Official Caris LeVert Thread

[Net Sentence]

For some Nets fans, Thaddeus Young now is better than a mix of Blake Griffin and Paul Millsap.

Young is a good starter, he is a good guy, but he doesn't stretch the floor and he isn't a cornerstone of this or other franchise.
Young is better than Booker? Probably he is, but how much? Booker maybe is a better fit for play with Lopez and he's cheaper. You get #20 pick and a second future pick for him, and clearly weren't other offers for him.
Then you use cap space for trying to take your target, TJ and Crabbe. He made a good job.

Where did I compare or insinuate that Thad is an all-star level PF???
Which PF that Marks brought in stretches the floor???

Thad is a lot better then Booker. Not a little; a lot.

Our #20 pick was a mid second rounder and our second round pick is protected.

How many wins are the Nets going to have from Marks trying to get Crabbe and TJ. Almost doesnt count in the NBA last time I checked.

But keep strawmaning away with your little Griffin and Millsap comment. Marks's two big developmental acquisitions is a guy coming off 3 foot injuries and the biggest bust to be taken #1 ever.

I said some Nets fans, not you

Last year Young play with us, and how many wins? 21. Young don't change anything for us. And Thad is a lot better than Booker for us is your opinion, not a fact.

Why keep Brook if you use that logic? He has been the common thread between a 12, 24, 21.

Since Thad was the one holding this team back, Im sure Booker will make us playoff worthy.

I don't know if LeVert was the plan A or not, but in this situation, a young player with talent to develop, is better than a Young or something. You must to rebuild and there's no picks for tank (with Young, in that case). You choose a coach who is good to develop players.

Mock draft are ****, they don't say anything.

On Bennett, we'll see.

Plan A has been in place for a while now. It's getting all of the ducks in a row to sell the team. That's why the future draft picks didnt matter. It's why the Nets have been cost cutting for a while. Stretching DWill, buying out JJ, hiring the cheapest coach and GM, trading Thad and his 3rd year, trying to get the poison pill contract to manipulate the salary cap so they only have to pay 6 mil to get 12 million on the cap. The Nets were always a necessary evil to get one of the largest real estate projects in the world green lit. Bringing a professional sports team to Brooklyn has always been the grease on the wheels for Prokorov's true ambition. He doesnt mind sinking big money into a training facility because it's a hard asset and likely to turn a profit. Prokorov realizes that he doesnt even have to spend a lot on the players payroll anymore either. Even though we are likely to be a worst team than last season, I bet you we sell more season tickets now because we got Jeremy Lin. There has been a number of reports about him gauging offers in a possible sale of the team and of his assets being frozen in Russia ever since the government raided his companies.

[ChokeFasncists]

So basically you're happy with mediocrity? You're happy with being a perennial 8th seed year after year? You know what overpaying Williams/Bazemore would've done? It would've made us a borderline playoff team with a ton of cap committed to 2 players thus no room for flexibility, you're cool with that?

If you are that's fine, but some of us here would actually like to see this team build a team capable of competing not only for a year or two but for many more years after that and not only a team that scrapes by the 8th seed but genuine title contenders. If that means sacrificing some year then so be it. It would've been better if we had more valuable assets to build upon such as draft picks but your boy King decided to give them away. RHJ, CmC, LeVert are nice but there's still too much uncertainty with each of them.

The bottom line is, King destroyed the future of this team when he was at the helm and now we are seeing the fruits of his labour for 2nd round exits. Now I'm not too happy with how Marks has done this offseason but to pin the blame all on him is just plain wrong, especially when you consider that this is his FIRST offseason and the cards he was dealt, nobody, I repeat NOBODY could've done a better job than what he's done.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on this topic. You're clearly not seeing the bigger picture over here and just straight finger pointing at Marks despite circumstances out of his control whilst praising King (and you're really going out of you way to praise him) for putting us in this position in the first place.

Talkin' 'bout instant vs delayed gratification.

Most NBA fans don't like the purgatory, but I guess to each his own!

Compared to being the worst team in the NBA with no draft pick. Yes purgatory doesnt sound so bad.

Whatever. Purgatory means you stay there forever (or a long long time).

This year's gonna be bad, but don't forget, there's no high pick but there's the possibility that LeVert is good and we get someone very good with the Boston pick. Then in the offseason there'll be more capraise and the crop of FAs are better than this. If we're able to sign a star or two, that'd be it. The next pick to Boston would be low. Of course, if we don't get anyone next offseason......

In the meantime, let's just hope they play hard, overachieve and create a great environment that could attract future FAs.

[brook]

Where did I compare or insinuate that Thad is an all-star level PF???
Which PF that Marks brought in stretches the floor???

Thad is a lot better then Booker. Not a little; a lot.

Our #20 pick was a mid second rounder and our second round pick is protected.

How many wins are the Nets going to have from Marks trying to get Crabbe and TJ. Almost doesnt count in the NBA last time I checked.

But keep strawmaning away with your little Griffin and Millsap comment. Marks's two big developmental acquisitions is a guy coming off 3 foot injuries and the biggest bust to be taken #1 ever.

I said some Nets fans, not you

Last year Young play with us, and how many wins? 21. Young don't change anything for us. And Thad is a lot better than Booker for us is your opinion, not a fact.

Why keep Brook if you use that logic? He has been the common thread between a 12, 24, 21.

Since Thad was the one holding this team back, Im sure Booker will make us playoff worthy.

I don't know if LeVert was the plan A or not, but in this situation, a young player with talent to develop, is better than a Young or something. You must to rebuild and there's no picks for tank (with Young, in that case). You choose a coach who is good to develop players.

Mock draft are ****, they don't say anything.

On Bennett, we'll see.

Plan A has been in place for a while now. It's getting all of the ducks in a row to sell the team. That's why the future draft picks didnt matter. It's why the Nets have been cost cutting for a while. Stretching DWill, buying out JJ, hiring the cheapest coach and GM, trading Thad and his 3rd year, trying to get the poison pill contract to manipulate the salary cap so they only have to pay 6 mil to get 12 million on the cap. The Nets were always a necessary evil to get one of the largest real estate projects in the world green lit. Bringing a professional sports team to Brooklyn has always been the grease on the wheels for Prokorov's true ambition. He doesnt mind sinking big money into a training facility because it's a hard asset and likely to turn a profit. Prokorov realizes that he doesnt even have to spend a lot on the players payroll anymore either. Even though we are likely to be a worst team than last season, I bet you we sell more season tickets now because we got Jeremy Lin. There has been a number of reports about him gauging offers in a possible sale of the team and of his assets being frozen in Russia ever since the government raided his companies.

Because Brook Lopez is a borderline all-star, not a role player like Thaddeus.
Offensively, Lopez is one of the best center in the entire league.
Brook Lopez also is a Net inside.
You don't change him for the sake of change. You don't change him for Perkins and Perry Jones.

I don't understand about Prokhorov, there's a process here and we must have patience.
We don't care about Boston's picks, if they choose at #1, #3 of #15 it's doesn't our concern. We have to go our way. Like I said, we choose a new GM because he believes in built new culture, then he choose a coach famous for developing players. We get rookies and other prospect, everything goes in the same direction. There's a plan here, a logical thread, after many years of improvisation.
I'm happy for this.

[treiz]

Being the worst team can effect the next 10-12 years if Boston gets a franchise player. You say you dont condone tanking yet that's exactly what we are doing. Lopez is the only regular NBA starter on the team. RFA are a long shot. I know this. You know this. Everyone knows this except Marks because his entire plan had a very low chance of succeeding. He showed his inexperience. He lacked the insight to know what was going to happen in FA. Was it because he doesnt have strong relationships with agents? IDK. What I do know is that Marks didnt have to trade Thad. He chose too in order to free cap space. You dont do that unless you are sure you can use it.

And who says Lin, Bazemore, Marv Williams/RHJ, Thad, Lopez is only an 8 seed. I think they would be 4 or 5 in the East.

That's highly unlikely unless we're talking about the next Lebron or at least the next Anthony Davis in this upcoming draft, and they pan out straight from the draft, such an unlikely scenario. Yes and I did clearly state that I'm not happy with how this season has panned out, but to place the blame all on Marks is ludicrous, his approach to overpay RFA's was a worthy gamble. You say that it was a long shot yet everybody, I mean everybody (news sites, forums, "pundits" etc.) predicted that we would get at least one of them, that's how much we overpayed for them, we gave them poison pill contracts and player options etc. We made the decision for them to match very difficult but unfortunately it still failed. I can see the approach he took.

The reason he went for these players is due to their upside and their hunger to get playing time, and it's pretty obvious the type of culture he was trying to bring into this organisation, you know this and I know this. Williams/Bazemore/Turner/Barnes, they already have the playing time for a successful NBA career, they already have that opportunity so the only thing we could offer them was money and in an unlikely case, winning and this is dependent on everything falling into place. So if you were any of these players, why gamble moving to the Nets for an extra $2-$3 million who have no valuable assets, a pretty toxic environment moving forward should these signings be made just to play for an 8-seed (well we never know what seed now, but we can both agree it's a first-round exit at the very best)? And that's assuming all the cards fall in place. It's not always about the money.

Again, I'm going to break it down to you. Nobody here is saying that Marks is some sort of great GM who had the best offseason ever, all this entire board is saying is that given the cards Marks was given this is probably the best job he could've done. No other GM, not even your boy King could've saved this offseason from the disaster that he placed it in.

You dont get to argue both sides.If FA will shun us then why the hell did Marks trade Thad? Why will having cap space/flexibility matter more next season? We are still going to be terrible. We still arent going to have draft picks. The cap is still going up giving teams alot of money to spend. It would have made a lot more sense to overspend on H Barnes or Bazemore this offseason then overspending for the same level of player next year when they will cost more.

But his main targets weren't the like of Bazemore/Williams/Turner which you completely saw in his approach by offering them what everybody else offered. The ones that were high on his target list, the Lin/TY/Crabbe etc, the ones that he went after early on did sign their contracts. He obviously felt that he had a good shot at TJ/Crabbe and he did, everybody and their mother thought we would get at least one of them considering the pickle we put those teams through.

But you know that having cap space wasn't the plan post FA period, he was just about to try and sign TJ/Crabbe to big contracts. There's also another round of FA's next season too you know, or how about the fact that during the season a team could get rid of some unwanted cap and trade us a pick to absorb their bad contracts. Other teams might try and involve us in a 3-team trade to absorb some bad contracts in return for a prospect or draft picks. There's still some flexibility but it's limited. Again with regards to Barnes/Bazemore, read above.

I would have liked to see King get a chance at this free agency crop. He always managed to get us good players. He got us Jack for nothing. He drafted Plumlee who he then flipped into RHJ. McCullough looks like a very good pick. Bogdanovic was taken in the 2nd round. He got Thad in a trade and resigned him to a good contract. Everyone is giving Marks credit for almost getting two backups in TJ and Crabbe. Kings near gets were all-NBA level (prime Melo and prime Dwight). From the way you make it sound, anyone who GM's this team cant be successful. At least with King I knew he could draft well late in a draft and not reach on a guy 20 picks before he was being forcasted.

King also managed to put us in this heaping mess to begin with, what you listed will never overcome the damage that he put it in this team unless RHJ or CmC turns out to be All-Stars and even then the credit should go to Atkinson if that happens. Like I said nobody is giving credit to Marks, at the end of the day given his situation he couldn't have done any better. Again, RHJ and CmC are not guaranteed prospects, they are raw and very uncertain for one reason or another, so why do they get a pass but drafting LeVert doesn't? Because a mock draft says so? Cripes.....

That's such a terrible point to make, first like I said this is Marks first offseason for a REBUILDING team of course his misses were going to be of that calibre. Whereas King was always trying to push to win it all so yes his misses are going to be of high quality. Oh and when did he miss on Melo? I also don't see you complaining about how despite Orlando trying to rebuild, King couldn't get Dwight to not sign that tender sheet and stay with Orlando for a year, I thought this dude had contacts or something? I thought he was some sort of FA guru?

[Rockice_24]

It really isn't though, because what King did had detrimental effects 3-4 years down the line. Not signing FA's will only affect us for one year. It affected us last year, and will affect us again for the next 2 years in terms of draft position, which is why it'll be difficult to rebuild. My word you're really going out of your way to defend King.

Plus he didn't lock up all his cap space anyway. Once Crabbe was signed all the real FA worth anything were pretty much gone.

Can't believe you just compared King trading 1sts to Marks missing out two RFAs who are borderline starters. Worst thing I've read on here in quite some time.

Great we have cap space but just threw away the season. I would rather watch the team win with overpriced players then to watch them lose with cap space. Im not OK with this. He's going to use the same damn excuse next offseason as to why he couldn't close on any free agents. I am interested in results, not how close he got at getting Crabbe and TJ. This is a bottom line business and he gets a big fat F for this offseason. Not only do we not have any proven NBA starters outside of Lopez, Marks didn't get any good young prospects that will be building blocks.

Glad you know that for a fact. Guess we should cut Levert and Whitehead now and sign Waiters.

This team is in the worst position of any team in the NBA by far thanks to King. This was a horrible offseason to rebuild, next season will be much better since quite a few teams spent their money this year.

This year sucked because
1. Every team in far better position than us had cap
2. The FA class was poor

Marks did a fine job with what he was dealt. He made very good attempts at some young building blocks and just missed out. I would have liked to land one of TJ, Crabbe or Bazemore but there's no need to cry over a few fringe starters. Levert has just as much upside as either one of them so lets get him back up to speed and play him at the SG spot.

This team isn't going to be very good even with one of those guys we missed out on. None of them were making us a playoff contender so who cares if we win 20 games or 30 games. The goal is to develop CMC, RHJ, Whitehead and Levert for the future in hopes that 2-3 of them become starting caliber players and maybe even 1 become all star caliber.

Once Levert gets his legs back he's going to shock some people. Time to let go of what we don't have and start hoping what we do turns into NBA players. RHJ looks the part and Levert will too once he's back. Guy was an easy lottery pick if healthy. Knowing the Nets Doc had multiple success stories with this surgery is a great sign. Can't wait for Levert to show his game. It's so well rounded and he'll have the starting SG spot sooner rather than later just watch.

[Rockice_24]

Plan A has been in place for a while now. It's getting all of the ducks in a row to sell the team. That's why the future draft picks didnt matter. It's why the Nets have been cost cutting for a while. Stretching DWill, buying out JJ, hiring the cheapest coach and GM, trading Thad and his 3rd year, trying to get the poison pill contract to manipulate the salary cap so they only have to pay 6 mil to get 12 million on the cap. The Nets were always a necessary evil to get one of the largest real estate projects in the world green lit. Bringing a professional sports team to Brooklyn has always been the grease on the wheels for Prokorov's true ambition. He doesnt mind sinking big money into a training facility because it's a hard asset and likely to turn a profit. Prokorov realizes that he doesnt even have to spend a lot on the players payroll anymore either. Even though we are likely to be a worst team than last season, I bet you we sell more season tickets now because we got Jeremy Lin. There has been a number of reports about him gauging offers in a possible sale of the team and of his assets being frozen in Russia ever since the government raided his companies.

That's actually the total opposite of true. Draft picks mean everything when selling a team. You either want a star to sell which we don't have or clear cap and youth with potential to land the star in the draft. Who the hell wants a team like the Nets right now with nothing to look forward too. Hey I got an idea to make money lets completely dismantle the Nets future and then try and sell the team. Bet we can convince someone to buy this team with such a bleak future.

I guess that's why we tried to overspend on guys like Crabbe was to attract a buyer, lol. Come buy the Nets we have Allen Crabbe at almost 20M a season who is a star.

They cut costs because D-WIll wasn't worth his contract not because they want to sell. JJ was expiring buying him out was the nice thing to do since we weren't going anywhere and wanted to get young guys playing time. Prok might want to sell but nothing they've blatantly done was clearly because they are selling. From a BB standpoint I would have done the exact same things. The training facility was coming because they needed one in Brooklyn.

I think you're losing it, you might need to step away for a few days and clear your head.

[MrDollarBills]

Where did I compare or insinuate that Thad is an all-star level PF???
Which PF that Marks brought in stretches the floor???

Thad is a lot better then Booker. Not a little; a lot.

Our #20 pick was a mid second rounder and our second round pick is protected.

How many wins are the Nets going to have from Marks trying to get Crabbe and TJ. Almost doesnt count in the NBA last time I checked.

But keep strawmaning away with your little Griffin and Millsap comment. Marks's two big developmental acquisitions is a guy coming off 3 foot injuries and the biggest bust to be taken #1 ever.

I said some Nets fans, not you

Last year Young play with us, and how many wins? 21. Young don't change anything for us. And Thad is a lot better than Booker for us is your opinion, not a fact.

Why keep Brook if you use that logic? He has been the common thread between a 12, 24, 21.

Since Thad was the one holding this team back, Im sure Booker will make us playoff worthy.

I don't know if LeVert was the plan A or not, but in this situation, a young player with talent to develop, is better than a Young or something. You must to rebuild and there's no picks for tank (with Young, in that case). You choose a coach who is good to develop players.

Mock draft are ****, they don't say anything.

On Bennett, we'll see.

Plan A has been in place for a while now. It's getting all of the ducks in a row to sell the team. That's why the future draft picks didnt matter. It's why the Nets have been cost cutting for a while. Stretching DWill, buying out JJ, hiring the cheapest coach and GM, trading Thad and his 3rd year, trying to get the poison pill contract to manipulate the salary cap so they only have to pay 6 mil to get 12 million on the cap. The Nets were always a necessary evil to get one of the largest real estate projects in the world green lit. Bringing a professional sports team to Brooklyn has always been the grease on the wheels for Prokorov's true ambition. He doesnt mind sinking big money into a training facility because it's a hard asset and likely to turn a profit. Prokorov realizes that he doesnt even have to spend a lot on the players payroll anymore either. Even though we are likely to be a worst team than last season, I bet you we sell more season tickets now because we got Jeremy Lin. There has been a number of reports about him gauging offers in a possible sale of the team and of his assets being frozen in Russia ever since the government raided his companies.

the common link between 12, 24, and 21 isn't Brook its the fact that the Nets have consistent had this guy playing with garbage ass players and that includes D-Will's bitch ass

i hope he woke up this morning with an upset stomach

[MrDollarBills]

Plan A has been in place for a while now. It's getting all of the ducks in a row to sell the team. That's why the future draft picks didnt matter. It's why the Nets have been cost cutting for a while. Stretching DWill, buying out JJ, hiring the cheapest coach and GM, trading Thad and his 3rd year, trying to get the poison pill contract to manipulate the salary cap so they only have to pay 6 mil to get 12 million on the cap. The Nets were always a necessary evil to get one of the largest real estate projects in the world green lit. Bringing a professional sports team to Brooklyn has always been the grease on the wheels for Prokorov's true ambition. He doesnt mind sinking big money into a training facility because it's a hard asset and likely to turn a profit. Prokorov realizes that he doesnt even have to spend a lot on the players payroll anymore either. Even though we are likely to be a worst team than last season, I bet you we sell more season tickets now because we got Jeremy Lin. There has been a number of reports about him gauging offers in a possible sale of the team and of his assets being frozen in Russia ever since the government raided his companies.

That's actually the total opposite of true. Draft picks mean everything when selling a team. You either want a star to sell which we don't have or clear cap and youth with potential to land the star in the draft. Who the hell wants a team like the Nets right now with nothing to look forward too. Hey I got an idea to make money lets completely dismantle the Nets future and then try and sell the team. Bet we can convince someone to buy this team with such a bleak future.

I guess that's why we tried to overspend on guys like Crabbe was to attract a buyer, lol. Come buy the Nets we have Allen Crabbe at almost 20M a season who is a star.

They cut costs because D-WIll wasn't worth his contract not because they want to sell. JJ was expiring buying him out was the nice thing to do since we weren't going anywhere and wanted to get young guys playing time. Prok might want to sell but nothing they've blatantly done was clearly because they are selling. From a BB standpoint I would have done the exact same things. The training facility was coming because they needed one in Brooklyn.

I think you're losing it, you might need to step away for a few days and clear your head.

Yeah I was worried that the team was in some kind of trouble until I saw what they were trying to do with Bazemore/Williams and the RFAs. I don't think money is the issue.

[brook]

I said some Nets fans, not you

Last year Young play with us, and how many wins? 21. Young don't change anything for us. And Thad is a lot better than Booker for us is your opinion, not a fact.

Why keep Brook if you use that logic? He has been the common thread between a 12, 24, 21.

Since Thad was the one holding this team back, Im sure Booker will make us playoff worthy.

I don't know if LeVert was the plan A or not, but in this situation, a young player with talent to develop, is better than a Young or something. You must to rebuild and there's no picks for tank (with Young, in that case). You choose a coach who is good to develop players.

Mock draft are ****, they don't say anything.

On Bennett, we'll see.

Plan A has been in place for a while now. It's getting all of the ducks in a row to sell the team. That's why the future draft picks didnt matter. It's why the Nets have been cost cutting for a while. Stretching DWill, buying out JJ, hiring the cheapest coach and GM, trading Thad and his 3rd year, trying to get the poison pill contract to manipulate the salary cap so they only have to pay 6 mil to get 12 million on the cap. The Nets were always a necessary evil to get one of the largest real estate projects in the world green lit. Bringing a professional sports team to Brooklyn has always been the grease on the wheels for Prokorov's true ambition. He doesnt mind sinking big money into a training facility because it's a hard asset and likely to turn a profit. Prokorov realizes that he doesnt even have to spend a lot on the players payroll anymore either. Even though we are likely to be a worst team than last season, I bet you we sell more season tickets now because we got Jeremy Lin. There has been a number of reports about him gauging offers in a possible sale of the team and of his assets being frozen in Russia ever since the government raided his companies.

the common link between 12, 24, and 21 isn't Brook its the fact that the Nets have consistent had this guy playing with garbage ass players and that includes D-Will's bitch ass

i hope he woke up this morning with an upset stomach

Especially Deron!

[Paradise]

Wow. I can't believe this is still a thing.

Whitehead, LeVert, McCullough, RHJ, Kilpatrick, Johnson, Crabbe would've been our current nucleus with another late 1st rounder and mid-second rounder (via BOS) in a much stronger draft class and that does NOT include the assets and picks we could get for Brook Lopez. Sean Marks could've put all of that together in the span of TWO YEARS.

You think Billy King could've done that? I don't.

This is the same man that said he would've taken Tyler Zeller at 6th in the 2012 Draft. He also marveled over Thomas Robinson. He didn't get it done in Philadelphia and he couldn't get it done with more assets than Danny Ainge has today.

We don't even own any second rounders until 2020. The picks we acquired from the Jason Kidd/Bucks deal was dealt faster than you can say uncle. His last trade was for Juan Pablo Vaulet and he overpaid for the rights to a late second rounder that is a bench warmer for his national team.

If there is a Billy King fan club that exists (seems like it) then someone could make a appreciation thread for him since he apparently wasn't given a fair chance to ruin this franchise some more. Can we keep this topic about the kid and not about any agendas towards the man drafting him? That would be nice.

[Ror1997]

If anybody here still doesnt realize that Marks isn't trying to put the best possible team on the court next year, AND can't understand why he's building the roster this way, then seriously just stop posting about it. These arguments are utterly useless, and they just continue to escalate feeling towards Marks whether they be positive or negative, when he's not actually doing anything to warrant these reactions.

For example: Rondo. Half this board was convinced we would be signing rondo, because we were arguing with each other for 20 something pages. The more we argued about rondo, the stronger we felt and the more some people were convinced Rondo would be a net. In reality, all that came of it was a scheduled meeting that never took place.

Stop making things drag out because you dont want to listen to people telling you the ugly truth.

[jbeachboy]

only good thing about king left over is trading for rondae. we probably would of signed rondo if we didnt get lin.

[brook]

We don't even own any second rounders until 2020. The picks we acquired from the Jason Kidd/Bucks deal was dealt faster than you can say uncle. His last trade was for Juan Pablo Vaulet and he overpaid for the rights to a late second rounder that is a bench warmer for his national team.

Two second round picks for stash Vaulet. One pick later, Riley select Josh Richardson

[Net Sentence]

If anybody here still doesnt realize that Marks isn't trying to put the best possible team on the court next year, AND can't understand why he's building the roster this way, then seriously just stop posting about it. These arguments are utterly useless, and they just continue to escalate feeling towards Marks whether they be positive or negative, when he's not actually doing anything to warrant these reactions.

For example: Rondo. Half this board was convinced we would be signing rondo, because we were arguing with each other for 20 something pages. The more we argued about rondo, the stronger we felt and the more some people were convinced Rondo would be a net. In reality, all that came of it was a scheduled meeting that never took place.

Stop making things drag out because you dont want to listen to people telling you the ugly truth.

I agree with the underlined sector.

[Paradise]

We don't even own any second rounders until 2020. The picks we acquired from the Jason Kidd/Bucks deal was dealt faster than you can say uncle. His last trade was for Juan Pablo Vaulet and he overpaid for the rights to a late second rounder that is a bench warmer for his national team.

Two second round picks for stash Vaulet. One pick later, Riley select Josh Richardson

Oh and It doesn't stop there.

King passed on Darrun Hillard, Joseph Young, Richaun Holmes and Norman Powell. All have shown a lot more growth, health and potential than Vaulet.

Even the smallest moves were terrible ones.

[hood30]

If anybody here still doesnt realize that Marks isn't trying to put the best possible team on the court next year, AND can't understand why he's building the roster this way, then seriously just stop posting about it. These arguments are utterly useless, and they just continue to escalate feeling towards Marks whether they be positive or negative, when he's not actually doing anything to warrant these reactions.

For example: Rondo. Half this board was convinced we would be signing rondo, because we were arguing with each other for 20 something pages. The more we argued about rondo, the stronger we felt and the more some people were convinced Rondo would be a net. In reality, all that came of it was a scheduled meeting that never took place.

Stop making things drag out because you dont want to listen to people telling you the ugly truth.

I agree with the underlined sector.

I've slowly come under the same conclusion...Marks is not really trying to win. This year is more to set up the team for the future.
This is why he probably not that bothered by the terrifying-bad projected starting 5 of Lin/Bogs/RHJ/Booker/Lopez.

The Nets projected starting 5 has got to be the worst looking starting 5 in the league...No shooters...no one that can create his own shot beside Lin, who is not great at it.


As a Lin fan, that has to be a bit worrisome because Lin is in his prime and even if he puts up decent stats like 16/6, he will still be regarded as a back-up because he's not good enough to improve a team..

Problem is, this Nets team is not clearly better..While Lin is an upgrade on Jack...Booker is a down-grade to Thad Young..So it's arguable that they didn't get better..They got better at one position but got worse in another position.

Marks was better off keeping Thad.

[Ror1997]

You're 100% right. Marks doesn't care about the teams short term success. He cares about the long term success.

[Net Sentence]

If anybody here still doesnt realize that Marks isn't trying to put the best possible team on the court next year, AND can't understand why he's building the roster this way, then seriously just stop posting about it. These arguments are utterly useless, and they just continue to escalate feeling towards Marks whether they be positive or negative, when he's not actually doing anything to warrant these reactions.

For example: Rondo. Half this board was convinced we would be signing rondo, because we were arguing with each other for 20 something pages. The more we argued about rondo, the stronger we felt and the more some people were convinced Rondo would be a net. In reality, all that came of it was a scheduled meeting that never took place.

Stop making things drag out because you dont want to listen to people telling you the ugly truth.

I agree with the underlined sector.

I've slowly come under the same conclusion...Marks is not really trying to win. This year is more to set up the team for the future.
This is why he probably not that bothered by the terrifying-bad projected starting 5 of Lin/Bogs/RHJ/Booker/Lopez.

The Nets projected starting 5 has got to be the worst looking starting 5 in the league...No shooters...no one that can create his own shot beside Lin, who is not great at it.


As a Lin fan, that has to be a bit worrisome because Lin is in his prime and even if he puts up decent stats like 16/6, he will still be regarded as a back-up because he's not good enough to improve a team..

Problem is, this Nets team is not clearly better..While Lin is an upgrade on Jack...Booker is a down-grade to Thad Young..So it's arguable that they didn't get better..They got better at one position but got worse in another position.

Marks was better off keeping Thad.

People are in denial about how bad we are going to be and how poorly Marks built the roster. Lin was a good get, I'll give Marks that but Lin is here because of Atkinson and not Marks.

Marks didnt get rid of Thad for a younger player or a better shooter. Booker is both older and a worse shooter than Thad. He is also undersized just like Thad. Booker is only here because he played with Marks in Washington.

I see the blog trying to sell us that the "culture" has changed but that is laughable. How are we building a "culture" if no one has more then a 2 year commitment? SMH Im tired of all of the hyperbole being thrown around about "culture" and "vision" and "not the same old Nets" at the same time they plan to throw out a subpar product out on the floor. Shooting is still a huge issue as well as defense. It's going to be hard to win when both the offense and defense sucks.

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You're 100% right. Marks doesn't care about the teams short term success. He cares about the long term success.

Does he? Did anyone he signed get a 3rd year? SMH He did nothing to make us better long term or short term. But hey, he tried.

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You're 100% right. Marks doesn't care about the teams short term success. He cares about the long term success.

Does he? Did anyone he signed get a 3rd year? SMH He did nothing to make us better long term or short term. But hey, he tried.

So, drafting LeVert and Whitehead does not improve our chances long term? Lol. Feel free to be stubborn and irrational but facts are facts. We traded for a long term SG prospect and we drafted a combo guard.

We SHOULD've ended up with Crabbe and Johnson as our long term pieces but that did not happen. However, we still came away with more talent than we had in April. Marks entered the draft with the 55th pick. I can't fathom how he did not help our future.

I also keep seeing this logic that Lin signed because of Atkinson. Yet, Atkinson signed here because of Marks and his vision. There is no Lin without the vision and long term plan of Marks. This argument is so elementary and childish at this point.