Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Illuminaire]

Oubre: Not much, until he turns some of his potential into actual production.

Porter: Currently Porter is the only guy on the roster who is (1) good right now, (2) on a cheap contract, and (3) likely to keep improving into something awesome. It's hard to get equivalent value back for a player like that.

I don't find it reassuring that the FO might have Gortat off the table. I find it to be a distressing reminder of their lack of vision and ability to manage assets.

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Its good to get some reassurance, if you want to call it that, that Gortat will not get traded. I spent some time thinking about how we could use his contract as a means to improve. Listening to our favorite beat writer who said that the Wizards were active in the trade market, I was trying to think of who we could trade. Correct me, if I am wrong, but we cant trade away players that we've just signed. If so, then that just leaves a handfull of players, Wall, Gortat, Oubre, Porter, who have value and can get us something back in return. Given the recent "big man" signings, it stood to reason that the C position was where we could make changes. So, if we cant trade a player that just signed, and Gortat is off the table, then that leaves Oubre and Porter as trade bait, because I dont think we are trading Wall. So, what can Oubre and/or Porter get us in return?

It would be nuts to trade Gortat after we just signed a guy who isn't as good as Gortat for more money. Why?

Ernie won't trade Oubre, because that would make him look bad -- like he'd made a mistake in drafting the kid. Ernie never does anything that can be viewed as admitting an error.

Trading Porter would be foolish in the extreme. That means it just might be right up Ernie's alley. Still, I doubt it would happen. I also don't think we could begin to get equivalent value in such a trade -- or, rather, that Ernie would be able to get equivalent value. Certainly I can't see a possible trade of Porter that would improve us. If I did see one, I'd be for it of course.

[dangermouse]

I feel like the "we aren't interested in moving Gortat" is a pitiful attempt at a smokescreen.

We can't be active on the trade market a week ago, and not looking at trading Gortat this week. It makes no sense. I think he is, unofficially, on the table for the right deal. Perhaps, this news has dropped because a deal fell through?

As Illuminaire and WallToWall pointed out, the only other likely candidate for trade would be Porter. Which would be BAD, unless it is for a young big man talent (which would still be bad, because we'd be left with Oubre, who is not ready, starting at SF and a logjam in the middle if we are getting back someone like Nerlens).

[gambitx777]

I hope we do not trade gortat, I think as long as we are winning games the Ian goratat rotation could work because it makes sense, you have a starting level center on the floor at all times.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I hope we do not trade gortat, I think as long as we are winning games the Ian goratat rotation could work because it makes sense, you have a starting level center on the floor at all times.

It's like when we had Haywood and Etan!

[montestewart]

I hope we do not trade gortat, I think as long as we are winning games the Ian goratat rotation could work because it makes sense, you have a starting level center on the floor at all times.

It's like when we had Haywood and Etan!

Or when Dallas had Haywood and Chandler. I smell championship!

[Dark Faze]

I don't see a scenario where we keep Otto long term to be honest. The cap situation isn't looking good with the overpays Ernie threw out there. I'm predicting Otto is on the market by the deadline, maybe packaged with Gortat for Cousins. I just don't see how we can afford to pay Otto 15+ million a year as is.

[FAH1223]

I don't see a scenario where we keep Otto long term to be honest. The cap situation isn't looking good with the overpays Ernie threw out there. I'm predicting Otto is on the market by the deadline, maybe packaged with Gortat for Cousins. I just don't see how we can afford to pay Otto 15+ million a year as is.

$15M a year for Otto is great value.

He's better than Beal

[Dark Faze]

wonder how valuable he'll seem if we can't get an 8 seed and have to go over the cap to keep him

[Dat2U]

wonder how valuable he'll seem if we can't get an 8 seed and have to go over the cap to keep him

What does that have to do with Otto's performance? No one is expecting Otto to lead this team into the playoffs. That's on Wall & Beal to do the heavy lifting. Otto could have a great year and we still come up short. The big question IMO is whether Beal is ready to do that heavy lifting. His previous regular season performances indicate he won't be ready but were paying him like he's the fu*king man. So it's time for him to man up, stay healthy and ball out.

I would happily offer Otto $15 mil extension before the regular season and see if he bites. Based on the 2nd half of last season he's worth that and maybe more. He has no reason to take it but if he does we'd be locking him in at a very good wage considering he's already a solid NBA starter.

[pcbothwel]

wonder how valuable he'll seem if we can't get an 8 seed and have to go over the cap to keep him

He's easily worth 16M per year. Unless he falls completely apart (Gets pushed around on D and 3 ball doesnt fall), then his floor is Evan Turners contract.

As far as an 8th seed finish, it really depends on the "Why?". Our PG and wing depth are questionable, while our big rotation look great. If Gortat misses 30 games, we wont derail. But if Wall misses 30 games or Otto misses substantial time then we're in trouble.

[gambitx777]

In an inflated market you can not afford to not resign players you drafted that can actually play. If harrison banres got the money he got someone will toss it to otto. the smart thing to do would be to extend him at a small over pay and no risk someone like dallas tossing a max his way. They cap won't go up forever so that will help matters of people tossing money at other teams restricted players.

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The issue with extending Otto really highlights the Beal over-pay. Otto is better now, has improved continually, and is a low risk investment in our future. If signing Beal as we did gets in the way of retaining Otto, we have really shot ourselves in the foot.

[pcbothwel]

We dont need cap space next year. I'd offer him 4/60M right now and pray he takes it

[Ruzious]

We dont need cap space next year. I'd offer him 4/60M right now and pray he takes it

Yeah, if Harry Barnes got 4/94 , then 4/60 sounds fine to me for Otto.

[pcbothwel]

I figure a down year puts him in the Courtney Lee/Tyler Johnson range of 4/50M. A year similar to last year puts him in the Evan Turner/Bazemore/Deng range of 4/70M. And a breakout year puts him in the Parsons/Barnes range of 4/90M.

I think 4/60M is fair considering his recurring hip injury over the last two years and his lack of dominance on either side of the ball (Not short changing him, but usually this type of player is underpaid). I would be willing to go up to 4/70M this year, but no higher as the amount of talent in the FA class next year combined with a cap increase of only 8.5% (originally thought to be 17-18%) could lead to very little interest in him as a premium FA.

I know it seems anecdotal, but Beal and Barnes have this perception that there is more room for them to grow into an AS. I could see a lot of teams loving Otto, but having no illusion of him being a top 2 player on a playoff team and therefore unwilling to go 20M+ range.

[gambitx777]

I figure a down year puts him in the Courtney Lee/Tyler Johnson range of 4/50M. A year similar to last year puts him in the Evan Turner/Bazemore/Deng range of 4/70M. And a breakout year puts him in the Parsons/Barnes range of 4/90M.

I think 4/60M is fair considering his recurring hip injury over the last two years and his lack of dominance on either side of the ball (Not short changing him, but usually this type of player is underpaid). I would be willing to go up to 4/70M this year, but no higher as the amount of talent in the FA class next year combined with a cap increase of only 8.5% (originally thought to be 17-18%) could lead to very little interest in him as a premium FA.

I know it seems anecdotal, but Beal and Barnes have this perception that there is more room for them to grow into an AS. I could see a lot of teams loving Otto, but having no illusion of him being a top 2 player on a playoff team and therefore unwilling to go 20M+ range.

I can't see where anyone thinks that Barnes can be over all better than Porter

[pcbothwel]

I figure a down year puts him in the Courtney Lee/Tyler Johnson range of 4/50M. A year similar to last year puts him in the Evan Turner/Bazemore/Deng range of 4/70M. And a breakout year puts him in the Parsons/Barnes range of 4/90M.

I think 4/60M is fair considering his recurring hip injury over the last two years and his lack of dominance on either side of the ball (Not short changing him, but usually this type of player is underpaid). I would be willing to go up to 4/70M this year, but no higher as the amount of talent in the FA class next year combined with a cap increase of only 8.5% (originally thought to be 17-18%) could lead to very little interest in him as a premium FA.

I know it seems anecdotal, but Beal and Barnes have this perception that there is more room for them to grow into an AS. I could see a lot of teams loving Otto, but having no illusion of him being a top 2 player on a playoff team and therefore unwilling to go 20M+ range.

I can't see where anyone COMPETENT thinks that Barnes can be over all better than Porter

FTFY...
And I agree, but I'll play devils advocate. Barnes has proven to be a better 3Pt shooter, a better player/defender at the stretch 4, and has a winning pedigree.

[gambitx777]

I figure a down year puts him in the Courtney Lee/Tyler Johnson range of 4/50M. A year similar to last year puts him in the Evan Turner/Bazemore/Deng range of 4/70M. And a breakout year puts him in the Parsons/Barnes range of 4/90M.

I think 4/60M is fair considering his recurring hip injury over the last two years and his lack of dominance on either side of the ball (Not short changing him, but usually this type of player is underpaid). I would be willing to go up to 4/70M this year, but no higher as the amount of talent in the FA class next year combined with a cap increase of only 8.5% (originally thought to be 17-18%) could lead to very little interest in him as a premium FA.

I know it seems anecdotal, but Beal and Barnes have this perception that there is more room for them to grow into an AS. I could see a lot of teams loving Otto, but having no illusion of him being a top 2 player on a playoff team and therefore unwilling to go 20M+ range.

I can't see where anyone COMPETENT thinks that Barnes can be over all better than Porter

FTFY...
And I agree, but I'll play devils advocate. Barnes has proven to be a better 3Pt shooter, a better player/defender at the stretch 4, and has a winning pedigree.

Barnes and Porter are actually really close when it comes to shooting. and porter is better as a defender and his number on D are better. Barnes does not have a winning pedigree, Curry and steve K do . Bans was there for the ride. Not say it does not matter but they would have won with or with out him more often than not.

[pcbothwel]

I agree that Porter is the better wing defender, but Barnes has proven to be better at the stretch 4. But again...devils advocate