big men with good hands and shooters. Simmons makes McConnell irrelevant, and you go with wings that prove they can hit the three (tlc, Stauskas, Thompson, Covington, Bayless, Henderson). Whoever is hot and defends plays.

Embiid and Okafor are your offensive bigs, and may not be a good pairing, so you mix and match with Noel, Saric, Grant and Holmes as potential pieces to round out the 5 on the court. Regardless of era, a big that can score efficiently is an asset, so Okafor if nothing else anchors the second unit with that presence. If you get a kings ransom, I'm ok with a trade, but you don't trade Okafor just for the sake of roster movement.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #380 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:35 pm

We won't know if Okafor fits until he plays. It's just like a science experiment. You can do all the calculations and prep, but not everything goes according to play. Not to mention sports is an inexact science in the first place.

We can speculate all we want, but the fact people want to jettison him before we even see how it all fits is pretty laughable. You don't get rid of talent guys on hunches. If they can get back a really nice piece for Okafor, that's a totally different issue, but some people want to get rid of him because they are so sure he won't fit based off inexact and speculatory analytical nonsense.

Egotism at its finest.