Mark Cuban: Warriors being the bad guy will be good for NBA

[jayjaypimpson]

The Warriors already were the bad guys, imo as a Cavs fan

Yes, Durant turning heel will make a great villain for the entire league to root against


I'm not really sacred of the Ws peeling off 4 or 5 Championships though; they still don't have an answer for Kyrie or Lebron

[sfhand]

I can't wait to see which team leads the league in jersey sales next year... and which players. I fully expect the Warriors to be at the top or a close second, and I expect several Warriors in the top 10. I think they will be the most popular "villains" ever, much to the chagrin of the local haters here; especially the ones suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

[GQ Hot Dog]

They are going to be really good, but think about it in an all time context - will any of these players be rated as highly as Kobe and Shaq all time? LeBron and D Wade? Answer to both is hell no. This team has two superstars and two good players - but for the most part, outside of Durant they could all be a product of the system they play in - and now we're changing it? Yikes.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as the four you mentioned. Klay and Dray are better than anybody either those guys played with and neither Klay and Dray have plateaued yet.

[gts1]

It's terrible for the NBA because parity doesn't exist. This is why the NBA will never reach NFL levels of interest in this country.

parity will never exist in the NBA because one or two players can have such a huge impact on the game. It's not like the NFL where you have dozens upon dozens of players on each team, situational substitutions and players only play one side of the ball.. much easier to institute something approaching parity vs a sport where if you have a Lebron James on your team you're instantly a playoff contender and the team he left is now scraping just to get off the floor

[bmurph128]

They are going to be really good, but think about it in an all time context - will any of these players be rated as highly as Kobe and Shaq all time? LeBron and D Wade? Answer to both is hell no. This team has two superstars and two good players - but for the most part, outside of Durant they could all be a product of the system they play in - and now we're changing it? Yikes.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as the four you mentioned. Klay and Dray are better than anybody either those guys played with and neither Klay and Dray have plateaued yet.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as D Wade - the other 3? Not even close.

And Chris Bosh was probably better than Klay and Draymond when they first all joined up.

[GQ Hot Dog]

They are going to be really good, but think about it in an all time context - will any of these players be rated as highly as Kobe and Shaq all time? LeBron and D Wade? Answer to both is hell no. This team has two superstars and two good players - but for the most part, outside of Durant they could all be a product of the system they play in - and now we're changing it? Yikes.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as the four you mentioned. Klay and Dray are better than anybody either those guys played with and neither Klay and Dray have plateaued yet.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as D Wade - the other 3? Not even close.

And Chris Bosh was probably better than Klay and Draymond when they first all joined up.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on all those points. No surprise there.

[woosah]

I don't see how anyone can say a person is arrogant, like from their core arrogant, when that person cries openly because they can't get back into a game and the coach took them out. An arrogant mofo would be like "b---- i'm StarX and i'm going back in" or just check their entitled self back in, or walk past and shoulder bump their coach for making the decision. Any person can do an arrogant thing, but the way they act most of the time tells the story of if they have this thought of themselves being more important than everyone else, sense of entitlement or feel they are above others which is the essence of an arrogant person.

There are different types of fans. Some do watch just to be entertained. They don't care who wins. THese are the kind that will like this superteam thing. The fan that likes competition may not. That type of fan doesn't watch to root against them. They won't watch something they can predict because the competition is what does it for them. I have done it (stopped watching) and will do it again. It isn't hard to do, especially when you can watch football or something else that you do feel is a true battle and you don't know who is going to win.

[Edrees]

The NBA can't touch NFL ratings.

That is partially due to scarcity of the product and has little to do with competitive balance.

The best NBA Finals game this year got a 11.8 share rating... can't even touch a regular season NFL game in the mid 20s... A poor game might get in the mid teens. NBA Finals are a scarcity, so that erases majority of your point.

But if you total the number of people who saw at least 1 finals game it will be close to the total number of people who watched the superbowl. It doesnt need as many people watching 1 specific game if theu get 7 opportunities for people to tune in.

[Old Man Game]

We need to see how it plays out in reality before we can determine how it impacts the league.

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[Devilzsidewalk]

I agree w/ Cuban. Every game will be must-see TV and every win against them will be just as juicy as last year, maybe even more-so. Like last year, the Wolves were not a good team at all, but getting a win on their homecourt made us feel like we had something going for the future. Every team that takes a game off them this year is gonna feel on top of the world.

[LilLeeroy]

They are going to be really good, but think about it in an all time context - will any of these players be rated as highly as Kobe and Shaq all time? LeBron and D Wade? Answer to both is hell no. This team has two superstars and two good players - but for the most part, outside of Durant they could all be a product of the system they play in - and now we're changing it? Yikes.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as the four you mentioned. Klay and Dray are better than anybody either those guys played with and neither Klay and Dray have plateaued yet.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as D Wade - the other 3? Not even close.

And Chris Bosh was probably better than Klay and Draymond when they first all joined up.

Both Curry and Durant have had seasons that can be argued as the greatest offensive seasons of all time, the only one that has had a more dominant season than both is LeBron.

[bmurph128]

Durant and Steph are in the same category as the four you mentioned. Klay and Dray are better than anybody either those guys played with and neither Klay and Dray have plateaued yet.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as D Wade - the other 3? Not even close.

And Chris Bosh was probably better than Klay and Draymond when they first all joined up.

Both Curry and Durant have had seasons that can be argued as the greatest offensive seasons of all time, the only one that has had a more dominant season than both is LeBron.

That's fine - I wouldn't argue their offensive abilities. But as all around basketball players, they just aren't close to Shaq/Kobe or LeBron/D Wade.

All 6 are/were elite offensive players, but those 4 were also great defenders (Shaq was in his prime). So for me, those 4 are in a league above KD and Curry.

[NBAfan3024]

Durant and Steph are in the same category as D Wade - the other 3? Not even close.

And Chris Bosh was probably better than Klay and Draymond when they first all joined up.

Both Curry and Durant have had seasons that can be argued as the greatest offensive seasons of all time, the only one that has had a more dominant season than both is LeBron.

That's fine - I wouldn't argue their offensive abilities. But as all around basketball players, they just aren't close to Shaq/Kobe or LeBron/D Wade.

All 6 are/were elite offensive players, but those 4 were also great defenders (Shaq was in his prime). So for me, those 4 are in a league above KD and Curry.

at this stage thats fair as Shaq and Kobe are two of the best 10 players of all time. Better to judge Steph and KD in 5-6 years time to see where they are at.

[LilLeeroy]

Durant and Steph are in the same category as D Wade - the other 3? Not even close.

And Chris Bosh was probably better than Klay and Draymond when they first all joined up.

Both Curry and Durant have had seasons that can be argued as the greatest offensive seasons of all time, the only one that has had a more dominant season than both is LeBron.

That's fine - I wouldn't argue their offensive abilities. But as all around basketball players, they just aren't close to Shaq/Kobe or LeBron/D Wade.

All 6 are/were elite offensive players, but those 4 were also great defenders (Shaq was in his prime). So for me, those 4 are in a league above KD and Curry.

Kevin Durant and Stephen Curry are a lot closer on defense to Dwyane Wade in his prime(both are statistically better than Kobe who is the most overrated defender of all time) than he was to either of them on offense. Shaq was a big so is more difficult to compare.

[Skin]

That is partially due to scarcity of the product and has little to do with competitive balance.

The best NBA Finals game this year got a 11.8 share rating... can't even touch a regular season NFL game in the mid 20s... A poor game might get in the mid teens. NBA Finals are a scarcity, so that erases majority of your point.

But if you total the number of people who saw at least 1 finals game it will be close to the total number of people who watched the superbowl. It doesnt need as many people watching 1 specific game if theu get 7 opportunities for people to tune in.

That's your own assumption.

[Edrees]

The best NBA Finals game this year got a 11.8 share rating... can't even touch a regular season NFL game in the mid 20s... A poor game might get in the mid teens. NBA Finals are a scarcity, so that erases majority of your point.

But if you total the number of people who saw at least 1 finals game it will be close to the total number of people who watched the superbowl. It doesnt need as many people watching 1 specific game if theu get 7 opportunities for people to tune in.

That's your own assumption.

I admit I was just guessing, but shouldn't be that the number we care about if we're comparing viewshership? Total number of people who tuned into the NBA championship vs total who tuned into the NFL championship. It doesn't seem like a fair comparison to only look at one NBA game.

[Hendrix]

They are going to be really good, but think about it in an all time context - will any of these players be rated as highly as Kobe and Shaq all time? LeBron and D Wade? Answer to both is hell no. This team has two superstars and two good players - but for the most part, outside of Durant they could all be a product of the system they play in - and now we're changing it? Yikes.

Durant and Steph are in the same category as D Wade - the other 3? Not even close.

And Chris Bosh was probably better than Klay and Draymond when they first all joined up.

Are we talking current versions of these Warriors players? Perhaps they aren't all going to be ranked as high as those guys due to longevity (Kobe was in the league forever). But, I'd put current Curry and Durant in the same category as all those guys and probably ahead of Kobe and Wade due to efficiency.

Also, Bosh isn't the best comparison due to him having to completely switch roles when he joined the Heat. Yes, he was a 20+ppg guy prior to the Heat, but he was no longer asked to do that with the Heat. Klay and Draymond can play to their strengths on the W's.

They have 2 MVP calibre players, and 2 all stars, which to me is above either the Heat or Lakers. Lakers had 2 MVP calibre guys but not 2 all stars after. Heat had 1 MVP caliber, 1 superstar and 1 all star.

[nbafan38]

The ratings will be worse for sure in the playoffs, no one on the east coast is staying up to watch the warriors sweep teams. The only series I stayed up late for were thunder-warriors and thunder-spurs. Well guess what now you won't have series like that worth staying up for. The finals will still get great ratings though assuming Lebron is there.

[Sherlock]

I am a long time dubs fan (~60 years old, grew up in the bay area, I remember, mostly, the old teams with Thurmond, etc), I have watched every game for the last several seasons (thanks csnbayarea!). This last season a growing number of dubs fans were present in every road game. To think these people will suddenly stop being dubs fans after the team gets better seems like a ridiculous construct to me.

It's not like the Warriors are pronouncing themselves "America's Team" or they are promising "not one, not two, not three" championships. All in all they are a confident yet humble group. I believe they will become more popular as more people are exposed to their talent and exciting style of play.

As was pointed out in another thread, popularity and being hated are not mutually exclusive. I believe the number of fans will far outweigh the number of haters. Of course that will not be reflected on sites like this one.

I'm sorry to say this, but the confident yet humble label went out the window the first time Draymond Green opened his mouth.

[sfhand]

I am a long time dubs fan (~60 years old, grew up in the bay area, I remember, mostly, the old teams with Thurmond, etc), I have watched every game for the last several seasons (thanks csnbayarea!). This last season a growing number of dubs fans were present in every road game. To think these people will suddenly stop being dubs fans after the team gets better seems like a ridiculous construct to me.

It's not like the Warriors are pronouncing themselves "America's Team" or they are promising "not one, not two, not three" championships. All in all they are a confident yet humble group. I believe they will become more popular as more people are exposed to their talent and exciting style of play.

As was pointed out in another thread, popularity and being hated are not mutually exclusive. I believe the number of fans will far outweigh the number of haters. Of course that will not be reflected on sites like this one.

I'm sorry to say this, but the confident yet humble label went out the window the first time Draymond Green opened his mouth.

So... Steph, Klay, and the other Warriors are arrogant because of something Draymond said? As for Draymond, have you listened to the hours of radio he has done? All the pre and post game interviews? I have, and he doesn't strike me as arrogant compared to a lot of other NBA players. It is pretty tiresome to keep reading other teams' fans taking shots at the character of the players on GS based on a few "sensationalized" incidents of one of their players.

After reading the general board for the last 2-3 years, I now understand why Bogut got his ring fitted for his middle finger.