Blake Griffin in OKC in 2017?

[Kizz Fastfists]

If he always wanted out of Oklahoma, why did he go to OU?

To play with his brother. The same reason he stayed a 2nd season. Which is why I said that OKC could offer to throw away a roster spot on his brother and it might get him to consider it.

[Fam1019]

Almost hate to say this, as much as I like robes, if we do wind up somehow getting Hayward and Millsap, then robes is not needed as much and it's possible we let him go. We would have hayward at sf. Dipo and abrines at sg. We can probably just grab a cheap back up small forward.

[spearsy23]

Almost hate to say this, as much as I like robes, if we do wind up somehow getting Hayward and Millsap, then robes is not needed as much and it's possible we let him go. We would have hayward at sf. Dipo and abrines at sg. We can probably just grab a cheap back up small forward.

The only way we could get Gordon and Millsap would be if either Adams or Oladipo was moved.

[bwgood77]

I've thrown a glance at your next year cap, with some precise salary and player managment (getting rid of Kanter and Singler, as it seems it was already set up; asking Robes, Dipo and Adams to wait on their extensions until you sign FAs) you could possibly add both Hayward and Millsap.

It would be a very nice team then, could maybe even challenge GSW

I haven't looked at the actual numbers but I'm almost certain it won't be possible to add two max contracts. Even if it WAS possible, there's no way the franchise would add two max guys then be able to pay Adams, Oladipo, and roberson.

Yeah.

Next year we have 7 players under contract: Kanter, Abrines, Sabonis, McGary, Singler, Payne and Huestis. Their salaries combined come to $38,969,538 (with estimated numbers for Abrines and Sabonis).

Assuming Waiters is gone and we cut the cap holds of Ilyasova, Morrow, Collison and whatever short-term players we had (I'm leaving holds for Westbrook, Dipo, Adams and Robes) our total salary plus necessary cap holds comes to $92,038,494.

Drop Kanter/Singler and your total with cap holds comes down to $69,487,818.

Projected cap next year is $102mil. That leaves roughly 32mil of cap space if you renounce exceptions too, although there are roster charges that probably drop that back to around $29mil (since if you're under a certain number of players you get charged a placeholder salary for everyone short of a 12-man roster).

Projected maxes based on this CBA are $25mil, $30mil, $35mil based on seniority. Ain't no way we're getting 2.

So considering the source of this report is Woj, do you think he is wrong? Can they not sign Blake into cap space and then re-sign Westbrook with bird rights?

[spearsy23]

I haven't looked at the actual numbers but I'm almost certain it won't be possible to add two max contracts. Even if it WAS possible, there's no way the franchise would add two max guys then be able to pay Adams, Oladipo, and roberson.

Yeah.

Next year we have 7 players under contract: Kanter, Abrines, Sabonis, McGary, Singler, Payne and Huestis. Their salaries combined come to $38,969,538 (with estimated numbers for Abrines and Sabonis).

Assuming Waiters is gone and we cut the cap holds of Ilyasova, Morrow, Collison and whatever short-term players we had (I'm leaving holds for Westbrook, Dipo, Adams and Robes) our total salary plus necessary cap holds comes to $92,038,494.

Drop Kanter/Singler and your total with cap holds comes down to $69,487,818.

Projected cap next year is $102mil. That leaves roughly 32mil of cap space if you renounce exceptions too, although there are roster charges that probably drop that back to around $29mil (since if you're under a certain number of players you get charged a placeholder salary for everyone short of a 12-man roster).

Projected maxes based on this CBA are $25mil, $30mil, $35mil based on seniority. Ain't no way we're getting 2.

So considering the source of this report is Woj, do you think he is wrong? Can they not sign Blake into cap space and then re-sign Westbrook with bird rights?

We could make space for one max yeah.

[Andre Roberstan]

Yeah.

Next year we have 7 players under contract: Kanter, Abrines, Sabonis, McGary, Singler, Payne and Huestis. Their salaries combined come to $38,969,538 (with estimated numbers for Abrines and Sabonis).

Assuming Waiters is gone and we cut the cap holds of Ilyasova, Morrow, Collison and whatever short-term players we had (I'm leaving holds for Westbrook, Dipo, Adams and Robes) our total salary plus necessary cap holds comes to $92,038,494.

Drop Kanter/Singler and your total with cap holds comes down to $69,487,818.

Projected cap next year is $102mil. That leaves roughly 32mil of cap space if you renounce exceptions too, although there are roster charges that probably drop that back to around $29mil (since if you're under a certain number of players you get charged a placeholder salary for everyone short of a 12-man roster).

Projected maxes based on this CBA are $25mil, $30mil, $35mil based on seniority. Ain't no way we're getting 2.

So considering the source of this report is Woj, do you think he is wrong? Can they not sign Blake into cap space and then re-sign Westbrook with bird rights?

We could make space for one max yeah.

They can. Cap will probably go up a hair, and I doubt Mitch remains. Also think they might let Roberson walk if Huestis improves or there's some vet min/MLE interest from a decent wing.

[bwgood77]

Yeah.

Next year we have 7 players under contract: Kanter, Abrines, Sabonis, McGary, Singler, Payne and Huestis. Their salaries combined come to $38,969,538 (with estimated numbers for Abrines and Sabonis).

Assuming Waiters is gone and we cut the cap holds of Ilyasova, Morrow, Collison and whatever short-term players we had (I'm leaving holds for Westbrook, Dipo, Adams and Robes) our total salary plus necessary cap holds comes to $92,038,494.

Drop Kanter/Singler and your total with cap holds comes down to $69,487,818.

Projected cap next year is $102mil. That leaves roughly 32mil of cap space if you renounce exceptions too, although there are roster charges that probably drop that back to around $29mil (since if you're under a certain number of players you get charged a placeholder salary for everyone short of a 12-man roster).

Projected maxes based on this CBA are $25mil, $30mil, $35mil based on seniority. Ain't no way we're getting 2.

So considering the source of this report is Woj, do you think he is wrong? Can they not sign Blake into cap space and then re-sign Westbrook with bird rights?

We could make space for one max yeah.

So yes one max space and then resign Westbrook with bird rights.

[Andre Roberstan]

So considering the source of this report is Woj, do you think he is wrong? Can they not sign Blake into cap space and then re-sign Westbrook with bird rights?

We could make space for one max yeah.

So yes one max space and then resign Westbrook with bird rights.

Yup. We'd have to wait to re-sign Westbrook to take advantage of the extra little bit of space that his cap hold provided over a max contract. But it's doable, especially if Roberson were headed out.

[spearsy23]

So considering the source of this report is Woj, do you think he is wrong? Can they not sign Blake into cap space and then re-sign Westbrook with bird rights?

We could make space for one max yeah.

They can. Cap will probably go up a hair, and I doubt Mitch remains. Also think they might let Roberson walk if Huestis improves or there's some vet min/MLE interest from a decent wing.

That's a very optimistic view of huestis, one I think you're pretty much alone on. He's unlikely to stick in the league, let alone be a rotation piece.

[Andre Roberstan]

That's a very optimistic view of huestis, one I think you're pretty much alone on. He's unlikely to stick in the league, let alone be a rotation piece.

Yeah, I'm probably higher on him than most.

[realEAST]

Yeah.

Next year we have 7 players under contract: Kanter, Abrines, Sabonis, McGary, Singler, Payne and Huestis. Their salaries combined come to $38,969,538 (with estimated numbers for Abrines and Sabonis).

Assuming Waiters is gone and we cut the cap holds of Ilyasova, Morrow, Collison and whatever short-term players we had (I'm leaving holds for Westbrook, Dipo, Adams and Robes) our total salary plus necessary cap holds comes to $92,038,494.

Drop Kanter/Singler and your total with cap holds comes down to $69,487,818.

Projected cap next year is $102mil. That leaves roughly 32mil of cap space if you renounce exceptions too, although there are roster charges that probably drop that back to around $29mil (since if you're under a certain number of players you get charged a placeholder salary for everyone short of a 12-man roster).

Projected maxes based on this CBA are $25mil, $30mil, $35mil based on seniority. Ain't no way we're getting 2.

As I said, just threw a glance, but either way I miscalculated it greatly then...I somehow dug up 45 mil space and was working under assumption they would take slightly less money (25+20) to really contend. Too bad.

Did you count QOs instead of cap holds?

It is possible that I miscalculated cap holds, I was rounding numbers roughly and also considered Husetis won't be extended, and Robes might bi sacrificed as well. It was all rough that's why imprecise.

But another player worth looking at next offseason will be Porter jr. IMO, can turn out to be really nice wing

[Kizz Fastfists]

I don't think Washington gives up on Otto Porter unless he gets a significant offer. Especially if he takes another step forward this year after having a strong season last year. He'll be a RFA. I like Porter as a buy low guy, but I don't see Washington trading him for anything reasonable, at this point, and I think it would take a bigger offer to steal him from Washington than it would to keep Roberson. Washington has a few players I like. Oubre, Porter, Morris and Gortat could all be nice additions for OKC if they could get some combination of them for some combination of Kanter, McGary, Morrow and Singler.

[Kizz Fastfists]

[It is possible that I miscalculated cap holds, I was rounding numbers roughly and also considered Husetis won't be extended, and Robes might bi sacrificed as well. It was all rough that's why imprecise.

Huestis will be back. I'm not sure if you included Sabonis. It is also very likely you miscalculated because a lot of the listed cap holds are not accurate. Any cap hold for a max player, like Russ, is not accurate because the hold will be a max contract. If you were watching the cap holds on spotrac this off-season they almost all jumped significantly when they were updated with the new cap. The idea that OKC could add two max players would be based on Russ having a cap hold based on the old max scale and not the new.

[Andre Roberstan]

[It is possible that I miscalculated cap holds, I was rounding numbers roughly and also considered Husetis won't be extended, and Robes might bi sacrificed as well. It was all rough that's why imprecise.

Huestis will be back. I'm not sure if you included Sabonis. It is also very likely you miscalculated because a lot of the listed cap holds are not accurate. Any cap hold for a max player, like Russ, is not accurate because the hold will be a max contract. If you were watching the cap holds on spotrac this off-season they almost all jumped significantly when they were updated with the new cap. The idea that OKC could add two max players would be based on Russ having a cap hold based on the old max scale and not the new.

Russ's cap hold isn't actually a max, it's about 2 or 3 mil short of the approximate max next year—$26,654,061. Since he's a Bird free agent who's not coming off a rookie scale contract, it's 150% of the previous year's salary.

It's capped at the max, but if my quick and dirty calculation is right, there are only a few free agents who will be capped at the league max for their tier. Maybe only Bron and KD (1+1 under booming cap means that 150% is easily higher than the 10-year max).

[Kizz Fastfists]

While Russ might be just under a max on the hold I was making the point about sources for the hold. Spotrac currently has his hold listed at $18.6M. Obviously, if you are using that OKC will have more room in your calculations than in reality. Russ' hold looks like it will be around $2M under the projected max. I'd always rather estimate high than low, but that's just me.

As for kd, as a non-bird, his hold will be 120%. That will likely be less than his max since he'll jump to a 35% max in addition to the cap jump. Since they won't have bird rights it won't really matter. Whoever signs him next off-season will have to use cap space. Yes, I'm nitpicking your minor inaccuracy because you nitpicked mine.

[Andre Roberstan]

While Russ might be just under a max on the hold I was making the point about sources for the hold. Spotrac currently has his hold listed at $18.6M. Obviously, if you are using that OKC will have more room in your calculations than in reality. Russ' hold looks like it will be around $2M under the projected max. I'd always rather estimate high than low, but that's just me.

As for kd, as a non-bird, his hold will be 120%. That will likely be less than his max since he'll jump to a 35% max in addition to the cap jump. Since they won't have bird rights it won't really matter. Whoever signs him next off-season will have to use cap space. Yes, I'm nitpicking your minor inaccuracy because you nitpicked mine.

Fair enough

Totally forgot those two were non-Bird.

I normally use Basketball Insiders, since Eric Pincus is usually really good about keeping it up to date. Spotrac has gotten some things wrong in the past. Smitty's salary sheets are great too, I just prefer BBI because it's easier to navigate. I keep my own running salary Google doc based on BBI so that I can run scenarios against it.

[neutralfan]

Would be best case scenario for Thunder if it happened. They'd be a decent sf away from competing.