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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1601 » by AFM » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:17 pm

Ruzious wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
fishercob wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]


Beautiful! Bravo.

Van Jones was brilliant, and the Trump guy gave him his props at the end, but... I still came away with the feeling that the Trump guy didn't really get it. He just liked that Van Jones talked to him.


You know who that is right? Look up "AIDS skrillex" on Google/YouTube.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/carl-the-cuck-and-aids-skrillex?full=1

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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1602 » by cammac » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:19 pm

Well the Keystone Cops convention is over and what we can conclude is that Republicans hate & vilify Hillary. That was very enlightening but no policy except make" America Great Again" while most of the world thinks it still is.

What should be disheartening is Trumps "bromance" with Putin and his efforts to weaken NATO who with it's flaws has been a effective alliance since it's inception. He seems willing to sacrifice Lithuania, Estonia & Latvia to the Kremlin since they are the outskirts of St. Petersburg. Canada, Britain & Germany have committed troops to all 3 countries and other NATO countries have committed warplanes on a rotating basis including Canada to defend those countries.

Yes in some cases NATO allies have been less than willing to shed blood in Afghanistan really the Americans, British and Canadians shed blood while others provided support. In the fight against ISIS Canada withdrew fighter jets because of backlash to civilian casualties but substantially increase Special Forces in Kurdish regions to successfully combat ISIS. The only policy that Trump has against ISIS is to carpet bomb Syria and not send troops. In Iraq ISIS is on the run they are rapidly losing all the territory and both the leadership and fighters are in disarray and likely about election time ISIS will be defeated in Iraq. In Syria I see that ISIS will be expelled in the Kurdish areas.

The rest is much harder because of the Syrian government at war primarily against a populous who want a change and secondary against ISIS.

Dismantling Free Trade agreements and having a isolationist policy is foolhardy since the USA benefits from trade as much as any country. People will point to China since they make many of Apple's products in Shenzhen 100,000 workers assemble I Phones etc. but that is only about 7% of the cost of the product. The majority costs are on German, Korean, Taiwan and Japanese components. Yes those 100,000 jobs could be moved to the USA maybe to a "Right To Work State" at $6.25 cents a hour since Trump doesn't believe in living wages for Americans. Obviously that would increase Apples costs to slightly more than 10% for assembly if they could find the workforce. Wouldn't it be better to spend the time doing research to produce the higher priced components that would produce higher vale jobs? "Made in America" nice concept bring back those jobs in consumer goods like clothing and shoes which do employ many people. But will the American consumer be willing to pay substantially more for clothing and the reality is those industries move because of the Walmart's of the world to cheaper labor markets. Now from China to Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia and Bangladesh.

The police I think most people of any color have respect for the police but it is also a fact that when police join a force no matter what color they turn BLUE. The majority of officers are well meaning and are there to Serve & Protect but as in any other portion of society outlaws exist. Are there more abuses by police in Black & Latino communities obviously yes but both communities have some endemic problems. But overall the crime statistics have gone down and yes murders have increased but then so has gun ownership wonder what the relationship better % of new guns to murders are??????????

Nothing that Trump proposes is creditable sorry.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1603 » by Ruzious » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:38 pm

And while the convention was stealing music from artists that told them not to, they should have stolen this - for Trump's view of what Obama and Hillary have done to the country. Wow was Trump negative, and of course, he's the only one who can fix things. Trump's using the old "Scare the stupid people approach", because he's banking on voters being... stupid.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1604 » by Induveca » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:46 pm

Last night's speech, regardless of interpretation, was extremely powerful and very targeted...likely to none of us on this board. Pollsters and pundits can't predict this election, as they can't accurately poll the people Trump is wooing.

There have been close to 6 million US manufacturing jobs lost this century. Estimates vary wildly (making predictions tough), but for each of these jobs lost 10-20 other working individuals were severely impacted in mostly rural communities.

How many are wooed by his targeted message? It won't shock me in the least if he wins. This election can't accurately be predicted in my opinion.

Biden would have been an infinitely better candidate vs Trump.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1605 » by AFM » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:16 pm

Milo "GOAT" Yianny

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW20lMoWMU[/youtube]

I've gone from hating this guy to being awed by him. GOAT. Just GOAT.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE[/youtube]

GOAT
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1606 » by montestewart » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:22 pm

AFM wrote:Milo "GOAT" Yianny

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW20lMoWMU[/youtube]

I've gone from hating this guy to being awed by him. GOAT. Just GOAT.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE[/youtube]

GOAT

I've gone from not knowing who he is to not knowing who he is
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1607 » by bsilver » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:22 pm

It would be great if the presidential election would be decided by voters following the thoughtful analysis by Cammac, or by any thoughtful analysis, for that matter. However, I don't think most voters care about analysis. If their candidate says free trade is bad, then that makes it so. I think the election will be decided by:
1) Turnout of younger voters. Turnout of this group is typically low, and lack of enthusiasm for both candidates will probably keep it low. These voters will mostly vote Clinton, so she has to whip them up more.
2) Can Clinton keep traditional working class Democratic voters in the fold. Trump's strategy is to take away these voters in the mid-western swing states.
3) White married women typically vote Republican. Clinton a has good chance to reduce the disparity. Not because she's a woman or her positions, but because of Trump's extreme rhetoric, and actions towards women. Gun control may work in Clinton's favor, but that's no certainty.
4) Will Clinton win over enough Bernie supporters? Currently, not yet. 90+% have to come over, and it's now in the 80's. The next few days, with impassioned pleas by Sanders, Obama, and Warren will decide. Past history indicates they will support Clinton. In blue states, many Bernie supporters indicate they will vote for Jill Stein, since Clinton will win the state. This suppresses Clinton's totals in the polls, but shouldn't affect the end result. Wonder if a similar phenomenon will occur in red states with Gary Johnson?
5) Many mainstream Republicans can't stand Trump or Clinton. Most will vote Republican, but many are still wondering what to do. If Trump tames his rhetoric he could bring them back, but he hasn't shown he's willing.
6) The debates. Barring some huge world/national events, the debates may be the only game changer. Clinton should be the favorite. Trump will have to steer the debates to the nasty side. A discussion of the issues will not work for him. He has to make it personal.
7) VP choice. Usually doesn't matter. Pence doesn't matter. A Kaine or Vilsack doesn't matter. Possibly, Corey Booker, or Elizabeth Warren could stir up the young voters, and Bernie supporters.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1608 » by AFM » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:27 pm

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AFM wrote:Milo "GOAT" Yianny

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW20lMoWMU[/youtube]

I've gone from hating this guy to being awed by him. GOAT. Just GOAT.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE[/youtube]

GOAT

I've gone from not knowing who he is to not knowing who he is


Gay British anti-SJW anti-feminist journalist

Look up his infamous event "The Triggering".

Every college he goes to, the "safe space SJW third wave feminist" student groups come out and protest

This video is highly worth your time

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY1H1rZL53I[/youtube]
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1609 » by nate33 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:35 pm

cammac wrote:Well the Keystone Cops convention is over and what we can conclude is that Republicans hate & vilify Hillary. That was very enlightening but no policy except make" America Great Again" while most of the world thinks it still is.

And this differs from every other Republican or Democrat convention in the past 20 years how? Don't you expect Hillary to hate and vilify Trump? The only modest difference between the two parties is that Democrats have the luxury of allowing the media to do the dirty work of hate and vilification, so they can stay "above the fray". Republicans have to do the dirty work themselves.

cammac wrote:What should be disheartening is Trumps "bromance" with Putin and his efforts to weaken NATO who with it's flaws has been a effective alliance since it's inception. He seems willing to sacrifice Lithuania, Estonia & Latvia to the Kremlin since they are the outskirts of St. Petersburg. Canada, Britain & Germany have committed troops to all 3 countries and other NATO countries have committed warplanes on a rotating basis including Canada to defend those countries.

Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia have significant minority populations of ethnic Russians, just as in the Crimea. There has never really been a satisfactory sorting out of ethnic groups following the collapse of the U.S.S.R. These ethnic tensions are complicated, and may be best resolved by redrawing some of the borders. For the most part, I think Western involvement in these matters should be limited. I certainly don't think they're worth risking WWIII. Russia could very well be our best ally in what I consider to be a much more important and relevant struggle - the war against the expansion of radical Islam. I think it's prudent to try and form better relations with Russia so we can work together against this mutual threat.

cammac wrote:Yes in some cases NATO allies have been less than willing to shed blood in Afghanistan really the Americans, British and Canadians shed blood while others provided support. In the fight against ISIS Canada withdrew fighter jets because of backlash to civilian casualties but substantially increase Special Forces in Kurdish regions to successfully combat ISIS. The only policy that Trump has against ISIS is to carpet bomb Syria and not send troops. In Iraq ISIS is on the run they are rapidly losing all the territory and both the leadership and fighters are in disarray and likely about election time ISIS will be defeated in Iraq. In Syria I see that ISIS will be expelled in the Kurdish areas.

I'm not nearly as optimistic as you that ISIS will be destroyed. And if they are, they will merely be replaced by some other radical Sunni group. The ideological source of this trouble is really Saudi Arabia and their funding of Wahhabism. Hillary Clinton of all people is ill-equipped to deal with the Saudi's since she is in their pocket. The Saudi's have given millions to the Clinton Foundation.

cammac wrote:Dismantling Free Trade agreements and having a isolationist policy is foolhardy since the USA benefits from trade as much as any country. People will point to China since they make many of Apple's products in Shenzhen 100,000 workers assemble I Phones etc. but that is only about 7% of the cost of the product. The majority costs are on German, Korean, Taiwan and Japanese components. Yes those 100,000 jobs could be moved to the USA maybe to a "Right To Work State" at $6.25 cents a hour since Trump doesn't believe in living wages for Americans. Obviously that would increase Apples costs to slightly more than 10% for assembly if they could find the workforce. Wouldn't it be better to spend the time doing research to produce the higher priced components that would produce higher vale jobs? "Made in America" nice concept bring back those jobs in consumer goods like clothing and shoes which do employ many people. But will the American consumer be willing to pay substantially more for clothing and the reality is those industries move because of the Walmart's of the world to cheaper labor markets. Now from China to Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia and Bangladesh.

You can't make the entire country work in high value jobs because half of the country has an IQ too low for technological work. I see modest trade protectionism as a much more effective and efficient form of wealth redistribution. Instead of paying people to do nothing (welfare), you spend to artificially subsidize low skill work that would otherwise go overseas. Yes, the net costs of producing some things in America are higher than allowing them to be produced in China, but we can save a ton of money on welfare expenses while simultaneously increasing revenue via tariffs and income taxes. If administered properly, it's a net win. (Also, getting people to work so that they feel more valuable to their community is spiritually uplifting and good for social cohesion; and it keeps them out of trouble.) The trick is to know when you're pushing the protectionist policies too far. It's true that the costs of producing some things domestically are so much greater than the savings in welfare reduction/tax revenue, that it doesn't make economic sense. You have to know when to cut your losses. For example, protectionist policies have worked and continue to work for the auto industry, but I wouldn't advocate trying to reclaim the textile industry.

cammac wrote:The police I think most people of any color have respect for the police but it is also a fact that when police join a force no matter what color they turn BLUE. The majority of officers are well meaning and are there to Serve & Protect but as in any other portion of society outlaws exist. Are there more abuses by police in Black & Latino communities obviously yes but both communities have some endemic problems. But overall the crime statistics have gone down and yes murders have increased but then so has gun ownership wonder what the relationship better % of new guns to murders are??????????


The increase in crime is massive (17% in 2 years) but localized mostly to big cities (where gun control is strongest). Basically, it's blacks being whipped up into a frenzy by the BLM movement with the simultaneous "Ferguson effect" of police officers being afraid to proactively police black neighborhoods. These issues are directly related to Obama and the Democrats' rhetoric. I'm not saying the Democrats don't have a point. There are indeed problems with bad cops that need to be addressed. But Trump also has a point that overzealous prosecution of cops and excessive tolerance for black violence will drive up the crime rate.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1610 » by AFM » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:37 pm

Best part is 1:42

A wild snorlax appears!!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1611 » by nate33 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:37 pm

AFM wrote:Milo "GOAT" Yianny

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW20lMoWMU[/youtube]

I've gone from hating this guy to being awed by him. GOAT. Just GOAT.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE[/youtube]

GOAT


Milo is indeed the GOAT. He's like a funnier, more articulate, less condescending version of Ann Coulter, but with gay, Jewish credentials that protect him from accusations of bigotry. The guy is brilliant.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1612 » by nuposse04 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:51 pm

He actually calls him Daddy, kind of hysterical. Quality troll though.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1613 » by TGW » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:54 pm

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AFM wrote:Milo "GOAT" Yianny

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW20lMoWMU[/youtube]

I've gone from hating this guy to being awed by him. GOAT. Just GOAT.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUozYwjLxrE[/youtube]

GOAT

I've gone from not knowing who he is to not knowing who he is


He's a racist gay conservative troll, not worth paying any mind to.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1614 » by DCZards » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:00 pm

nate33 wrote:And this differs from every other Republican or Democrat convention in the past 20 years how? Don't you expect Hillary to hate and vilify Trump? The only modest difference between the two parties is that Democrats have the luxury of allowing the media to do the dirty work of hate and vilification, so they can stay "above the fray". Republicans have to do the dirty work themselves.



Yes, you could argue that the Dems have a left-leaning media in their corner, but there's no argument that the Repubs have the most blatantly partisan (some would say most hateful) network in America to help them do their dirty work--Fox News.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1615 » by nate33 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:08 pm

TGW wrote:He's a racist gay conservative troll, not worth paying any mind to.

When has he ever said anything racist?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1616 » by AFM » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:21 pm

nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:He's a racist gay conservative troll, not worth paying any mind to.

When has he ever said anything racist?


Don't expect a meaningful response.

TGW comes in here, writes something dismissive like "he's a libertarian, so he doesn't live in reality" or "he's a gay racist troll, not worth paying any mind to" then jets. That's his MO.

That and, "every terrorist attack ISIS carries out is justified, it's called collateral damage"
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1617 » by Wizardspride » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:36 pm

nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:He's a racist gay conservative troll, not worth paying any mind to.

When has he ever said anything racist?

Isn't he the guy that was egging on people to harrass comedian Leslie Jones?

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1618 » by TGW » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:38 pm

AFM wrote:
nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:He's a racist gay conservative troll, not worth paying any mind to.

When has he ever said anything racist?


Don't expect a meaningful response.

TGW comes in here, writes something dismissive like "he's a libertarian, so he doesn't live in reality" or "he's a gay racist troll, not worth paying any mind to" then jets. That's his MO.

That and, "every terrorist attack ISIS carries out is justified, it's called collateral damage"


No I'm still here A. F. M. and we already know what that stands for. Why don't you look up why Milo Yonnopoopoolus or whatever the hell his name is got banned from twitter.

I don't care who you suck off, but I call things the way I see it. That dude has zero value in society. It's not a coincidence you look up to him.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1619 » by AFM » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:39 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
nate33 wrote:
TGW wrote:He's a racist gay conservative troll, not worth paying any mind to.

When has he ever said anything racist?

Isn't he the guy that was egging on people to harrass comedian Leslie Jones?

Did you watch the video I posted of them just discussing that?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part IX 

Post#1620 » by AFM » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:45 pm

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AFM wrote:
nate33 wrote:When has he ever said anything racist?


Don't expect a meaningful response.

TGW comes in here, writes something dismissive like "he's a libertarian, so he doesn't live in reality" or "he's a gay racist troll, not worth paying any mind to" then jets. That's his MO.

That and, "every terrorist attack ISIS carries out is justified, it's called collateral damage"


No I'm still here A. F. M. and we already know what that stands for. Why don't you look up why Milo Yonnopoopoolus or whatever the hell his name is got banned from twitter.

I don't care who you suck off, but I call things the way I see it. That dude has zero value in society. It's not a coincidence you look up to him.


Careful, that wasn't very ladylike of you.
I'm well aware of why he was banned. Do you? Basically for no reason.
He also made a good point, he was banned for being mean, but ISIS is allowed to continue on Twitter. So I don't really care whose account Twitter bans. I'll make my own decisions on who I think adds value to society, thank you. We know it's not you. Frankly you're the biggest troll on this board. I thought you had me on ignore because I hurt your feewings?

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