Official Caris LeVert Thread

[MrDollarBills]

Im pretty sure King could have signed Atkinson as coach.

Booker never played in San Antonio or Atlanta. Marks knows him because they were teammates from Washington in Marks last season.

This isnt youth basketball. Marks doesnt get a participation trophy for trying to sign someone.

We lost Kidd because of Kidd, not King.

Mark's only big move (Lin) is accredited to Atkinson. I dont want to here about how hard it is to be our GM when he made a move for more cap space and didnt use it. Everything Marks is doing looks to be a cost cutting measure by the owner and Marks is just the lackey trying to sell it to us. King had a better offseason last year by getting RHJ via trade. Marks has done nothing that deserves praise. He looks every bit of the inexperienced executive he is. He lost the trade with Indy. He reached on his draft pick. He didnt sign anyone significant. He didnt sign anyone young who can be viewed as a cornerstone for the future. You know he is doing a bad job when you can look back at what King has done fondly.

You're the only one looking back at King fondly, which is madness.

Yes, I agree about Marks' effing up the trade with Thad. but to try to spin this into Billy King being some great GM at this juncture is asinine.

Billy King never signed any big name talent during his tenure. The only thing he was doing was getting raped in trades left and right.

Wake me up when Marks makes a good move. All this praise for a guy who is throwing away this year because he cant close.
- Couldn't close Sergio Rodriguez
- Couldn't close on the trade for Calderon
- Couldn't close on Jared Dudley
- Couldn't close on Marvin Williams
- Couldn't close on Jamal Crawford
- Couldn't close on Kent Bazemore
- Couldn't close on Al Horford

Don't try to spin it that we are better off without any of these guys. These were all guys Marks targeted and failed on. I didn't even include the 3 RFA he wiffed on in Crabbe, TJ and Powell. Marks is awful at his job.

That doesn't indicate anything.

NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE **** ING NETS!!

YOU are the one who thinks that we had a shot at every FA and their mother would sign here. You were the one saying DURANT's name in threads leading up to free agency for months, as if that was even remotely feasible.

Look at the names you're getting upset about.

And Al Horford was never coming here. You're being either delusional or dishonest. Yeah, it would been great to sign them but oh well. Marks' failure was not being able to get a decent return on value with the Young trade. Otherwise, I'm not holding his feet to the fire because guys don't want to play here.

What, you would have preferred he gave Bazemore or Marvin Williams 94 million dollar deals?

We're not better off. But I'm not going to get mad about people who dont want to play here. The Miami and Portland RFA moves...he tried, and had Pat Riley not played himself and called Dwayne Wade's bluff, Tyler Johnson would be a Net.

No one wants to play for this **** team. Blame Billy King and Mikhail Prokhorov for being idiots over the last 4-5 years.

[Mosdefinition]

We lost Kidd because Kidd saw how f'd we were with King and demanded authority over him. Also, Kings "boy", Schwartz, helped Kidd tamper his way out of Brooklyn. Also, enough with not giving Marks credit for signing Crabbe and TJ to offer sheets. That's intentionally being petty just because you want to prove your point.

and you see what the hell kidds done with authority his big signing he tried to trade after less than a year

pretty much every move hes made with control has been a disaster

kidd left because he was a piss of ****

he was probably one of the dumbest hiring for that team which should have gotten to atleast the conference finals

[Mosdefinition]

So youre saying you actually approved of Billy Kings quick fixes and Overpaying so we could hover around mediocrity, as the rest of our organization fell apart? The sh*t that put us in this mess is what you would rather want? Lol.

Those types of moves aren't worth it. They put us into this situation. Who cares what his winning percentage was or how it was nice to watch a team that should win 60 games win 45 (dont lie, those teams made us all want to pull our hair out). Look at the end result. Look where we are now. Look how badly you want to be out of this situation.

The definition of insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

The only move people criticized at the time was the minimum predictions placed the lilard pick and once again it bares repeating they had at the time a guy who was considered one of the 2 best point guards in the game so they never would have drafted him.

As for the Boston trade you cant find a single article at the time that criticized that trade except maybe dave d at the star ledger

Everyone was for it fans and media even Boston fan bill simmons called it pennies on the dollar

I'm not going to go back with hind sight about that trade because we were all for it.

As for the joe Johnson trade who even remembers who was taken with that pick

The end result of this season is Boston getting a second lottery pick because marks put together what looks like a 20 win team

I'm not saying i wasn't all for it either. But after seeing the end result and how every one of those quick fix moves F'd us over, I wouldn't be all for it now. Neither should you.

I don't understand what you're saying really. You're saying you were all for the quick fix moves, but you're admitting that they didn't go as planned. Now you're all for these types of moves again, but don't expect a repeat of a downward spiral?


As for the Joe Johnson trade it doesn't matter who was taken ( I think it was Oubre and traded to Washington) because the point is we traded a pick we didn't have to throw in as an overpay, and ended up dropping from mid first round to #29

there are no draft picks being bad to "build a culture" as the other site loves to say makes no sense

there were guys they could get like barnes like turner nba player that would get you close to the playoffs

that maybe a team with buyers remorse during the season would sell someone they signed in the offseason

but now we are stuck with this bull this season because hes building a culture

mind you hes building a culture with players he didnt draft

[ChokeFasncists]

Im pretty sure King could have signed Atkinson as coach.

Booker never played in San Antonio or Atlanta. Marks knows him because they were teammates from Washington in Marks last season.

This isnt youth basketball. Marks doesnt get a participation trophy for trying to sign someone.

We lost Kidd because of Kidd, not King.

Mark's only big move (Lin) is accredited to Atkinson. I dont want to here about how hard it is to be our GM when he made a move for more cap space and didnt use it. Everything Marks is doing looks to be a cost cutting measure by the owner and Marks is just the lackey trying to sell it to us. King had a better offseason last year by getting RHJ via trade. Marks has done nothing that deserves praise. He looks every bit of the inexperienced executive he is. He lost the trade with Indy. He reached on his draft pick. He didnt sign anyone significant. He didnt sign anyone young who can be viewed as a cornerstone for the future. You know he is doing a bad job when you can look back at what King has done fondly.

You're the only one looking back at King fondly, which is madness.

Yes, I agree about Marks' effing up the trade with Thad. but to try to spin this into Billy King being some great GM at this juncture is asinine.

Billy King never signed any big name talent during his tenure. The only thing he was doing was getting raped in trades left and right.

Wake me up when Marks makes a good move. All this praise for a guy who is throwing away this year because he cant close.
- Couldn't close Sergio Rodriguez
- Couldn't close on the trade for Calderon
- Couldn't close on Jared Dudley
- Couldn't close on Marvin Williams
- Couldn't close on Jamal Crawford
- Couldn't close on Kent Bazemore
- Couldn't close on Al Horford

Don't try to spin it that we are better off without any of these guys. These were all guys Marks targeted and failed on. I didn't even include the 3 RFA he wiffed on in Crabbe, TJ and Powell. Marks is awful at his job.

Cuz of the cap hike, there are like 20 something teams going after those guys. So all of them have bad GMs?

King is a lucky guy. Even after all that bad he's done, he still has fans! Unbelievable!

[ChokeFasncists]

He lost the trade with Indy. He reached on his draft pick.

Don't forget tho, Marks has inside knowledge to LeVert's injury.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=48794670#p48794670

[Ror1997]

The only move people criticized at the time was the minimum predictions placed the lilard pick and once again it bares repeating they had at the time a guy who was considered one of the 2 best point guards in the game so they never would have drafted him.

As for the Boston trade you cant find a single article at the time that criticized that trade except maybe dave d at the star ledger

Everyone was for it fans and media even Boston fan bill simmons called it pennies on the dollar

I'm not going to go back with hind sight about that trade because we were all for it.

As for the joe Johnson trade who even remembers who was taken with that pick

The end result of this season is Boston getting a second lottery pick because marks put together what looks like a 20 win team

I'm not saying i wasn't all for it either. But after seeing the end result and how every one of those quick fix moves F'd us over, I wouldn't be all for it now. Neither should you.

I don't understand what you're saying really. You're saying you were all for the quick fix moves, but you're admitting that they didn't go as planned. Now you're all for these types of moves again, but don't expect a repeat of a downward spiral?


As for the Joe Johnson trade it doesn't matter who was taken ( I think it was Oubre and traded to Washington) because the point is we traded a pick we didn't have to throw in as an overpay, and ended up dropping from mid first round to #29

there are no draft picks being bad to "build a culture" as the other site loves to say makes no sense

there were guys they could get like barnes like turner nba player that would get you close to the playoffs

that maybe a team with buyers remorse during the season would sell someone they signed in the offseason

but now we are stuck with this bull this season because hes building a culture

mind you hes building a culture with players he didnt draft

Not even arguing with you anymore because you just keep making me repeat myself, and acting like I don't understand what I'm saying. Until you understand there are no quick fixes, and that we can't rebuild and compete at the same time theres no point in trying to explain anything to you.

[MrDollarBills]

The only move people criticized at the time was the minimum predictions placed the lilard pick and once again it bares repeating they had at the time a guy who was considered one of the 2 best point guards in the game so they never would have drafted him.

As for the Boston trade you cant find a single article at the time that criticized that trade except maybe dave d at the star ledger

Everyone was for it fans and media even Boston fan bill simmons called it pennies on the dollar

I'm not going to go back with hind sight about that trade because we were all for it.

As for the joe Johnson trade who even remembers who was taken with that pick

The end result of this season is Boston getting a second lottery pick because marks put together what looks like a 20 win team

I'm not saying i wasn't all for it either. But after seeing the end result and how every one of those quick fix moves F'd us over, I wouldn't be all for it now. Neither should you.

I don't understand what you're saying really. You're saying you were all for the quick fix moves, but you're admitting that they didn't go as planned. Now you're all for these types of moves again, but don't expect a repeat of a downward spiral?


As for the Joe Johnson trade it doesn't matter who was taken ( I think it was Oubre and traded to Washington) because the point is we traded a pick we didn't have to throw in as an overpay, and ended up dropping from mid first round to #29

there are no draft picks being bad to "build a culture" as the other site loves to say makes no sense

there were guys they could get like barnes like turner nba player that would get you close to the playoffs

that maybe a team with buyers remorse during the season would sell someone they signed in the offseason

but now we are stuck with this bull this season because hes building a culture

mind you hes building a culture with players he didnt draft

Harrison Barnes and Evan Turner aren't getting this team close to the playoffs.

Barnes was putrid last season. And in the finals he was horrific. Mark Cuban & Paul Allen will be the first ones to ask for an amnesty clause in the new CBA when he and his cronies lock the players out

[Prokorov]

You're the only one looking back at King fondly, which is madness.

Yes, I agree about Marks' effing up the trade with Thad. but to try to spin this into Billy King being some great GM at this juncture is asinine.

Billy King never signed any big name talent during his tenure. The only thing he was doing was getting raped in trades left and right.

Wake me up when Marks makes a good move. All this praise for a guy who is throwing away this year because he cant close.
- Couldn't close Sergio Rodriguez
- Couldn't close on the trade for Calderon
- Couldn't close on Jared Dudley
- Couldn't close on Marvin Williams
- Couldn't close on Jamal Crawford
- Couldn't close on Kent Bazemore
- Couldn't close on Al Horford

Don't try to spin it that we are better off without any of these guys. These were all guys Marks targeted and failed on. I didn't even include the 3 RFA he wiffed on in Crabbe, TJ and Powell. Marks is awful at his job.

That doesn't indicate anything.

NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE **** ING NETS!!

YOU are the one who thinks that we had a shot at every FA and their mother would sign here. You were the one saying DURANT's name in threads leading up to free agency for months, as if that was even remotely feasible.

Look at the names you're getting upset about.

And Al Horford was never coming here. You're being either delusional or dishonest. Yeah, it would been great to sign them but oh well. Marks' failure was not being able to get a decent return on value with the Young trade. Otherwise, I'm not holding his feet to the fire because guys don't want to play here.

What, you would have preferred he gave Bazemore or Marvin Williams 94 million dollar deals?

We're not better off. But I'm not going to get mad about people who dont want to play here. The Miami and Portland RFA moves...he tried, and had Pat Riley not played himself and called Dwayne Wade's bluff, Tyler Johnson would be a Net.

No one wants to play for this **** team. Blame Billy King and Mikhail Prokhorov for being idiots over the last 4-5 years.

i understand "no one wants to play for the nets".... but isnt the point of a GM to convince guys otherwise? I mean thats basically their job in free agency as salesman. he couldnt convince those ANY of those guys, and more importantly, his pitches were beyond pathetic, with some embrassing offers that likely come back hurt him once he gets the rep of being tight with money.

i dont get praising a guy for doing nothing just because the expectations were super low. sure, maybe dont hate on him, but the guy has done literally nothing but trade away our second best player for cap space to not use the cap space.

anything but a D+ or lower grade for marks is bananaland.

[Prokorov]

I'm not saying i wasn't all for it either. But after seeing the end result and how every one of those quick fix moves F'd us over, I wouldn't be all for it now. Neither should you.

I don't understand what you're saying really. You're saying you were all for the quick fix moves, but you're admitting that they didn't go as planned. Now you're all for these types of moves again, but don't expect a repeat of a downward spiral?


As for the Joe Johnson trade it doesn't matter who was taken ( I think it was Oubre and traded to Washington) because the point is we traded a pick we didn't have to throw in as an overpay, and ended up dropping from mid first round to #29

there are no draft picks being bad to "build a culture" as the other site loves to say makes no sense

there were guys they could get like barnes like turner nba player that would get you close to the playoffs

that maybe a team with buyers remorse during the season would sell someone they signed in the offseason

but now we are stuck with this bull this season because hes building a culture

mind you hes building a culture with players he didnt draft

Harrison Barnes and Evan Turner aren't getting this team close to the playoffs.

Barnes was putrid last season. And in the finals he was horrific. Mark Cuban & Paul Allen will be the first ones to ask for an amnesty clause in the new CBA when he and his cronies lock the players out

im not a big barnes guy, but he is like 10 times better then booker and a 2 way player. he is a legit nba starter, unlike the other 4 guys currently on the floor wiht lopez. i think if we added barnes/parsons thats a playoff calibur team.

[ChokeFasncists]

the guy has done literally nothing but trade away our second best player for cap space to not use the cap space.

When the second best player is on the worst non-tanking team in the league, it doesn't mean much.

The cap space was used to pursue RFAs, it didn't work, it's too bad.

LeVert could turn out to be real good.

[ChokeFasncists]

there are no draft picks being bad to "build a culture" as the other site loves to say makes no sense

there were guys they could get like barnes like turner nba player that would get you close to the playoffs

that maybe a team with buyers remorse during the season would sell someone they signed in the offseason

but now we are stuck with this bull this season because hes building a culture

mind you hes building a culture with players he didnt draft

Harrison Barnes and Evan Turner aren't getting this team close to the playoffs.

Barnes was putrid last season. And in the finals he was horrific. Mark Cuban & Paul Allen will be the first ones to ask for an amnesty clause in the new CBA when he and his cronies lock the players out

im not a big barnes guy, but he is like 10 times better then booker and a 2 way player. he is a legit nba starter, unlike the other 4 guys currently on the floor wiht lopez. i think if we added barnes/parsons thats a playoff calibur team.

When non-King teams give these two max, they'd take it over a King team.

[Kaiser30]

i understand "no one wants to play for the nets".... but isnt the point of a GM to convince guys otherwise? I mean thats basically their job in free agency as salesman. he couldnt convince those ANY of those guys, and more importantly, his pitches were beyond pathetic, with some embrassing offers that likely come back hurt him once he gets the rep of being tight with money.

Pathetic pitches? There is zero information about his pitches or did you actually attend his free agency meetings?
Embarrassing offers? Well, agents of Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe disagree. I guess the other player's agents as well when their clients eventually took less money to stay on their team.

[Prokorov]

the guy has done literally nothing but trade away our second best player for cap space to not use the cap space.

When the second best player is on the worst non-tanking team in the league, it doesn't mean much.

The cap space was used to pursue RFAs, it didn't work, it's too bad.

LeVert could turn out to be real good.

I agree it doesnt mean much as far as "we will suck either way"

but it still has to be looked at as a botched trade. we traded for cap space and then wasted that cap space. thats not a positive. and "its too bad" doesnt work when you are the GM of a 500 million dollar franchise. maybe if we are playing checkers and you beat me im like "its too bad"... botching a trade when you are already WAAAAY behind has more consequences then "its too bad"

Marks has done nothing. we needed a GM who was going to be able to overcome the situation a bit. he hasnt.

[Prokorov]

i understand "no one wants to play for the nets".... but isnt the point of a GM to convince guys otherwise? I mean thats basically their job in free agency as salesman. he couldnt convince those ANY of those guys, and more importantly, his pitches were beyond pathetic, with some embrassing offers that likely come back hurt him once he gets the rep of being tight with money.

Pathetic pitches? There is zero information about his pitches or did you actually attend his free agency meetings?
Embarrassing offers? Well, agents of Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe disagree. I guess the other player's agents as well when their clients eventually took less money to stay on their team.

They were beyond embarassing offers.... you can be the GM of a super undesireable situation and then offer to pay what everyone else is offering.

thats like if i came you and said id offer you exactly what you make now, only instead of what you do now you havw to cleanup feces all day. of course you say now. but if i offer you 25% more then what you make, maybe you consider it.

marks wants people to clean up feces for what they can make to play elsewhere. thats embarassing.

give me a GM who can get someone to sign despite the situation.

[ChokeFasncists]

the guy has done literally nothing but trade away our second best player for cap space to not use the cap space.

When the second best player is on the worst non-tanking team in the league, it doesn't mean much.

The cap space was used to pursue RFAs, it didn't work, it's too bad.

LeVert could turn out to be real good.

I agree it doesnt mean much as far as "we will suck either way"

but it still has to be looked at as a botched trade. we traded for cap space and then wasted that cap space. thats not a positive. and "its too bad" doesnt work when you are the GM of a 500 million dollar franchise. maybe if we are playing checkers and you beat me im like "its too bad"... botching a trade when you are already WAAAAY behind has more consequences then "its too bad"

Marks has done nothing. we needed a GM who was going to be able to overcome the situation a bit. he hasnt.

OK, so Thad isn't a very good player. Trading him means having the possibility of landing young players with upside. It didn't happen. But LeVert could end up a better player. What not to like? If he is healthy and can play D it's a good trade.

[Prokorov]

OK, so Thad isn't a very good player. Trading him means having the possibility of landing young players with upside. It didn't happen. But LeVert could end up a better player. What not to like? If he is healthy and can play D it's a good trade.

i was all for the thad trade... lvoed it... but i assumed marks wouldnt waste the cap room on F tier scrubs like hamilton and booker. but he did. making the trade a monumental failure as that money was needed to upgrade the wings. only he got no wings.

Levert is irrelevant. trade was about the cap space. he is a minor throw in and a longshot to be mroe then a role player

[Kaiser30]

They were beyond embarassing offers.... you can be the GM of a super undesireable situation and then offer to pay what everyone else is offering.

thats like if i came you and said id offer you exactly what you make now, only instead of what you do now you havw to cleanup feces all day. of course you say now. but if i offer you 25% more then what you make, maybe you consider it.

marks wants people to clean up feces for what they can make to play elsewhere. thats embarassing.

give me a GM who can get someone to sign despite the situation.

Well, they would still be paid to play basketball instead of cleaning up and it's still New York we are talking about. He offered good money, but the players decided to stay put, it just happens. And for many reasons. On the other hand, why do you want players on the roster who only join this team because of money they couldn't get elsewhere?

To me, embarrassing is what teams like the Lakers did. Signing 30+ and injury prone players to hefty four year deals. This approach takes you nowhere and results in being a treadmill team for years. Marks is spending the money wisely and building a proper foundation with which I'm okay with at the moment. Nothing to be enthusiastic about, but also no reason to continuously bash his skills as a GM. As far as I know, most of the experts rate the Nets offseason as pretty good despite projecting another bad season.

[kamaze]

Wake me up when Marks makes a good move. All this praise for a guy who is throwing away this year because he cant close.
- Couldn't close Sergio Rodriguez
- Couldn't close on the trade for Calderon
- Couldn't close on Jared Dudley
- Couldn't close on Marvin Williams
- Couldn't close on Jamal Crawford
- Couldn't close on Kent Bazemore
- Couldn't close on Al Horford

Don't try to spin it that we are better off without any of these guys. These were all guys Marks targeted and failed on. I didn't even include the 3 RFA he wiffed on in Crabbe, TJ and Powell. Marks is awful at his job.

That doesn't indicate anything.

NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY FOR THE **** ING NETS!!

YOU are the one who thinks that we had a shot at every FA and their mother would sign here. You were the one saying DURANT's name in threads leading up to free agency for months, as if that was even remotely feasible.

Look at the names you're getting upset about.

And Al Horford was never coming here. You're being either delusional or dishonest. Yeah, it would been great to sign them but oh well. Marks' failure was not being able to get a decent return on value with the Young trade. Otherwise, I'm not holding his feet to the fire because guys don't want to play here.

What, you would have preferred he gave Bazemore or Marvin Williams 94 million dollar deals?

We're not better off. But I'm not going to get mad about people who dont want to play here. The Miami and Portland RFA moves...he tried, and had Pat Riley not played himself and called Dwayne Wade's bluff, Tyler Johnson would be a Net.

No one wants to play for this **** team. Blame Billy King and Mikhail Prokhorov for being idiots over the last 4-5 years.

i understand "no one wants to play for the nets".... but isnt the point of a GM to convince guys otherwise? I mean thats basically their job in free agency as salesman. he couldnt convince those ANY of those guys, and more importantly, his pitches were beyond pathetic, with some embrassing offers that likely come back hurt him once he gets the rep of being tight with money.

i dont get praising a guy for doing nothing just because the expectations were super low. sure, maybe dont hate on him, but the guy has done literally nothing but trade away our second best player for cap space to not use the cap space.

anything but a D+ or lower grade for marks is bananaland.

He warned us before free agency it would be hard to get free agents to come here... With the team's reputation and not having draft picks what he's doing; signing a bunch of projects and hoping one or more of them work out; is a start. I applaud him for at least having a game plan that makes sense.

Can't knock him for the Thad trade before the paint dries we haven't even seen what this team might look like in the future. He's stuck between a rock an a hard place what did people expect him to build with a capped out roster? He had to move a contract for flexibility.

It's not his fault we're still paying Deron Williams and had to waive Joe Johnson (should've traded him sooner) nor is it that we only have ONE 1st round draft pick the next 3 years and it's a swap with a playoff team. Curse out Billy King and ownership they dragged this franchise through the mud.

[kamaze]

OK, so Thad isn't a very good player. Trading him means having the possibility of landing young players with upside. It didn't happen. But LeVert could end up a better player. What not to like? If he is healthy and can play D it's a good trade.

i was all for the thad trade... lvoed it... but i assumed marks wouldnt waste the cap room on F tier scrubs like hamilton and booker. but he did. making the trade a monumental failure as that money was needed to upgrade the wings. only he got no wings.

Levert is irrelevant. trade was about the cap space. he is a minor throw in and a longshot to be mroe then a role player

They still have cap space to be used in a trade during the season if someone worth while is available. Worst case scenario they keep the cap space for next summer.

[Prokorov]

They were beyond embarassing offers.... you can be the GM of a super undesireable situation and then offer to pay what everyone else is offering.

thats like if i came you and said id offer you exactly what you make now, only instead of what you do now you havw to cleanup feces all day. of course you say now. but if i offer you 25% more then what you make, maybe you consider it.

marks wants people to clean up feces for what they can make to play elsewhere. thats embarassing.

give me a GM who can get someone to sign despite the situation.

Well, they would still be paid to play basketball instead of cleaning up and it's still New York we are talking about. He offered good money, but the players decided to stay put, it just happens. And for many reasons. On the other hand, why do you want players on the roster who only join this team because of money they couldn't get elsewhere?

To me, embarrassing is what teams like the Lakers did. Signing 30+ and injury prone players to hefty four year deals. This approach takes you nowhere and results in being a treadmill team for years. Marks is spending the money wisely and building a proper foundation with which I'm okay with at the moment. Nothing to be enthusiastic about, but also no reason to continuously bash his skills as a GM. As far as I know, most of the experts rate the Nets offseason as pretty good despite projecting another bad season.

no, he didnt offer good money, he offered the same as everyone else, or in some cases like dudley, less.

embarrassing.

why would i care if they came here for the money? talent wins.

what foundation is marks building with scrubs on one year deals? a foundation of losses with guys who are gone in a year? thats like tissue paper foundation. im all for building youth. but our youth is low ceiling and the vets around them are scrubs on 1 year deals.

marks couldnt have possibly done worse outside of maybe bringing in rose