Official Caris LeVert Thread

[Net Sentence]

He didnt even have to do that because no site had LeVert listed as a 1st rounder. Marks jumped the gun on the pick.

GMs work under the radar a lot. Sites aren't completely reliable. One doesn't know if another GM wants him. He himself thinks he deserves to be drafted around there.

And only then will the Nets know for sure if it was worth their gamble to trade away a proven starter to move up the draft board and snag LeVert, who was projected as a second round pick on most boards, in the first round.

“You never know, it’s kind of speculation,” Atkinson said. “I don’t know what other teams were thinking. I know where we had him on our board. It was high. I know a lot of teams say [it], but we got our guy. That was a guy we were targeting and we’re thrilled to have him.”

http://blogs.northjersey.com/nets-nation/nets-explain-why-they-traded-for-caris-levert-1.1627324

This is a contradicting post. If Marks was worried about LeVert not being there he wouldnt have made the trade during lunch, he woud have waited until the pick. He made the trade during lunch because he knew he would be there. He knew he would be there because it was a huge reach.

[Kaiser30]

no, he didnt offer good money, he offered the same as everyone else, or in some cases like dudley, less.

embarrassing.

Oh okay, so you know literally every offer Bazemore got? Interesting, tell us!
I remember exactly one report that Bazemore took less money in order to stay with the Hawks and rejected higher offers from the Nets and Lakers, both in the same range. And the Lakers are exactly in the same spot, a bottom 3 team trying to acquire a good free agent. So guess what, he actually offered a premium for signing with a bad team! It already was good money and more than market value. You're acting like Marks offered as much money as the Warriors or Spurs, but they weren't likely even interested in him all along. But again, it seems like you know better than anyone else.

why would i care if they came here for the money? talent wins.

what foundation is marks building with scrubs on one year deals? a foundation of losses with guys who are gone in a year? thats like tissue paper foundation. im all for building youth. but our youth is low ceiling and the vets around them are scrubs on 1 year deals.

marks couldnt have possibly done worse outside of maybe bringing in rose

Low ceiling players? They have hardly played last season or were just added this offseason, so how do we know anything about their ceiling? Just because they weren't drafted higher? Remind yourself, you wanted to spend 80M on UNDRAFTED Kent Bazemore! Who in his fourth season turned out to be a solid wing player. There are so many examples of players who outperformed their draft range. It's way too early to tell how good these players will be in two to four years. Not expecting anyone to become a top 30 player, but why shouldn't two of them develop into good starting players?

And what happened with your opinion that cap space is super valuable and enables a team to facilitate trades and salary dumps while getting assets in return? Marks has plenty of cap space to do just that. Last year, when the Nets extended Thad and were facing a decision on D-Will, you stated it multiple times.

The Lakers don't have there pick this year so like a smart team they went out and signed nba players to put around there 3 young guys

You telling me deng couldn't help the nets that marks couldn't make a bigger offer

Brooks back up is a guy who was out of the league that's effing insane

I was the first and probably only one to mention Deng's name as a free agent target way before the beginning of free agency. And yes, spending money in free agency when you don't have your pick is indeed smart. But long-term deals for 30+ year olds? Hell no! Deng on a big two-year deal would've been a fantastic signing, but not for four years. Both Mozgov and Deng will haunt the Lakers when they need their cap space in order to complement their young players with legit pieces in two to three years.

The worst is, you're constantly bashing Marks and call the Lakers smart, but don't even know that their pick is top 3-protected.
They should have just mailed it in for another year, use that pick in a good draft and then start spending before the pick becomes unprotected in 2018. Deng and Mozgov could actually make them lose their draft pick while still being far away from the playoffs with 30M per year committed to old and injury prone players. That's flat out horrible management.

[treiz]

i understand "no one wants to play for the nets".... but isnt the point of a GM to convince guys otherwise? I mean thats basically their job in free agency as salesman. he couldnt convince those ANY of those guys, and more importantly, his pitches were beyond pathetic, with some embrassing offers that likely come back hurt him once he gets the rep of being tight with money.

i dont get praising a guy for doing nothing just because the expectations were super low. sure, maybe dont hate on him, but the guy has done literally nothing but trade away our second best player for cap space to not use the cap space.

anything but a D+ or lower grade for marks is bananaland.

It is their job, but what is Marks supposed to say? "We have no draft picks, we have no valuable assets for trade to try and improve this team should there be anything down the line, we have a bunch of raw rookies who might or might not pan out with injury history on top." His pitches were pathetic? Were you there at the meetings? I mean he got TJ and Crabbe to sign, so he at least convinced those 2, as well as others. It's just unfortunate that despite overpaying their teams still matched.

These players aren't stupid, especially the likes of Horford/Williams who actually want to win and not have to deal with seeing whether the younger players pan out. The only other solution to this is to severely overpay on those other mediocre players NS listed, and some other dude actually thinks Turner/Barnes will get us close to the playoffs, these moves is not gonna do this team any sort of good now or in the future.

Again like I said before, I'm not happy with how the offseason has gone. The intention was there but the results are disappointing and he shouldn't be getting praised, but at the same time some of the criticism by certain posters in here is ludicrous especially when they praise the GM that put us in this mess in the first place.

[treiz]

Yeah it's called a built in excuse. I called it then and I was right. Im not throwing a pity party for Marks. He needs to produce if he has an executive position. Locking up all his cap space into 2 restricted free agents is just as irresponsible as King trading our draft picks in the Boston trade. It was an "all your eggs in one basket" approach and he missed out on the rest of the good free agents because of it. You dont get credit for having a gameplan. I dont want to hear about the pie in the sky, I want to see the slice on my plate.

It really isn't though, because what King did had detrimental effects 3-4 years down the line. Not signing FA's will only affect us for one year. It affected us last year, and will affect us again for the next 2 years in terms of draft position, which is why it'll be difficult to rebuild. My word you're really going out of your way to defend King.

[Rockice_24]

Yeah it's called a built in excuse. I called it then and I was right. Im not throwing a pity party for Marks. He needs to produce if he has an executive position. Locking up all his cap space into 2 restricted free agents is just as irresponsible as King trading our draft picks in the Boston trade. It was an "all your eggs in one basket" approach and he missed out on the rest of the good free agents because of it. You dont get credit for having a gameplan. I dont want to hear about the pie in the sky, I want to see the slice on my plate.

It really isn't though, because what King did had detrimental effects 3-4 years down the line. Not signing FA's will only affect us for one year. It affected us last year, and will affect us again for the next 2 years in terms of draft position, which is why it'll be difficult to rebuild. My word you're really going out of your way to defend King.

Plus he didn't lock up all his cap space anyway. Once Crabbe was signed all the real FA worth anything were pretty much gone.

Can't believe you just compared King trading 1sts to Marks missing out two RFAs who are borderline starters. Worst thing I've read on here in quite some time.

[Net Sentence]

Yeah it's called a built in excuse. I called it then and I was right. Im not throwing a pity party for Marks. He needs to produce if he has an executive position. Locking up all his cap space into 2 restricted free agents is just as irresponsible as King trading our draft picks in the Boston trade. It was an "all your eggs in one basket" approach and he missed out on the rest of the good free agents because of it. You dont get credit for having a gameplan. I dont want to hear about the pie in the sky, I want to see the slice on my plate.

It really isn't though, because what King did had detrimental effects 3-4 years down the line. Not signing FA's will only affect us for one year. It affected us last year, and will affect us again for the next 2 years in terms of draft position, which is why it'll be difficult to rebuild. My word you're really going out of your way to defend King.

Plus he didn't lock up all his cap space anyway. Once Crabbe was signed all the real FA worth anything were pretty much gone.

Can't believe you just compared King trading 1sts to Marks missing out two RFAs who are borderline starters. Worst thing I've read on here in quite some time.

Great we have cap space but just threw away the season. I would rather watch the team win with overpriced players then to watch them lose with cap space. Im not OK with this. He's going to use the same damn excuse next offseason as to why he couldn't close on any free agents. I am interested in results, not how close he got at getting Crabbe and TJ. This is a bottom line business and he gets a big fat F for this offseason. Not only do we not have any proven NBA starters outside of Lopez, Marks didn't get any good young prospects that will be building blocks.

[MrDollarBills]

How in god's name can you compare what King did to what just happened?

Anyway...here's the thing. You were one of the main people here mentioning Durant's name and Horford leading up to the offseason. That from the door shows everyone how unrealistic your expectations were set. I said several weeks ago people aren't going to want to come here and that FA expectations needs to be kept low.

Am I pleased with the roster? No. But outside of losing Thad, I'm not upset that he tried to get Bazemore and Williams and those guys took less to stay on winning teams. I knew that would happen. I'm not mad about losing out on TJ and Crabbe because he offered them deals based on potential and Miami and Portland matched. the team didn't feel the need to shell out 94 million for Harrison Barnes and I don't blame them, he was horrible last season.

In your mind, you think anyone will want to play for the Nets just because they're your favorite team, and the money talks. Money stopped talking once winning teams would be able to offer sizable contracts. It is what it is, no one wants to play for the Nets.

If we still had our picks, this would make the process a lot easier. But we don't....and we can thank the guy you've been praising for that

[Paradise]

There is no point in debating with anyone that tries to justify Billy King's tenure here.

LeVert was considered a first round talent aside from his injury risks. How is that any different to CJ McCollum? He suffered an injury that ended his collegiate career at Lehigh. Gets drafted by Portland and ends up suffering a broken foot with Portland during the off-season before his rookie season. Did that change a damn thing when it comes to his talent? Clearly, it didn't.

We are betting on a long term SG that was efficient in his college career. I don't understand the need to input agenda because certain Net fans don't quite remember the concept of drafting talent and what rebuilding is...because King has brainwashed folks into mediocrity.

Yes, we traded Thad to get him. So what? Thad's role as Brook's robin has been replaced by Jeremy Lin who is in the same tier as a Thaddeus Young. It's not that complicated as everyone makes it out to be. Thad's spot was replaced by someone who may not be as gifted offensively but is certainly a better defender and rebounder.

[treiz]

Great we have cap space but just threw away the season. I would rather watch the team win with overpriced players then to watch them lose with cap space. Im not OK with this. He's going to use the same damn excuse next offseason as to why he couldn't close on any free agents. I am interested in results, not how close he got at getting Crabbe and TJ. This is a bottom line business and he gets a big fat F for this offseason. Not only do we not have any proven NBA starters outside of Lopez, Marks didn't get any good young prospects that will be building blocks.

So basically you're happy with mediocrity? You're happy with being a perennial 8th seed year after year? You know what overpaying Williams/Bazemore would've done? It would've made us a borderline playoff team with a ton of cap committed to 2 players thus no room for flexibility, you're cool with that?

If you are that's fine, but some of us here would actually like to see this team build a team capable of competing not only for a year or two but for many more years after that and not only a team that scrapes by the 8th seed but genuine title contenders. If that means sacrificing some year then so be it. It would've been better if we had more valuable assets to build upon such as draft picks but your boy King decided to give them away. RHJ, CmC, LeVert are nice but there's still too much uncertainty with each of them.

The bottom line is, King destroyed the future of this team when he was at the helm and now we are seeing the fruits of his labour for 2nd round exits. Now I'm not too happy with how Marks has done this offseason but to pin the blame all on him is just plain wrong, especially when you consider that this is his FIRST offseason and the cards he was dealt, nobody, I repeat NOBODY could've done a better job than what he's done.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on this topic. You're clearly not seeing the bigger picture over here and just straight finger pointing at Marks despite circumstances out of his control whilst praising King (and you're really going out of you way to praise him) for putting us in this position in the first place.

[Net Sentence]

Great we have cap space but just threw away the season. I would rather watch the team win with overpriced players then to watch them lose with cap space. Im not OK with this. He's going to use the same damn excuse next offseason as to why he couldn't close on any free agents. I am interested in results, not how close he got at getting Crabbe and TJ. This is a bottom line business and he gets a big fat F for this offseason. Not only do we not have any proven NBA starters outside of Lopez, Marks didn't get any good young prospects that will be building blocks.

So basically you're happy with mediocrity? You're happy with being a perennial 8th seed year after year? You know what overpaying Williams/Bazemore would've done? It would've made us a borderline playoff team with a ton of cap committed to 2 players thus no room for flexibility, you're cool with that?

Give me mediocre over abysmal every day of the week. Especially since we have no reason to be bad since we don't have our 1st round pick this year. In fact, it benefits us to be mediocre. We are going to have to swap picks with Boston this year so instead of giving them an extra 4 wins and us an extra 4 losses when we play each other, we should do everything in our power to beat them and be as good as possible.

If you are that's fine, but some of us here would actually like to see this team build a team capable of competing not only for a year or two but for many more years after that and not only a team that scrapes by the 8th seed but genuine title contenders. If that means sacrificing some year then so be it. It would've been better if we had more valuable assets to build upon such as draft picks but your boy King decided to give them away. RHJ, CmC, LeVert are nice but there's still too much uncertainty with each of them.

I fail to see the benefit of tanking this season. Cap space next offseason is going to mean as much as it did this offseason since we are going to be one of the worst teams in the NBA again. FA will shun us just like this year. King salvaged Thad out of the Boston trade only for Marks to piss him away trading for a guy he could have bought the rights on in the 2nd round.

The bottom line is, King destroyed the future of this team when he was at the helm and now we are seeing the fruits of his labour for 2nd round exits. Now I'm not too happy with how Marks has done this offseason but to pin the blame all on him is just plain wrong, especially when you consider that this is his FIRST offseason and the cards he was dealt, nobody, I repeat NOBODY could've done a better job than what he's done.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on this topic. You're clearly not seeing the bigger picture over here and just straight finger pointing at Marks despite circumstances out of his control whilst praising King (and you're really going out of you way to praise him) for putting us in this position in the first place.

King put us in position to be free agent players this offseason. We already sacrificed last year to have cap space. Marks did nothing with it.

[Ror1997]

What free agents did we miss out on between the time we signed Crabbe and TJ to offer sheets and their teams matching? Most of the dominos had already fallen at that point. Signing TJ and Crabbe to offer sheets isn't the reason we didn't sign guys like Evan Turner and Loul Deng, its because we were never targeting them. What you really mean to say is that you don't like the players Marks is targeting. The reason you don't like who marks is targeting is because some people are delusional enough to think we can compete, and can rebuild without having to be bad.

[Paradise]

What free agents did we miss out on between the time we signed Crabbe and TJ to offer sheets and their teams matching? Most of the dominos had already fallen at that point. Signing TJ and Crabbe to offer sheets isn't the reason we didn't sign guys like Evan Turner and Loul Deng, its because we were never targeting them. What you really mean to say is that you don't like the players Marks is targeting. The reason you don't like who marks is targeting is because some people are delusional enough to think we can compete, and can rebuild without having to be bad.

And even the teams ahead of us in the division has endured a couple bad seasons before getting back to respectability.

If GMs listened to fans:

- Lowry would be a Knick.

- Knicks would have Winslow over Porzingis.

- Celtics would have Kevin Love over Horford.

- Sixers would have Hinkie signing Sloan, Larkin and drafting Ingram.


All professionals in this business have co-signed our off-season to be a POSITIVE step in the right direction. I co-sign it because aside from my fandom of this franchise I can also make sense of what Marks did with the little resources he had to make it happen. It makes sense and it's been done successfully before. Clearly, it worked to get an international figure like to consider us over better options like Charlotte, New Orleans, Chicago, etc.

I'm rooting for LeVert to become a good player for us because he's a likable kid with talent and potential. Not because of a trade he had nothing to do with.

[treiz]

Give me mediocre over abysmal every day of the week. Especially since we have no reason to be bad since we don't have our 1st round pick this year. In fact, it benefits us to be mediocre. We are going to have to swap picks with Boston this year so instead of giving them an extra 4 wins and us an extra 4 losses when we play each other, we should do everything in our power to beat them and be as good as possible.

I fail to see the benefit of tanking this season. Cap space next offseason is going to mean as much as it did this offseason since we are going to be one of the worst teams in the NBA again. FA will shun us just like this year. King salvaged Thad out of the Boston trade only for Marks to piss him away trading for a guy he could have bought the rights on in the 2nd round.

I never once said nor gave the notion that we should tank this year especially considering our lack of draft picks, all I was saying is that committing absurd amounts of money to Turner/Williams/Bazemore/Barnes will not solve the problem, all it will do is bring us the 8th seed at most whilst forcing us to commit unnecessary cap to these players not just this year but in the next 3-4 years to players who have very limited potential at this point. That will give us even less flexibility moving forward, and we're already pretty low on that. At least with TJ/Crabbe there was possibility for growth, with those guys they are more likely to already be maxed out as players than for them to find another level to their game or to even move them down the road.

You could also not be anymore wrong even if you tried, FA will shun us because of what King has done, because of what little assets he left this organisation to build upon. You say he salvaged Young but he was the one who created that heaping mess in the first place. Even then, getting Young does not salvage 3 seasons worth of first round draft picks, 4 if you include the fact that we traded one for Wallace to make the Boston trade happen.

King put us in position to be free agent players this offseason. We already sacrificed last year to have cap space. Marks did nothing with it.

King also put us in this position because he knew his dumb experiment failed, he gambled MASSIVELY, severely overpaying and throwing assets for absolutely no reason whatsoever. He also put us in a position with no control over draft picks until 2019, no assets to trade around except cap (even then what can you really get?) and uncertain prospects to build around. It's one thing that King set us up with cap space, it's another to have the worst outlook of any team in the NBA, and that's what players know about this Nets team King left behind. King gave the Nets a toxic environment that no good player whether they be in FA or trades would want to come to for another couple of years.

You need to realise that just because the Nets are your favourite team, doesn't mean that it's anybody else's. Players are smarter than you're giving them credit for, you need to get through your head that NOBODY I repeat NOBODY or good value wants to play for this team right now because of what King has left behind.

[ChokeFasncists]

He didnt even have to do that because no site had LeVert listed as a 1st rounder. Marks jumped the gun on the pick.

GMs work under the radar a lot. Sites aren't completely reliable. One doesn't know if another GM wants him. He himself thinks he deserves to be drafted around there.

And only then will the Nets know for sure if it was worth their gamble to trade away a proven starter to move up the draft board and snag LeVert, who was projected as a second round pick on most boards, in the first round.

“You never know, it’s kind of speculation,” Atkinson said. “I don’t know what other teams were thinking. I know where we had him on our board. It was high. I know a lot of teams say [it], but we got our guy. That was a guy we were targeting and we’re thrilled to have him.”

http://blogs.northjersey.com/nets-nation/nets-explain-why-they-traded-for-caris-levert-1.1627324

This is a contradicting post. If Marks was worried about LeVert not being there he wouldnt have made the trade during lunch, he woud have waited until the pick. He made the trade during lunch because he knew he would be there. He knew he would be there because it was a huge reach.

He's not worried that he would be there at twenty. It doesn't mean he would still be there at thirty.

[ChokeFasncists]

Great we have cap space but just threw away the season. I would rather watch the team win with overpriced players then to watch them lose with cap space. Im not OK with this. He's going to use the same damn excuse next offseason as to why he couldn't close on any free agents. I am interested in results, not how close he got at getting Crabbe and TJ. This is a bottom line business and he gets a big fat F for this offseason. Not only do we not have any proven NBA starters outside of Lopez, Marks didn't get any good young prospects that will be building blocks.

So basically you're happy with mediocrity? You're happy with being a perennial 8th seed year after year? You know what overpaying Williams/Bazemore would've done? It would've made us a borderline playoff team with a ton of cap committed to 2 players thus no room for flexibility, you're cool with that?

If you are that's fine, but some of us here would actually like to see this team build a team capable of competing not only for a year or two but for many more years after that and not only a team that scrapes by the 8th seed but genuine title contenders. If that means sacrificing some year then so be it. It would've been better if we had more valuable assets to build upon such as draft picks but your boy King decided to give them away. RHJ, CmC, LeVert are nice but there's still too much uncertainty with each of them.

The bottom line is, King destroyed the future of this team when he was at the helm and now we are seeing the fruits of his labour for 2nd round exits. Now I'm not too happy with how Marks has done this offseason but to pin the blame all on him is just plain wrong, especially when you consider that this is his FIRST offseason and the cards he was dealt, nobody, I repeat NOBODY could've done a better job than what he's done.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on this topic. You're clearly not seeing the bigger picture over here and just straight finger pointing at Marks despite circumstances out of his control whilst praising King (and you're really going out of you way to praise him) for putting us in this position in the first place.

Talkin' 'bout instant vs delayed gratification.

Most NBA fans don't like the purgatory, but I guess to each his own!

[Net Sentence]

Great we have cap space but just threw away the season. I would rather watch the team win with overpriced players then to watch them lose with cap space. Im not OK with this. He's going to use the same damn excuse next offseason as to why he couldn't close on any free agents. I am interested in results, not how close he got at getting Crabbe and TJ. This is a bottom line business and he gets a big fat F for this offseason. Not only do we not have any proven NBA starters outside of Lopez, Marks didn't get any good young prospects that will be building blocks.

So basically you're happy with mediocrity? You're happy with being a perennial 8th seed year after year? You know what overpaying Williams/Bazemore would've done? It would've made us a borderline playoff team with a ton of cap committed to 2 players thus no room for flexibility, you're cool with that?

If you are that's fine, but some of us here would actually like to see this team build a team capable of competing not only for a year or two but for many more years after that and not only a team that scrapes by the 8th seed but genuine title contenders. If that means sacrificing some year then so be it. It would've been better if we had more valuable assets to build upon such as draft picks but your boy King decided to give them away. RHJ, CmC, LeVert are nice but there's still too much uncertainty with each of them.

The bottom line is, King destroyed the future of this team when he was at the helm and now we are seeing the fruits of his labour for 2nd round exits. Now I'm not too happy with how Marks has done this offseason but to pin the blame all on him is just plain wrong, especially when you consider that this is his FIRST offseason and the cards he was dealt, nobody, I repeat NOBODY could've done a better job than what he's done.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on this topic. You're clearly not seeing the bigger picture over here and just straight finger pointing at Marks despite circumstances out of his control whilst praising King (and you're really going out of you way to praise him) for putting us in this position in the first place.

Talkin' 'bout instant vs delayed gratification.

Most NBA fans don't like the purgatory, but I guess to each his own!

Compared to being the worst team in the NBA with no draft pick. Yes purgatory doesnt sound so bad.

[Net Sentence]

Give me mediocre over abysmal every day of the week. Especially since we have no reason to be bad since we don't have our 1st round pick this year. In fact, it benefits us to be mediocre. We are going to have to swap picks with Boston this year so instead of giving them an extra 4 wins and us an extra 4 losses when we play each other, we should do everything in our power to beat them and be as good as possible.

I fail to see the benefit of tanking this season. Cap space next offseason is going to mean as much as it did this offseason since we are going to be one of the worst teams in the NBA again. FA will shun us just like this year. King salvaged Thad out of the Boston trade only for Marks to piss him away trading for a guy he could have bought the rights on in the 2nd round.

I never once said nor gave the notion that we should tank this year especially considering our lack of draft picks, all I was saying is that committing absurd amounts of money to Turner/Williams/Bazemore/Barnes will not solve the problem, all it will do is bring us the 8th seed at most whilst forcing us to commit unnecessary cap to these players not just this year but in the next 3-4 years to players who have very limited potential at this point. That will give us even less flexibility moving forward, and we're already pretty low on that. At least with TJ/Crabbe there was possibility for growth, with those guys they are more likely to already be maxed out as players than for them to find another level to their game or to even move them down the road.

Being the worst team can effect the next 10-12 years if Boston gets a franchise player. You say you dont condone tanking yet that's exactly what we are doing. Lopez is the only regular NBA starter on the team. RFA are a long shot. I know this. You know this. Everyone knows this except Marks because his entire plan had a very low chance of succeeding. He showed his inexperience. He lacked the insight to know what was going to happen in FA. Was it because he doesnt have strong relationships with agents? IDK. What I do know is that Marks didnt have to trade Thad. He chose too in order to free cap space. You dont do that unless you are sure you can use it.

And who says Lin, Bazemore, Marv Williams/RHJ, Thad, Lopez is only an 8 seed. I think they would be 4 or 5 in the East.

You could also not be anymore wrong even if you tried, FA will shun us because of what King has done, because of what little assets he left this organisation to build upon. You say he salvaged Young but he was the one who created that heaping mess in the first place. Even then, getting Young does not salvage 3 seasons worth of first round draft picks, 4 if you include the fact that we traded one for Wallace to make the Boston trade happen.

You dont get to argue both sides.If FA will shun us then why the hell did Marks trade Thad? Why will having cap space/flexibility matter more next season? We are still going to be terrible. We still arent going to have draft picks. The cap is still going up giving teams alot of money to spend. It would have made a lot more sense to overspend on H Barnes or Bazemore this offseason then overspending for the same level of player next year when they will cost more.

King put us in position to be free agent players this offseason. We already sacrificed last year to have cap space. Marks did nothing with it.

King also put us in this position because he knew his dumb experiment failed, he gambled MASSIVELY, severely overpaying and throwing assets for absolutely no reason whatsoever. He also put us in a position with no control over draft picks until 2019, no assets to trade around except cap (even then what can you really get?) and uncertain prospects to build around. It's one thing that King set us up with cap space, it's another to have the worst outlook of any team in the NBA, and that's what players know about this Nets team King left behind. King gave the Nets a toxic environment that no good player whether they be in FA or trades would want to come to for another couple of years.

You need to realise that just because the Nets are your favourite team, doesn't mean that it's anybody else's. Players are smarter than you're giving them credit for, you need to get through your head that NOBODY I repeat NOBODY or good value wants to play for this team right now because of what King has left behind.

I would have liked to see King get a chance at this free agency crop. He always managed to get us good players. He got us Jack for nothing. He drafted Plumlee who he then flipped into RHJ. McCullough looks like a very good pick. Bogdanovic was taken in the 2nd round. He got Thad in a trade and resigned him to a good contract. Everyone is giving Marks credit for almost getting two backups in TJ and Crabbe. Kings near gets were all-NBA level (prime Melo and prime Dwight). From the way you make it sound, anyone who GM's this team cant be successful. At least with King I knew he could draft well late in a draft and not reach on a guy 20 picks before he was being forcasted.

[brook]

For some Nets fans, Thaddeus Young now is better than a mix of Blake Griffin and Paul Millsap.

Young is a good starter, he is a good guy, but he doesn't stretch the floor and he isn't a cornerstone of this or other franchise.
Young is better than Booker? Probably he is, but how much? Booker maybe is a better fit for play with Lopez and he's cheaper. You get #20 pick and a second future pick for him, and clearly weren't other offers for him.
Then you use cap space for trying to take your target, TJ and Crabbe. He made a good job.

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For some Nets fans, Thaddeus Young now is better than a mix of Blake Griffin and Paul Millsap.

Young is a good starter, he is a good guy, but he doesn't stretch the floor and he isn't a cornerstone of this or other franchise.
Young is better than Booker? Probably he is, but how much? Booker maybe is a better fit for play with Lopez and he's cheaper. You get #20 pick and a second future pick for him, and clearly weren't other offers for him.
Then you use cap space for trying to take your target, TJ and Crabbe. He made a good job.

Where did I compare or insinuate that Thad is an all-star level PF???
Which PF that Marks brought in stretches the floor???

Thad is a lot better then Booker. Not a little; a lot.

Our #20 pick was a mid second rounder and our second round pick is protected.

How many wins are the Nets going to have from Marks trying to get Crabbe and TJ. Almost doesnt count in the NBA last time I checked.

But keep strawmaning away with your little Griffin and Millsap comment. Marks's two big developmental acquisitions is a guy coming off 3 foot injuries and the biggest bust to be taken #1 ever.

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For some Nets fans, Thaddeus Young now is better than a mix of Blake Griffin and Paul Millsap.

Young is a good starter, he is a good guy, but he doesn't stretch the floor and he isn't a cornerstone of this or other franchise.
Young is better than Booker? Probably he is, but how much? Booker maybe is a better fit for play with Lopez and he's cheaper. You get #20 pick and a second future pick for him, and clearly weren't other offers for him.
Then you use cap space for trying to take your target, TJ and Crabbe. He made a good job.

Where did I compare or insinuate that Thad is an all-star level PF???
Which PF that Marks brought in stretches the floor???

Thad is a lot better then Booker. Not a little; a lot.

Our #20 pick was a mid second rounder and our second round pick is protected.

How many wins are the Nets going to have from Marks trying to get Crabbe and TJ. Almost doesnt count in the NBA last time I checked.

But keep strawmaning away with your little Griffin and Millsap comment. Marks's two big developmental acquisitions is a guy coming off 3 foot injuries and the biggest bust to be taken #1 ever.

I said some Nets fans, not you

Last year Young play with us, and how many wins? 21. Young don't change anything for us. And Thad is a lot better than Booker for us is your opinion, not a fact.

I don't know if LeVert was the plan A or not, but in this situation, a young player with talent to develop, is better than a Young or something. You must to rebuild and there's no picks for tank (with Young, in that case). You choose a coach who is good to develop players.

Mock draft are ****, they don't say anything.

On Bennett, we'll see.