Dwyane Wade Appreciation Thread

[contract]

If Pat let Wade leave because he wants to win now then his moves are even dumber than I initially thought.

I don't think the next few off seasons bode any better than the last 3 poor ones did, but I'm curious to see the excuses he will get.

Riley's sense of perspective is distorted by the fact that the Heat play in the East. The Mavs understand that there's no downside in paying Dirk because they're not coming close to winning anything for a while, so they preserve the franchise's long-term appeal by taking care of its face.

You are pushing it. Mavs resigned Dirk over and over because Dirk wanted to come back to Dallas every time and he made it work. As a matter of fact, Riley's vision with Wade was to do something similar to what the Mavs have done with Dirk. Dirk just opted out of a contract that averaged $8mil per season for 2yrs at age 36-37. Dirk wanted to provide the team flexibility to sign players to help him win. Once Cuban signed players this off-season, the Mavs gave Dirk a $20 mil contract with opt-outs for the next two seasons.

Dirk: $220 million

Wade: $156 million

In order to do something similar with Wade, first he would have had to pay him better. Before Dirk took those paycuts, he had earned $18 million or more in 5 of the previous 6 seasons. The same cannot be said for Wade.

[Shewasfly]

What I find funny is that its clear Riley has been unwilling to pay Wade without a fight for a couple of off seasons. In fact, he didn't even have the decency to sign Wade to a 1+1 last off season, he literally gave him a 1 year deal like he is some scrub who had to prove himself before being committed to long term.

After all that, we are to believe that Riley would have gladly paid back Wade with $30+ million a season when he turned 38? Riley wasn't willing to not low ball Wade when he was coming off of taking his injured team to the brink of the ECF, but we are to believe he'd have done right by Wade when he has literally no negotiating power and is a year away from retirement? Yall are buying the same snake oil Wade had all these years.

No, what Riley wanted to do was keep delaying ever paying Wade until it got to the point that he didn't have to and it became a no brainer to EVERYBODY that he shouldn't. At 38, the court of public opinion that is currently harshly judging Riley's hardball tactics with Wade, would look at the same decision to shaft Wade as justified. I still do not believe Riley was pushing Wade out. Our moves after his departure have been too all over the place for me to believe it was planned all along. But I do believe he never had any intention of ever paying that man his value.

[Shewasfly]

And another thing I find funny is how you can openly insinuate on a Heat board that Wade abuses/abused performance enhancing drugs and its okay, but talk about factual blunders by Riley not gossipy nonsense, and its "omg are you even a Heat fan??"

[insfo]

And another thing I find funny is how you can openly insinuate on a Heat board that Wade abuses/abused performance enhancing drugs and its okay, but talk about factual blunders by Riley not gossipy nonsense, and its "omg are you even a Heat fan??"

lol, and you can repeatedly insinuate that Bosh has HIV and question his sexual preferences, while having someone back you up as being a "respected poster on this board"

[heat4life]

Riley's sense of perspective is distorted by the fact that the Heat play in the East. The Mavs understand that there's no downside in paying Dirk because they're not coming close to winning anything for a while, so they preserve the franchise's long-term appeal by taking care of its face.

You are pushing it. Mavs resigned Dirk over and over because Dirk wanted to come back to Dallas every time and he made it work. As a matter of fact, Riley's vision with Wade was to do something similar to what the Mavs have done with Dirk. Dirk just opted out of a contract that averaged $8mil per season for 2yrs at age 36-37. Dirk wanted to provide the team flexibility to sign players to help him win. Once Cuban signed players this off-season, the Mavs gave Dirk a $20 mil contract with opt-outs for the next two seasons.

Dirk: $220 million

Wade: $156 million

In order to do something similar with Wade, first he would have had to pay him better. Before Dirk took those paycuts, he had earned $18 million or more in 5 of the previous 6 seasons. The same cannot be said for Wade.

Unfair to compare the numbers. Dirk has been in the league since 1998. He's been in the league 18 years vs Wade's 13. That is a whole 5 years of salaries more than Wade. He also belonged to a difference CBA and salary cap era. Wade was limited to his rookie contract, then the extension in which he chose to only do 3 years in order to be a free agent in 2010. Plus add the new CBA in 2011 which completely changed spending with luxury taxes and making it more competitive to sign players when using cap space. He could've gone the Carmelo way and make more overall. But he wanted to win and his vision aligned to Riley's.

The problem now is that Riley's has that same vision and Wade's priority has become getting his pay, which is a sign of respect in this league. I do not see anything wrong with either view, that is why I say that it could've been avoided if there was a compromise from both side. Ego's got in the way and now were are here in this divorce as the kids who are hurting.

[Shewasfly]

And another thing I find funny is how you can openly insinuate on a Heat board that Wade abuses/abused performance enhancing drugs and its okay, but talk about factual blunders by Riley not gossipy nonsense, and its "omg are you even a Heat fan??"

lol, and you can repeatedly insinuate that Bosh has HIV and question his sexual preferences, while having someone back you up as being a "respected poster on this board"

Wow.

[Hallstar]

And another thing I find funny is how you can openly insinuate on a Heat board that Wade abuses/abused performance enhancing drugs and its okay, but talk about factual blunders by Riley not gossipy nonsense, and its "omg are you even a Heat fan??"

lol, and you can repeatedly insinuate that Bosh has HIV and question his sexual preferences, while having someone back you up as being a "respected poster on this board"

Wow.

Yep, Grumpy Heat Fan went crazy

The board has basically jumped the shark

[jagz]

If Pat let Wade leave because he wants to win now then his moves are even dumber than I initially thought.

I don't think the next few off seasons bode any better than the last 3 poor ones did, but I'm curious to see the excuses he will get.

Riley's sense of perspective is distorted by the fact that the Heat play in the East. The Mavs understand that there's no downside in paying Dirk because they're not coming close to winning anything for a while, so they preserve the franchise's long-term appeal by taking care of its face.

You are pushing it. Mavs resigned Dirk over and over because Dirk wanted to come back to Dallas every time and he made it work. As a matter of fact, Riley's vision with Wade was to do something similar to what the Mavs have done with Dirk. Dirk just opted out of a contract that averaged $8mil per season for 2yrs at age 36-37. Dirk wanted to provide the team flexibility to sign players to help him win. Once Cuban signed players this off-season, the Mavs gave Dirk a $20 mil contract with opt-outs for the next two seasons.

Dirk's contracts

Nowitzki, 37, would have made $8.7 million next season if he opted to complete his three-year contract. He could take a lower salary to give the Mavs more flexibility this summer.

Nowitzki, the sixth-leading scorer in NBA history, has said that it would be special for him to join Kobe Bryant as the only players to have a 20-year career with only one franchise. That would require Nowitzki to play two more seasons with the Mavericks.

Nowitzki reiterated Monday that he is committed to remaining with the Mavs for the rest of his career, saying that decision was essentially made when Dallas won the championship in 2011.

Link

Again, Wade is within his rights to accept or decline such overtures. I respect that and he made is choice just like Riley made the choice of wanting to maintain flexibility and setting a price. That is just business. What is sad is that I feel this ending could've been avoided with better communication on both sides, mostly a better selling job from Riley. Ego's got in the way of what could've been a great partnership during the dawn years of Wade's career.

Dirk (and Duncan) started taking discounts in 2014. He was 36 (Duncan was 37). Wade's been taking them since he was 28.

But, what happened as soon as GSW started sniffing around, whether or not Dirk would have ultimately gone there? Boom. Contract offer that put him out of reach, with Cuban basically saying that he would have maxed him at 38 if necessary.

It's amazing to me that no one (journalists included) has been able to connect the dots of the events of the final week. It's obvious when you put it all together. But, suffice it to say Wade wanted to come back until the very end.

This is extremely condensed, but basically the Nuggets and Bucks were simply tools to establish market value; the Bulls were the only Plan B. Wade was never going to Cleveland-- that was LeBron doing him a solid (with the cooperation of Gilbert and the Cavs because when LBJ says "jump," they say "how high?"). The specter of Wade in Cleveland was intended to make the Heat raise their offer. It didn't happen, nor did it when Mickey met with Wade the night he ultimately left. I believe if Mickey increases the offer, Wade still would have come back, even on the last night.

The point is that Dallas, as Cuban said, has made it clear to Dirk that they would never consider letting him go whereas the Heat showed Wade their gratitude by engaging him in consecutive games of chicken. And they lost this time, and the aftershocks of that defeat will be long-lasting (if the Dolphins improve, Miami could become a football town again). There's really nothing else the Heat can say. Everything else is just noise.

[NBADraft2003]

Riley's sense of perspective is distorted by the fact that the Heat play in the East. The Mavs understand that there's no downside in paying Dirk because they're not coming close to winning anything for a while, so they preserve the franchise's long-term appeal by taking care of its face.

You are pushing it. Mavs resigned Dirk over and over because Dirk wanted to come back to Dallas every time and he made it work. As a matter of fact, Riley's vision with Wade was to do something similar to what the Mavs have done with Dirk. Dirk just opted out of a contract that averaged $8mil per season for 2yrs at age 36-37. Dirk wanted to provide the team flexibility to sign players to help him win. Once Cuban signed players this off-season, the Mavs gave Dirk a $20 mil contract with opt-outs for the next two seasons.

Dirk's contracts

Nowitzki, 37, would have made $8.7 million next season if he opted to complete his three-year contract. He could take a lower salary to give the Mavs more flexibility this summer.

Nowitzki, the sixth-leading scorer in NBA history, has said that it would be special for him to join Kobe Bryant as the only players to have a 20-year career with only one franchise. That would require Nowitzki to play two more seasons with the Mavericks.

Nowitzki reiterated Monday that he is committed to remaining with the Mavs for the rest of his career, saying that decision was essentially made when Dallas won the championship in 2011.

Link

Again, Wade is within his rights to accept or decline such overtures. I respect that and he made is choice just like Riley made the choice of wanting to maintain flexibility and setting a price. That is just business. What is sad is that I feel this ending could've been avoided with better communication on both sides, mostly a better selling job from Riley. Ego's got in the way of what could've been a great partnership during the dawn years of Wade's career.

Dirk (and Duncan) started taking discounts in 2014. He was 36 (Duncan was 37). Wade's been taking them since he was 28.

But, what happened as soon as GSW started sniffing around, whether or not Dirk would have ultimately gone there? Boom. Contract offer that put him out of reach, with Cuban basically saying that he would have maxed him at 38 if necessary.

It's amazing to me that no one (journalists included) has been able to connect the dots of the events of the final week. It's obvious when you put it all together. But, suffice it to say Wade wanted to come back until the very end.

This is extremely condensed, but basically the Nuggets and Bucks were simply tools to establish market value; the Bulls were the only Plan B. Wade was never going to Cleveland-- that was LeBron doing him a solid (with the cooperation of Gilbert and the Cavs because when LBJ says "jump," they say "how high?"). The specter of Wade in Cleveland was intended to make the Heat raise their offer. It didn't happen, nor did it when Mickey met with Wade the night he ultimately left. I believe if Mickey increases the offer, Wade still would have come back, even on the last night.

The point is that Dallas, as Cuban said, has made it clear to Dirk that they would never consider letting him go whereas the Heat showed Wade their gratitude by engaging him in consecutive games of chicken. And they lost this time, and the aftershocks of that defeat will be long-lasting (if the Dolphins improve, Miami could become a football town again). There's really nothing else the Heat can say. Everything else is just noise.

False. Duncan started taking major pay cuts in 2012 when it looked like the wheels were about to fall off the Spurs so he did that to keep them together. Dirk's been willing to take pay cuts to as far back as 2008 for 2010 free agents. He didn't need to, they used Dampier's contract in 2010 for Tyson Chandler that summer. There was no need for him to take cuts but he was always willing to do so to win. No, Dirk was never leaving Dallas for GS. You would've had to really push Dirk out the door in Dallas to get him to leave.

Also, the Heat did increase their offer to Dwyane.

[jagz]

You are pushing it. Mavs resigned Dirk over and over because Dirk wanted to come back to Dallas every time and he made it work. As a matter of fact, Riley's vision with Wade was to do something similar to what the Mavs have done with Dirk. Dirk just opted out of a contract that averaged $8mil per season for 2yrs at age 36-37. Dirk wanted to provide the team flexibility to sign players to help him win. Once Cuban signed players this off-season, the Mavs gave Dirk a $20 mil contract with opt-outs for the next two seasons.

Dirk's contracts



Link

Again, Wade is within his rights to accept or decline such overtures. I respect that and he made is choice just like Riley made the choice of wanting to maintain flexibility and setting a price. That is just business. What is sad is that I feel this ending could've been avoided with better communication on both sides, mostly a better selling job from Riley. Ego's got in the way of what could've been a great partnership during the dawn years of Wade's career.

Dirk (and Duncan) started taking discounts in 2014. He was 36 (Duncan was 37). Wade's been taking them since he was 28.

But, what happened as soon as GSW started sniffing around, whether or not Dirk would have ultimately gone there? Boom. Contract offer that put him out of reach, with Cuban basically saying that he would have maxed him at 38 if necessary.

It's amazing to me that no one (journalists included) has been able to connect the dots of the events of the final week. It's obvious when you put it all together. But, suffice it to say Wade wanted to come back until the very end.

This is extremely condensed, but basically the Nuggets and Bucks were simply tools to establish market value; the Bulls were the only Plan B. Wade was never going to Cleveland-- that was LeBron doing him a solid (with the cooperation of Gilbert and the Cavs because when LBJ says "jump," they say "how high?"). The specter of Wade in Cleveland was intended to make the Heat raise their offer. It didn't happen, nor did it when Mickey met with Wade the night he ultimately left. I believe if Mickey increases the offer, Wade still would have come back, even on the last night.

The point is that Dallas, as Cuban said, has made it clear to Dirk that they would never consider letting him go whereas the Heat showed Wade their gratitude by engaging him in consecutive games of chicken. And they lost this time, and the aftershocks of that defeat will be long-lasting (if the Dolphins improve, Miami could become a football town again). There's really nothing else the Heat can say. Everything else is just noise.

False. Duncan started taking major pay cuts in 2012 when it looked like the wheels were about to fall off the Spurs so he did that to keep them together. Dirk's been willing to take pay cuts to as far back as 2008 for 2010 free agents. He didn't need to, they used Dampier's contract in 2010 for Tyson Chandler that summer. There was no need for him to take cuts but he was always willing to do so to win. No, Dirk was never leaving Dallas for GS. You would've had to really push Dirk out the door in Dallas to get him to leave.

Also, the Heat did increase their offer to Dwyane.

I'm talking about the steep cuts in the 10 M range that they took that everyone always cites. Those were only in the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Not only is Wade several years younger than they were at that point, he was also still relied upon to carry the offense. Neither Duncan or Dirk were by 2015, at their ages.

The Heat went from 40 to 41.5 M. Seriously? The Nuggets were offering 52 M. You probably didn't have to get to the Bulls' 47 M, but you needed to give him room to save face, like 45 M or something.

And has been said, it's not like you're paying for "past performance" anymore than any other team is with any player, because in 2016 alone, Wade stole about 15 games the Heat had no business winning, counting season and postseason. Even if Bosh returns, who is going to do that now? That's the difference between being an overachieving team poised to make a shock run and the lottery. Welcome to life without a closer, Miami.

[heat4life]

Dirk (and Duncan) started taking discounts in 2014. He was 36 (Duncan was 37). Wade's been taking them since he was 28.

But, what happened as soon as GSW started sniffing around, whether or not Dirk would have ultimately gone there? Boom. Contract offer that put him out of reach, with Cuban basically saying that he would have maxed him at 38 if necessary.

It's amazing to me that no one (journalists included) has been able to connect the dots of the events of the final week. It's obvious when you put it all together. But, suffice it to say Wade wanted to come back until the very end.

This is extremely condensed, but basically the Nuggets and Bucks were simply tools to establish market value; the Bulls were the only Plan B. Wade was never going to Cleveland-- that was LeBron doing him a solid (with the cooperation of Gilbert and the Cavs because when LBJ says "jump," they say "how high?"). The specter of Wade in Cleveland was intended to make the Heat raise their offer. It didn't happen, nor did it when Mickey met with Wade the night he ultimately left. I believe if Mickey increases the offer, Wade still would have come back, even on the last night.

The point is that Dallas, as Cuban said, has made it clear to Dirk that they would never consider letting him go whereas the Heat showed Wade their gratitude by engaging him in consecutive games of chicken. And they lost this time, and the aftershocks of that defeat will be long-lasting (if the Dolphins improve, Miami could become a football town again). There's really nothing else the Heat can say. Everything else is just noise.

False. Duncan started taking major pay cuts in 2012 when it looked like the wheels were about to fall off the Spurs so he did that to keep them together. Dirk's been willing to take pay cuts to as far back as 2008 for 2010 free agents. He didn't need to, they used Dampier's contract in 2010 for Tyson Chandler that summer. There was no need for him to take cuts but he was always willing to do so to win. No, Dirk was never leaving Dallas for GS. You would've had to really push Dirk out the door in Dallas to get him to leave.

Also, the Heat did increase their offer to Dwyane.

I'm talking about the steep cuts in the 10 M range that they took that everyone always cites. Those were only in the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Not only is Wade several years younger than they were at that point, he was also still relied upon to carry the offense. Neither Duncan or Dirk were by 2015, at their ages.

The Heat went from 40 to 41.5 M. Seriously? The Nuggets were offering 52 M. You probably didn't have to get to the Bulls' 47 M, but you needed to give him room to save face, like 45 M or something.

The Palm Beach Post had an interesting article today asking why the Heat didn't use Bird Rights this year. Give him his one-year 37 M now. Once you miss Durant and your roster is mugged in free agency, why not? You've now locked him down until he hangs it up, and Wade/ Whiteside/ Dragic/ Winslow probably still gets you to the playoffs in the East.

The problem now, even if Bosh comes back, is that there's nobody to steal games they have no business winning, which Wade did about 15 times last year, counting season and postseason. Welcome to life without a closer.

If the Palm Beach post put that in their article, they are clueless. We had renounce Wade in order to resign Whiteside. If Miami uses bird rights on Wade, there is no Hassan Whiteside. Dumb suggestion by Post (if true, I haven't read it).

[NBADraft2003]

Dirk (and Duncan) started taking discounts in 2014. He was 36 (Duncan was 37). Wade's been taking them since he was 28.

But, what happened as soon as GSW started sniffing around, whether or not Dirk would have ultimately gone there? Boom. Contract offer that put him out of reach, with Cuban basically saying that he would have maxed him at 38 if necessary.

It's amazing to me that no one (journalists included) has been able to connect the dots of the events of the final week. It's obvious when you put it all together. But, suffice it to say Wade wanted to come back until the very end.

This is extremely condensed, but basically the Nuggets and Bucks were simply tools to establish market value; the Bulls were the only Plan B. Wade was never going to Cleveland-- that was LeBron doing him a solid (with the cooperation of Gilbert and the Cavs because when LBJ says "jump," they say "how high?"). The specter of Wade in Cleveland was intended to make the Heat raise their offer. It didn't happen, nor did it when Mickey met with Wade the night he ultimately left. I believe if Mickey increases the offer, Wade still would have come back, even on the last night.

The point is that Dallas, as Cuban said, has made it clear to Dirk that they would never consider letting him go whereas the Heat showed Wade their gratitude by engaging him in consecutive games of chicken. And they lost this time, and the aftershocks of that defeat will be long-lasting (if the Dolphins improve, Miami could become a football town again). There's really nothing else the Heat can say. Everything else is just noise.

False. Duncan started taking major pay cuts in 2012 when it looked like the wheels were about to fall off the Spurs so he did that to keep them together. Dirk's been willing to take pay cuts to as far back as 2008 for 2010 free agents. He didn't need to, they used Dampier's contract in 2010 for Tyson Chandler that summer. There was no need for him to take cuts but he was always willing to do so to win. No, Dirk was never leaving Dallas for GS. You would've had to really push Dirk out the door in Dallas to get him to leave.

Also, the Heat did increase their offer to Dwyane.

I'm talking about the steep cuts in the 10 M range that they took that everyone always cites. Those were only in the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Not only is Wade several years younger than they were at that point, he was also still relied upon to carry the offense. Neither Duncan or Dirk were by 2015, at their ages.

The Heat went from 40 to 41.5 M. Seriously? The Nuggets were offering 52 M. You probably didn't have to get to the Bulls' 47 M, but you needed to give him room to save face, like 45 M or something.

The Palm Beach Post had an interesting article today asking why the Heat didn't use Bird Rights this year. Give him his one-year 37 M now. Once you miss Durant and your roster is mugged in free agency, why not? You've now locked him down until he hangs it up, and Wade/ Whiteside/ Dragic/ Winslow probably still gets you to the playoffs in the East.

The problem now, even if Bosh comes back, is that there's nobody to steal games they have no business winning, which Wade did about 15 times last year, counting season and postseason. Welcome to life without a closer.

Duncan went from a little over $21 million in 2011-12 to a little over $9 million in 2012-13. You don't think Duncan or Dirk still carried offenses? Last season was that case for Duncan but he was still doing it in 2015.

Miami had renounced Dwyane's bird rights because his cap hold was $30 million.

[jagz]

False. Duncan started taking major pay cuts in 2012 when it looked like the wheels were about to fall off the Spurs so he did that to keep them together. Dirk's been willing to take pay cuts to as far back as 2008 for 2010 free agents. He didn't need to, they used Dampier's contract in 2010 for Tyson Chandler that summer. There was no need for him to take cuts but he was always willing to do so to win. No, Dirk was never leaving Dallas for GS. You would've had to really push Dirk out the door in Dallas to get him to leave.

Also, the Heat did increase their offer to Dwyane.

I'm talking about the steep cuts in the 10 M range that they took that everyone always cites. Those were only in the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Not only is Wade several years younger than they were at that point, he was also still relied upon to carry the offense. Neither Duncan or Dirk were by 2015, at their ages.

The Heat went from 40 to 41.5 M. Seriously? The Nuggets were offering 52 M. You probably didn't have to get to the Bulls' 47 M, but you needed to give him room to save face, like 45 M or something.

The Palm Beach Post had an interesting article today asking why the Heat didn't use Bird Rights this year. Give him his one-year 37 M now. Once you miss Durant and your roster is mugged in free agency, why not? You've now locked him down until he hangs it up, and Wade/ Whiteside/ Dragic/ Winslow probably still gets you to the playoffs in the East.

The problem now, even if Bosh comes back, is that there's nobody to steal games they have no business winning, which Wade did about 15 times last year, counting season and postseason. Welcome to life without a closer.

If the Palm Beach post put that in their article, they are clueless. We had renounce Wade in order to resign Whiteside. If Miami uses bird rights on Wade, there is no Hassan Whiteside. Dumb suggestion by Post (if true, I haven't read it).

I deleted that paragraph after I read some social media reactions to the piece, because I realized I was just going by the info in the article. Nevertheless, your point still brings up the issues of Wade feeling like he wasn't a priority and the question of why Whiteside didn't take less, considering Wade had a little bit to do with his big deal, at least in terms of the calculus of his offensive worth. There has still been no good answer as to why he was willing to do that for Durant and Wade, but apparently not just Wade, according to Winderman's weaselly explanation.

[NBADraft2003]

I'm talking about the steep cuts in the 10 M range that they took that everyone always cites. Those were only in the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Not only is Wade several years younger than they were at that point, he was also still relied upon to carry the offense. Neither Duncan or Dirk were by 2015, at their ages.

The Heat went from 40 to 41.5 M. Seriously? The Nuggets were offering 52 M. You probably didn't have to get to the Bulls' 47 M, but you needed to give him room to save face, like 45 M or something.

The Palm Beach Post had an interesting article today asking why the Heat didn't use Bird Rights this year. Give him his one-year 37 M now. Once you miss Durant and your roster is mugged in free agency, why not? You've now locked him down until he hangs it up, and Wade/ Whiteside/ Dragic/ Winslow probably still gets you to the playoffs in the East.

The problem now, even if Bosh comes back, is that there's nobody to steal games they have no business winning, which Wade did about 15 times last year, counting season and postseason. Welcome to life without a closer.

If the Palm Beach post put that in their article, they are clueless. We had renounce Wade in order to resign Whiteside. If Miami uses bird rights on Wade, there is no Hassan Whiteside. Dumb suggestion by Post (if true, I haven't read it).

I deleted that paragraph after I read some social media reactions to the piece, because I realized I was just going by the info in the article. Nevertheless, your point still brings up the issues of Wade feeling like he wasn't a priority and the question of why Whiteside didn't take less, considering Wade had a little bit to do with his big deal, at least in terms of the calculus of his offensive worth. There has still been no good answer as to why he was willing to do that for Durant and Wade, but not just Wade, according to Winderman's weaselly explanation.

Definitely not what I heard, Hassan was very willing to take a pay cut for him if they were able to get a deal done. Notice how he signed for that figure AFTER the Heat and Dwyane situation was over.

[jagz]

If the Palm Beach post put that in their article, they are clueless. We had renounce Wade in order to resign Whiteside. If Miami uses bird rights on Wade, there is no Hassan Whiteside. Dumb suggestion by Post (if true, I haven't read it).

I deleted that paragraph after I read some social media reactions to the piece, because I realized I was just going by the info in the article. Nevertheless, your point still brings up the issues of Wade feeling like he wasn't a priority and the question of why Whiteside didn't take less, considering Wade had a little bit to do with his big deal, at least in terms of the calculus of his offensive worth. There has still been no good answer as to why he was willing to do that for Durant and Wade, but not just Wade, according to Winderman's weaselly explanation.

Definitely not what I heard, Hassan was very willing to take a pay cut for him if they were able to get a deal done. Notice how he signed for that figure AFTER the Heat and Dwyane situation was over.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/heat-blog/sfl-maimi-heat-ask-ira-adam-silver-s071616-story.html

Q: Ira, why was Hassan Whiteside so willing (allegedly willing) to take a pay cut for Kevin Durant but not one for Dwyane Wade? -- Bruce, Boca Raton.

A: This has been misstated on several occasions during free agency. What Hassan and his representation were willing to do was shave as much as $9 million from his ultimate deal to help facilitate both the signing of Durant and the re-signing of Wade -- as a package deal. There never was delineation of where the money would go. In fact, because Durant would have been assured of the max, any giveback by Whiteside effectively would have gone to Wade. Once Durant turned elsewhere, Whiteside moved forward with the initial agreement. This was never about Whiteside choosing between Wade or Durant. This was Whiteside hoping to have both alongside.

As I said, weaselly.

[NBADraft2003]

I deleted that paragraph after I read some social media reactions to the piece, because I realized I was just going by the info in the article. Nevertheless, your point still brings up the issues of Wade feeling like he wasn't a priority and the question of why Whiteside didn't take less, considering Wade had a little bit to do with his big deal, at least in terms of the calculus of his offensive worth. There has still been no good answer as to why he was willing to do that for Durant and Wade, but not just Wade, according to Winderman's weaselly explanation.

Definitely not what I heard, Hassan was very willing to take a pay cut for him if they were able to get a deal done. Notice how he signed for that figure AFTER the Heat and Dwyane situation was over.

[url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/heat-blog/sfl-maimi-heat-ask-ira-adam-silver-s071616-story.html
[/url]

Q: Ira, why was Hassan Whiteside so willing (allegedly willing) to take a pay cut for Kevin Durant but not one for Dwyane Wade? -- Bruce, Boca Raton.

A: This has been misstated on several occasions during free agency. What Hassan and his representation were willing to do was shave as much as $9 million from his ultimate deal to help facilitate both the signing of Durant and the re-signing of Wade -- as a package deal. There never was delineation of where the money would go. In fact, because Durant would have been assured of the max, any giveback by Whiteside effectively would have gone to Wade. Once Durant turned elsewhere, Whiteside moved forward with the initial agreement. This was never about Whiteside choosing between Wade or Durant. This was Whiteside hoping to have both alongside.

As I said, weaselly.

Like I said, not from what I heard from other national guys with ties down here.

[jagz]

Definitely not what I heard, Hassan was very willing to take a pay cut for him if they were able to get a deal done. Notice how he signed for that figure AFTER the Heat and Dwyane situation was over.

[url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/heat-blog/sfl-maimi-heat-ask-ira-adam-silver-s071616-story.html
[/url]

Q: Ira, why was Hassan Whiteside so willing (allegedly willing) to take a pay cut for Kevin Durant but not one for Dwyane Wade? -- Bruce, Boca Raton.

A: This has been misstated on several occasions during free agency. What Hassan and his representation were willing to do was shave as much as $9 million from his ultimate deal to help facilitate both the signing of Durant and the re-signing of Wade -- as a package deal. There never was delineation of where the money would go. In fact, because Durant would have been assured of the max, any giveback by Whiteside effectively would have gone to Wade. Once Durant turned elsewhere, Whiteside moved forward with the initial agreement. This was never about Whiteside choosing between Wade or Durant. This was Whiteside hoping to have both alongside.

As I said, weaselly.

Like I said, not from what I heard from other national guys with ties down here.

The details of this fustercluck are very murky, but the overall point is that it was incredibly preventable. And we deserve real answers, not the slick damage control / p.r. campaign with Wade playing along and everybody just moves on. I'm a journalist/ writer, and if I lived down there, I would be all over this.

[NBADraft2003]

[url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/heat-blog/sfl-maimi-heat-ask-ira-adam-silver-s071616-story.html
[/url]



As I said, weaselly.

Like I said, not from what I heard from other national guys with ties down here.

The details of this fustercluck are very murky, but the overall point is that it was incredibly preventable. And we deserve real answers, not the slick damage control / p.r. campaign with Wade playing along and just move on. I'm a journalist/ writer, and if I lived down there, I would be all over this.

Nobody's going to get any real answers. Remember the meeting with KD? Not a peep until I heard he told us that he didn't want to wait a year to build something.

[KingDavid]

Whiteside taking $9 million less would mean Wade would have had $23.75 million from us; up from the $21.5 million the team offered him...Wade was firm on the 25 or 3/60, I guess.

[contract]

Spoiler:

I'm talking about the steep cuts in the 10 M range that they took that everyone always cites. Those were only in the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Not only is Wade several years younger than they were at that point, he was also still relied upon to carry the offense. Neither Duncan or Dirk were by 2015, at their ages.

The Heat went from 40 to 41.5 M. Seriously? The Nuggets were offering 52 M. You probably didn't have to get to the Bulls' 47 M, but you needed to give him room to save face, like 45 M or something.

The Palm Beach Post had an interesting article today asking why the Heat didn't use Bird Rights this year. Give him his one-year 37 M now. Once you miss Durant and your roster is mugged in free agency, why not? You've now locked him down until he hangs it up, and Wade/ Whiteside/ Dragic/ Winslow probably still gets you to the playoffs in the East.

The problem now, even if Bosh comes back, is that there's nobody to steal games they have no business winning, which Wade did about 15 times last year, counting season and postseason. Welcome to life without a closer.

If the Palm Beach post put that in their article, they are clueless. We had renounce Wade in order to resign Whiteside. If Miami uses bird rights on Wade, there is no Hassan Whiteside. Dumb suggestion by Post (if true, I haven't read it).

I deleted that paragraph after I read some social media reactions to the piece, because I realized I was just going by the info in the article. Nevertheless, your point still brings up the issues of Wade feeling like he wasn't a priority and the question of why Whiteside didn't take less, considering Wade had a little bit to do with his big deal, at least in terms of the calculus of his offensive worth. There has still been no good answer as to why he was willing to do that for Durant and Wade, but apparently not just Wade, according to Winderman's weaselly explanation.

There isn't any reason for Whiteside to take a pay cut for Wade. Whiteside would be a moron to put himself in the same situation Wade was in of financing Pat's poor cap management. In 2010, the Big 3 all agreed to take less money so the Heat could sign Mike Miller. That cost each of them millions of dollars. After 3 years Miller was amnestied, but they were all still taking a hit on their salaries. The same thing supposedly happened last season with Dragic. Supposedly he took less so the Heat could pay Wade $20 million. Now Wade is gone, and Dragic is still paying for that 1 season for another 3 or 4 years.

It's unfair to put that on Whiteside or Dragic or any other player. Managing the cap is Pat Riley's job.