The Official Lin Net Thread

[TinmanZBoy]

...while of course this ain’t an exact science proving that “no-names play like a team with Lin”, but here’s an incomplete “so-called List” players who either had their best eFG% in at least a 4 yr window or of their entire careers when playing with Lin:

Steve Novak
Tyson Chandler
Jared Jeffries
Terrence Jones
Omer Asik
Marcus Morris
Patrick Patterson
Carlos Delfino
Omri Casspi
Ed Davis
Chandler Parsons
Tarik Black
Marvin Williams
Jeremy Lamb
Cody Zeller

I’m certain the “so-called Lin non-fans” can come up with some esoteric stat for each and every person disproving that they played their best ball with Lin or that it’s all by sheer coincidence explainable in other ways, a statistical artifact of chance etc… .

do you know Tyson Chandler just won a championship with Mavs before joining the Knicks and the Linsanity run? and He was the defensive player of the year for that season Landry Field was one of the "rookie first team" the season before, has been starter for the Knicks for a while before the Linsanity run..
Do you know Steve Novak was known as a knock-down shooter, Do you know JVG said Steve Novak was the best three shooter he has seen?
Do you know Jared Jeffries was a respected Vet around the league? Was one of the starters of Wizards when the Wizards was pretty damn good> and on on on....

those are not nobodies..... the fact is you knew NOBODY ...
if you want to understand why Lin got a lot of unwarranted hate from team fans, just look no further than yourself

Guess what?
Lichtenstein: Lin Promises Nets Competency, Not Lin-sanity Part II, just called all your boys NOBODIES
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/07/21/brooklyn-nets-jeremy-lin-kenny-atkinson-sean-marks/
"With Amar’e Stoudemire ineffective and Carmelo Anthony not even in uniform, the Knicks’ best five that night was a lineup of Lin, Tyson Chandler, J.R. Smith, Steve Novak and Jared Jeffries.

Lin not only was dominant, but he coaxed maximum performances from some very flawed players.

When I regained focus Wednesday I looked up at Lin, who was surrounded by a similar cast of characters that, as one writer put it, is less of an NBA “Who’s Who” than “Who? Who?”

not need to take things literally... flawed players don't mean they are nobodies...Lin himself is a very flawed player too to certain degree...

[TinmanZBoy]

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23744/brooklyn-nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-once-wondered-about-pg-jeremy-lin-is-this-kid-any-good

Not sure if this was already posted but here's Atkinson talking about Lin's role in offense.

“Mike D’s offense is more point-guard-centric,” Atkinson said. “It’s the Steve Nash model. But this will be a little bit more Atlanta-San Antonio style, a little bit more touches from other guys.”

This seems to suggest Lin could put up numbers more like Isaiah Thomas (i.e., 20 and 6), rather than a 18 and 8.

i think it is the opposite... in a D'antoni's system, the PG is the "man", the PG dominates the ball, it maximizes the PG's ability... that's why you saw guys like Lin, Felton, Duhon, Steve Blake, Kendall Marshalls all had career stats under D'anotoni, guards like to play for D'Antoni because they will be featured heavily in the offense... I remember Baron Davis went to NYK mainly because of D'antoni, unfortunately he was injured, otherwise we probably would have never seen linsanity...
In a spurs-atlanta system, the PG would not dominate the ball as much, there are a lot more ball movement side to side... there are more equal opportunities for everybody to score, you'd expect the stats would be evened out...
Isaiah Thomas is the offense of Celtics, the celtics heavily depended on his scoring and playmaking, I would say their offense is more close to D'antoni's than motion offense of atlanta-spurs...

[improvisor]

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23744/brooklyn-nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-once-wondered-about-pg-jeremy-lin-is-this-kid-any-good

Not sure if this was already posted but here's Atkinson talking about Lin's role in offense.

“Mike D’s offense is more point-guard-centric,” Atkinson said. “It’s the Steve Nash model. But this will be a little bit more Atlanta-San Antonio style, a little bit more touches from other guys.”

This seems to suggest Lin could put up numbers more like Isaiah Thomas (i.e., 20 and 6), rather than a 18 and 8.

i think it is the opposite... in a D'antoni's system, the PG is the "man", the PG dominates the ball, it maximizes the PG's ability... that's why you saw guys like Lin, Felton, Duhon, Steve Blake, Kendall Marshalls all had career stats under D'anotoni, guards like to play for D'Antoni because they will be featured heavily in the offense... I remember Baron Davis went to NYK mainly because of D'antoni, unfortunately he was injured, otherwise we probably would have never seen linsanity...
In a spurs-atlanta system, the PG would not dominate the ball as much, there are a lot more ball movement side to side... there are more equal opportunities for everybody to score, you'd expect the stats would be evened out...
Isaiah Thomas is the offense of Celtics, the celtics heavily depended on his scoring and playmaking, I would say their offense is more close to D'antoni's than motion offense of atlanta-spurs...

You hit it right on the head! This won't be the system that fits Lin perfectly so seeing 20-6 might be a stretch. 14-16 and 5-7 seems more realistic, but he can prove me wrong.

[cw3k]

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23744/brooklyn-nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-once-wondered-about-pg-jeremy-lin-is-this-kid-any-good

Not sure if this was already posted but here's Atkinson talking about Lin's role in offense.

“Mike D’s offense is more point-guard-centric,” Atkinson said. “It’s the Steve Nash model. But this will be a little bit more Atlanta-San Antonio style, a little bit more touches from other guys.”

This seems to suggest Lin could put up numbers more like Isaiah Thomas (i.e., 20 and 6), rather than a 18 and 8.

i think it is the opposite... in a D'antoni's system, the PG is the "man", the PG dominates the ball, it maximizes the PG's ability... that's why you saw guys like Lin, Felton, Duhon, Steve Blake, Kendall Marshalls all had career stats under D'anotoni, guards like to play for D'Antoni because they will be featured heavily in the offense... I remember Baron Davis went to NYK mainly because of D'antoni, unfortunately he was injured, otherwise we probably would have never seen linsanity...
In a spurs-atlanta system, the PG would not dominate the ball as much, there are a lot more ball movement side to side... there are more equal opportunities for everybody to score, you'd expect the stats would be evened out...
Isaiah Thomas is the offense of Celtics, the celtics heavily depended on his scoring and playmaking, I would say their offense is more close to D'antoni's than motion offense of atlanta-spurs...

That's not true. Few years ago, Parker was dominated the ball, he was unstoppable. He was the best player in the team. Now the responsibility fall to Leonard and that's why you don't see a ball dominated PG in the Spurs

[TinmanZBoy]

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23744/brooklyn-nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-once-wondered-about-pg-jeremy-lin-is-this-kid-any-good

Not sure if this was already posted but here's Atkinson talking about Lin's role in offense.

“Mike D’s offense is more point-guard-centric,” Atkinson said. “It’s the Steve Nash model. But this will be a little bit more Atlanta-San Antonio style, a little bit more touches from other guys.”

This seems to suggest Lin could put up numbers more like Isaiah Thomas (i.e., 20 and 6), rather than a 18 and 8.

i think it is the opposite... in a D'antoni's system, the PG is the "man", the PG dominates the ball, it maximizes the PG's ability... that's why you saw guys like Lin, Felton, Duhon, Steve Blake, Kendall Marshalls all had career stats under D'anotoni, guards like to play for D'Antoni because they will be featured heavily in the offense... I remember Baron Davis went to NYK mainly because of D'antoni, unfortunately he was injured, otherwise we probably would have never seen linsanity...
In a spurs-atlanta system, the PG would not dominate the ball as much, there are a lot more ball movement side to side... there are more equal opportunities for everybody to score, you'd expect the stats would be evened out...
Isaiah Thomas is the offense of Celtics, the celtics heavily depended on his scoring and playmaking, I would say their offense is more close to D'antoni's than motion offense of atlanta-spurs...

You hit it right on the head! This won't be the system that fits Lin perfectly so seeing 20-6 might be a stretch. 14-16 and 5-7 seems more realistic, but he can prove me wrong.

i'd be more impressed if Lin can run the team well to get Nets more wins than glorious individual stats with miserable team record...

[TinmanZBoy]

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23744/brooklyn-nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-once-wondered-about-pg-jeremy-lin-is-this-kid-any-good

Not sure if this was already posted but here's Atkinson talking about Lin's role in offense.

“Mike D’s offense is more point-guard-centric,” Atkinson said. “It’s the Steve Nash model. But this will be a little bit more Atlanta-San Antonio style, a little bit more touches from other guys.”

This seems to suggest Lin could put up numbers more like Isaiah Thomas (i.e., 20 and 6), rather than a 18 and 8.

i think it is the opposite... in a D'antoni's system, the PG is the "man", the PG dominates the ball, it maximizes the PG's ability... that's why you saw guys like Lin, Felton, Duhon, Steve Blake, Kendall Marshalls all had career stats under D'anotoni, guards like to play for D'Antoni because they will be featured heavily in the offense... I remember Baron Davis went to NYK mainly because of D'antoni, unfortunately he was injured, otherwise we probably would have never seen linsanity...
In a spurs-atlanta system, the PG would not dominate the ball as much, there are a lot more ball movement side to side... there are more equal opportunities for everybody to score, you'd expect the stats would be evened out...
Isaiah Thomas is the offense of Celtics, the celtics heavily depended on his scoring and playmaking, I would say their offense is more close to D'antoni's than motion offense of atlanta-spurs...

That's not true. Few years ago, Parker was dominated the ball, he was unstoppable. He was the best player in the team. Now the responsibility fall to Leonard and that's why you don't see a ball dominated PG in the Spurs

are you saying Lin is as good a scorer as Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard? I don't think Pop would agree with you... put Lin in a spurs' system, I don't think he would score as much as them.... instead, if you put Lin in a D'Antoni's system, which features PG and gives PG a lot freedom to score and playmaking, Lin could put up similar stats, however it does not mean Lin is equal to Tony Parker and Kawhi...
Check Felton's stats under D'antoni, he put stats like an all-star... then check his stats after that....

[tonman]

i think it is the opposite... in a D'antoni's system, the PG is the "man", the PG dominates the ball, it maximizes the PG's ability... that's why you saw guys like Lin, Felton, Duhon, Steve Blake, Kendall Marshalls all had career stats under D'anotoni, guards like to play for D'Antoni because they will be featured heavily in the offense... I remember Baron Davis went to NYK mainly because of D'antoni, unfortunately he was injured, otherwise we probably would have never seen linsanity...
In a spurs-atlanta system, the PG would not dominate the ball as much, there are a lot more ball movement side to side... there are more equal opportunities for everybody to score, you'd expect the stats would be evened out...
Isaiah Thomas is the offense of Celtics, the celtics heavily depended on his scoring and playmaking, I would say their offense is more close to D'antoni's than motion offense of atlanta-spurs...

That's not true. Few years ago, Parker was dominated the ball, he was unstoppable. He was the best player in the team. Now the responsibility fall to Leonard and that's why you don't see a ball dominated PG in the Spurs

are you saying Lin is as good a scorer as Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard? I don't think Pop would agree with you... put Lin in a spurs' system, I don't think he would score as much as them.... instead, if you put Lin in a D'Antoni's system, which features PG and gives PG a lot freedom to score and playmaking, Lin could put up similar stats, however it does not mean Lin is equal to Tony Parker and Kawhi...
Check Felton's stats under D'antoni, he put stats like an all-star... then check his stats after that....

lin can score. the question is whether he can do that consistently. Pop had a front row seat when he dropped 38 points on the Spurs. then last season he was there when Lin dropped 29 pts in a come from behind win with Charlotte.

[TinmanZBoy]

That's not true. Few years ago, Parker was dominated the ball, he was unstoppable. He was the best player in the team. Now the responsibility fall to Leonard and that's why you don't see a ball dominated PG in the Spurs

are you saying Lin is as good a scorer as Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard? I don't think Pop would agree with you... put Lin in a spurs' system, I don't think he would score as much as them.... instead, if you put Lin in a D'Antoni's system, which features PG and gives PG a lot freedom to score and playmaking, Lin could put up similar stats, however it does not mean Lin is equal to Tony Parker and Kawhi...
Check Felton's stats under D'antoni, he put stats like an all-star... then check his stats after that....

lin can score. the question is whether he can do that consistently. Pop had a front row seat when he dropped 38 points on the Spurs. then last season he was there when Lin dropped 29 pts in a come from behind win with Charlotte.

exactly, Lin can score... and I bet he could do it consistently under Mike D'Antoni, who would design multiple screens to free him to make plays... however, I don't see Pop would cater to Lin on offense that much if Lin played for him...
Jason Kidd has ever said coach D'Antoni's system is a heaven for a PG...

[hood30]

i think it is the opposite... in a D'antoni's system, the PG is the "man", the PG dominates the ball, it maximizes the PG's ability... that's why you saw guys like Lin, Felton, Duhon, Steve Blake, Kendall Marshalls all had career stats under D'anotoni, guards like to play for D'Antoni because they will be featured heavily in the offense... I remember Baron Davis went to NYK mainly because of D'antoni, unfortunately he was injured, otherwise we probably would have never seen linsanity...
In a spurs-atlanta system, the PG would not dominate the ball as much, there are a lot more ball movement side to side... there are more equal opportunities for everybody to score, you'd expect the stats would be evened out...
Isaiah Thomas is the offense of Celtics, the celtics heavily depended on his scoring and playmaking, I would say their offense is more close to D'antoni's than motion offense of atlanta-spurs...

That's not true. Few years ago, Parker was dominated the ball, he was unstoppable. He was the best player in the team. Now the responsibility fall to Leonard and that's why you don't see a ball dominated PG in the Spurs

are you saying Lin is as good a scorer as Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard? I don't think Pop would agree with you... put Lin in a spurs' system, I don't think he would score as much as them.... instead, if you put Lin in a D'Antoni's system, which features PG and gives PG a lot freedom to score and playmaking, Lin could put up similar stats, however it does not mean Lin is equal to Tony Parker and Kawhi...
Check Felton's stats under D'antoni, he put stats like an all-star... then check his stats after that....

I sadly agre with you on this one...The D'Antoni system is nothing close to the Spurs/Atlanta system.

Most PG usually does very well under the D'Antoni system simply because he lets them run the show.

D'Antoni system allows the PG to dominate the ball and run things..Basically, Lin had free will to run as many PnR as his heart desire.

Under the Spurs/Atlanta system, Lin will not have the same freedom...This is a more "team-oriented" system who values moving the ball side to side and making sure as many players touches the ball.

D'Antoni system is basically about the PG and the center or whoever is setting the pick to roll to the basket..If that doesn't work, than the ball is swung around and you can start running a set offense from that point on.

But I agree that Lin is best when he dominates the ball and the Spurs/Atlanta offense will most likely diminish Lin effectiveness.

As course, Lin will have to pick his spot and decide when to go for it..but if Atkinsons insist on him to set up the motion offense instead of letting Lin free-lance, I could now see Lin put up Jarrett Jack stats of 13/6..instead of the 18-20ppg range that he could put up under a D'Antoni system.

Lin usage needs to be around 30..and I'm not sure he will get that kind of usage under a forceful Spurs/Atlanta motion system.

[Travers]

are you saying Lin is as good a scorer as Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard? I don't think Pop would agree with you... put Lin in a spurs' system, I don't think he would score as much as them.... instead, if you put Lin in a D'Antoni's system, which features PG and gives PG a lot freedom to score and playmaking, Lin could put up similar stats, however it does not mean Lin is equal to Tony Parker and Kawhi...
Check Felton's stats under D'antoni, he put stats like an all-star... then check his stats after that....

lin can score. the question is whether he can do that consistently. Pop had a front row seat when he dropped 38 points on the Spurs. then last season he was there when Lin dropped 29 pts in a come from behind win with Charlotte.

exactly, Lin can score... and I bet he could do it consistently under Mike D'Antoni, who would design multiple screens to free him to make plays... however, I don't see Pop would cater to Lin on offense that much if Lin played for him...
Jason Kidd has ever said coach D'Antoni's system is a heaven for a PG...

Was't Lin doing very well last season even played out of position as a SG?

[Travers]

That's not true. Few years ago, Parker was dominated the ball, he was unstoppable. He was the best player in the team. Now the responsibility fall to Leonard and that's why you don't see a ball dominated PG in the Spurs

are you saying Lin is as good a scorer as Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard? I don't think Pop would agree with you... put Lin in a spurs' system, I don't think he would score as much as them.... instead, if you put Lin in a D'Antoni's system, which features PG and gives PG a lot freedom to score and playmaking, Lin could put up similar stats, however it does not mean Lin is equal to Tony Parker and Kawhi...
Check Felton's stats under D'antoni, he put stats like an all-star... then check his stats after that....

I sadly agre with you on this one...The D'Antoni system is nothing close to the Spurs/Atlanta system.

Most PG usually does very well under the D'Antoni system simply because he lets them run the show.

D'Antoni system allows the PG to dominate the ball and run things..Basically, Lin had free will to run as many PnR as his heart desire.

Under the Spurs/Atlanta system, Lin will not have the same freedom...This is a more "team-oriented" system who values moving the ball side to side and making sure as many players touches the ball.

D'Antoni system is basically about the PG and the center or whoever is setting the pick to roll to the basket..If that doesn't work, than the ball is swung around and you can start running a set offense from that point on.

But I agree that Lin is best when he dominates the ball and the Spurs/Atlanta offense will most likely diminish Lin effectiveness.

As course, Lin will have to pick his spot and decide when to go for it..but if Atkinsons insist on him to set up the motion offense instead of letting Lin free-lance, I could now see Lin put up Jarrett Jack stats of 13/6..instead of the 18-20ppg range that he could put up under a D'Antoni system.

Lin usage needs to be around 30..and I'm not sure he will get that kind of usage under a forceful Spurs/Atlanta motion system.

Many PG in that system looks doing well on their stats, but not many transfer that into Wins and making their teammates better, Lin is one of the few doing both.

[DartboardT]

Lin was alright, good overall. HOWEVER, he was much more effective on offense playing PG/lead guard-type duties. It was clear.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/dartboard_trade/status/719777769031204864[/tweet]

[TinmanZBoy]

^that's what Lin is appealing to me or should be appealing to teams, when he played well, he did it in a team concept and lead team to wins... that's the beauty of Linsanity....

[ChokeFasncists]

you have to play out to see...
Lin has not established any level above a health Jarrett Jack in his career... it is honeymoon period right now, just like any season lin jumped to a new team....
just be sure not to blame coaches, teammates and FOs when things get ugly

Well, I'm not talking about my own opinion or anything like that.

Just reflecting on what the market and GMs around the league think about the Nets PGs last year.

Vasquez (5mil) and Whitehead is already an upgrade. (I understand that Lin is particularly controversial)

What i meant was if you look at the careers of both Lin and Jack, both of them are fringe starters and top 3rd guards in the league, Lin has not established a level more than that... of course Lin is an upgrade over an injured Jack, however, it does not say much...you just have to wait and see if Lin can get to another level in the new season...

I understand what you meant, it's just that it doesn't have much to do with my post.

It is what it is, GMs and the market has spoken. Vasquez and JJ were both out for season but Vasquez got 5 mil whereas JJ vet min. Injury is part of the game.

BTW, JJ might have established a certain level with his career, but he's never been a good facilitating PG and most likely won't ever be. His D isn't particularly good either.

Larkin and Sloan weren't very good. If no team signs Larkin it would be a horrible mistake on his part. (and his agent)

[ChokeFasncists]

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23744/brooklyn-nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-once-wondered-about-pg-jeremy-lin-is-this-kid-any-good

Not sure if this was already posted but here's Atkinson talking about Lin's role in offense.

“Mike D’s offense is more point-guard-centric,” Atkinson said. “It’s the Steve Nash model. But this will be a little bit more Atlanta-San Antonio style, a little bit more touches from other guys.”

This seems to suggest Lin could put up numbers more like Isaiah Thomas (i.e., 20 and 6), rather than a 18 and 8.

Hey, he said a little bit..... just a little bit more on the other side.
(IMO it would be a grave mistake on Atkinson's part not to use "a little bit" of MDA's offense)

Nash was averaging 11 to 12 assists. 8 is still manageable. A shoot first guy like Parker averaged almost 8.

OTOH, I really hope Atkinson would incorporate some Jerry Sloan offense from Vaughn. I think it fits this roster quite well.

[Net Sentence]

We already have the Brooklyn Brigade but we should get a fan group at the game and call them the LINsane Clown Posse. Put them right behind the vistors bench. It would be the Brooklyn equivalent of the Raiders Black Hole.

[Paradise]

The Lin fanbase will be hated come February lol

[KM6]

The Lin fanbase will be hated come February lol

Haters will hate. Nothing new.

[bws94]

Whatever with these polls. Popularity and vote who you like isn't even worth discussion IMO.

[ChokeFasncists]

Hey, maybe the voters are on to something!