16-17 Trade Discussion Thread *Read mod note on pg. 35*

[nayyyyyyyyo09]

asking for Jokic and Murray AND picks is asking us to deplete our resources for someone who won't make this a championship team.

The kings don't care if it depletes the nuggets resources. The kings aren't going to be nice and accept a lower value because the nuggets are lacking more good assets. If you want to acquire the best center in the league, you have to give up your best resources to do it.

The nuggets can make a trade package worthy of Cousins you just have to understand its total value in all our pieces that you're getting because like you said, we don't have that one player you guys want that we'd be willing to give up. But 3 or four of these would be at the absolute worst a decent start to a trade package...

This just isn't true. A bunch of average players does not equal one great player. Not only would it make our team significantly worse, it wouldn't help us long term either. Why would we want to turn one great player into 5 guys who are average and don't have even all-star potential? Having a team with 20 role players would not help us in any way.

1) I'm not saying the Kings should care about that, the Kings can try all they want to get one of those three players but what I'm saying is the Nuggets just won't give that up
2) he's a great center but not the best
3) these are better than just average players, and the nuggets are one of the youngest teams in the league so most of them are prospects and they're only average at this point in their career BEFORE they reach their primes
4) don't give me the "it makes our team significantly worse" bull because it's called rebuilding... Somethings guys have been doing wrong since the early 2000's
5) maybe consider the fact that the three guys you did want are prospects too and aren't even close to the best players on this team so don't say you'd take Murray and Mudiay and not Nurkic and Gallo who are both still very young and have proven more in the NBA than a point guard whose played one season and a shooting guard who has yet to play his first nba game
6) I apologize for being rude because it's super hypocritical of me but when someone disrespects me it just doesn't make sense for me to roll over and accept it.

I apologize again and obviously it was a bad idea to talk to you guys because most people can't even name our starting shooting guard without looking it up but I expected you guys to be a bit smarter before you bashed the ideas.


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[Sheva7]

2) he's a great center but not the best

Name anyone who is even close.

4) don't give me the "it makes our team significantly worse" bull because it's called rebuilding... Somethings guys have been doing wrong since the early 2000's

None of the players you offered would be considered valuable prospects in a full rebuild.

6) I apologize for being rude because it's super hypocritical of me but when someone disrespects me it just doesn't make sense for me to roll over and accept it.

I apologize again and obviously it was a bad idea to talk to you guys because most people can't even name our starting shooting guard without looking it up but I expected you guys to be a bit smarter before you bashed the ideas.

No one is disrespecting you, we are simply stating that the kings aren't going to trade Cousins if the Nuggets aren't offering any of their top assets. If anything the offers would be insulting to the kings if the nuggets actually offered them.

Saying "I apologize" and then proceeding to insult all of us in the same sentence is a great way to go about things. I can name pretty much your entire team and im sure most of the kings fans on this forum can do the same. But i guess us wanting to get at least anything of value back for Cousins just means we are dumb and lack basic NBA knowledge.

[City of Trees]

5) maybe consider the fact that the three guys you did want are prospects too and aren't even close to the best players on this team so don't say you'd take Murray and Mudiay and not Nurkic and Gallo who are both still very young and have proven more in the NBA than a point guard whose played one season and a shooting guard who has yet to play his first nba game

The fact those three players are prospects is the reason SAC would want them!


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[c3j3h]

1) I'm not saying the Kings should care about that, the Kings can try all they want to get one of those three players but what I'm saying is the Nuggets just won't give that up

So why would we trade with you then? Again, the Nuggets aren't the only team interested in Cousins. This isn't a "take it or leave it" situation coming from Denver. The Kings hold all the cards right now. If you don't want to pay the price, then what are we talking for?

3) these are better than just average players, and the nuggets are one of the youngest teams in the league so most of them are prospects and they're only average at this point in their career BEFORE they reach their primes

But you're not offering us the best of your prospects, you're offering the prospects that you don't want. See the difference?

5) maybe consider the fact that the three guys you did want are prospects too and aren't even close to the best players on this team so don't say you'd take Murray and Mudiay and not Nurkic and Gallo who are both still very young and have proven more in the NBA than a point guard whose played one season and a shooting guard who has yet to play his first nba game

You're contradicting yourself here. They aren't even close to your best players, but you can't trade them?

Also, Gallo is not a young player anymore. He's about to turn 28, and he has only cracked the 70 games played mark ONE time in the last 6 seasons, including missing an entire season due to injury 3 years ago and missing 29 games last year. He is eternally injured. Very talented, sure, but one of the most injury-prone players in the NBA. He also is essentially an expiring contract, as he has 1 guaranteed year plus a player option for the following year, which he will almost certainly opt out of as long as he is healthy. That's not a valuable piece to the Kings.

Jokic is still a prospect, technically, but he has already proven himself to be a very valuable NBA player. He performed wonderfully last year, and is exactly the kind of player the Kings would need in return for Boogie. We don't need unproven prospects, and we don't need guys like Gary Harris that project to be role players at best. We need some guys that have star potential if we aren't trading for a huge pick package.

Nurkic is a nice prospect also, but he's obviously not nearly as valuable as Jokic. Again, we're not going to take your less-desirable players and give you a Top 10-15 player in return. Sorry.

I apologize again and obviously it was a bad idea to talk to you guys because most people can't even name our starting shooting guard without looking it up but I expected you guys to be a bit smarter before you bashed the ideas.

Emmanuel Mudiay/Gary Harris/Danilo Gallinari/Kenneth Faried or Darrell Arthur/Nikola Jokic. Didn't even have to cheat!

[Jody Smokz]

How can you honestly approach a conversation about trading for arguably a top 10 player in the NBA and feel like you shouldnt even offer Jokic or Mudiay in the deal. Makes 0 sense at all. Jokic is nice but if you're getting Boogie you HAVE to give him up period or you are looking for that Bill Cosby deal.

[blind prophet]

Every day, the fleece for Cousins trade scenarios.

[Jkam31]

Man what's up with Gay at this point u wouldn't be mad keeping him.


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[skywalker33]

Every day, the fleece for Cousins trade scenarios.

Well, your FO is doing NOTHING to entice him to stay, he's openly questioning all their moves in public. Gay is seeking a trade because he's tired of losing too, Skal looks like a a good pick but will he come along soon enough to matter ?

[Kings2013]

Every day, the fleece for Cousins trade scenarios.

Well, your FO is doing NOTHING to entice him to stay, he's openly questioning all their moves in public. Gay is seeking a trade because he's tired of losing too, Skal looks like a a good pick but will he come along soon enough to matter ?

The Cousins/Gay parts of that are unsubstantiated. Cousins questioned the picking of a center on draft night probably out of personal slight, the recent stuff is nonsense IMO. Gay has never publicly demanded a trade (regardless of the media stuff)

[enderwilson]

Every day, the fleece for Cousins trade scenarios.

Well, your FO is doing NOTHING to entice him to stay, he's openly questioning all their moves in public. Gay is seeking a trade because he's tired of losing too, Skal looks like a a good pick but will he come along soon enough to matter ?

Example please.

[enderwilson]

Every day, the fleece for Cousins trade scenarios.

Well, your FO is doing NOTHING to entice him to stay, he's openly questioning all their moves in public. Gay is seeking a trade because he's tired of losing too, Skal looks like a a good pick but will he come along soon enough to matter ?

The Cousins/Gay parts of that are unsubstantiated. Cousins questioned the picking of a center on draft night probably out of personal slight, the recent stuff is nonsense IMO. Gay has never publicly demanded a trade (regardless of the media stuff)

To be fair, it wasn't Cousin's question, it was the reporters. Not understanding the FO reasoning is not the same thing as being openly defiant or questioning the FO moves.

[skywalker33]

Every day, the fleece for Cousins trade scenarios.

Well, your FO is doing NOTHING to entice him to stay, he's openly questioning all their moves in public. Gay is seeking a trade because he's tired of losing too, Skal looks like a a good pick but will he come along soon enough to matter ?

Example please.

How about this one

http://nesn.com/2016/06/demarcus-cousins-probably-hates-kings-nba-draft-judging-by-this-tweet/

or this

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/07/08/report-kings-rudy-gay-requests-trade/

or perhaps

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-gay-reportedly-requested-trade-233743726.html

Now can Vlade pull it back around ??? Who knows, but drafting, at best, DMC's backup...not the best first impression for your star center.

[Kings2013]

Well, your FO is doing NOTHING to entice him to stay, he's openly questioning all their moves in public. Gay is seeking a trade because he's tired of losing too, Skal looks like a a good pick but will he come along soon enough to matter ?

Example please.

How about this one

http://nesn.com/2016/06/demarcus-cousins-probably-hates-kings-nba-draft-judging-by-this-tweet/

or this

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/07/08/report-kings-rudy-gay-requests-trade/

or perhaps

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-gay-reportedly-requested-trade-233743726.html

Voison (known as "Poison" by many Kings fans) tweet was refuted and she later amended it herself saying Rudy would be open to being traded but actually hasn't come out and demanded it

IMO Cousins did not like the pick, but again not because of who was drafted, but because it was a player who played the same position as him. Does Cousins study the draft you think? If he was complaining about it being a center, as I personally presume, it would actually show he wants to be here, as he would t want the organization to not believe in him. But maybe I'm misconstruing

[SacKingZZZ]

Openly questioned a draft choice, and then praised the FA moves they made, so....

[blind prophet]

Been quiet on the trade front for a bit now.

[Jkam31]

Been quiet on the trade front for a bit now.

Word we arnt even getting rumors...
But I'm already expecting the DMC nonsense to start again



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[enderwilson]

Well, your FO is doing NOTHING to entice him to stay, he's openly questioning all their moves in public. Gay is seeking a trade because he's tired of losing too, Skal looks like a a good pick but will he come along soon enough to matter ?

Example please.

How about this one

http://nesn.com/2016/06/demarcus-cousins-probably-hates-kings-nba-draft-judging-by-this-tweet/

or this

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/07/08/report-kings-rudy-gay-requests-trade/

or perhaps

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-gay-reportedly-requested-trade-233743726.html

Now can Vlade pull it back around ??? Who knows, but drafting, at best, DMC's backup...not the best first impression for your star center.

I assumed you were talking about DMC in your quote that I put in bold above. Mostly because you were responding to a quote referencing Cousins. Were you strictly referring to Gay? There's been no "openly questioning" King's moves by Cuz (or by Gay for that matter). Some people may infer that he's questioning, but this contradicts the argument that it's being done out in the open.

[dozencousins]

Their are a ton of people from just about every board from every team were some people with hate Cousins for whatever reason .
Their are others as well whom will claim Cousins says this or that and maybe he does say what they say he said .
Either way it is really no matter to what his value is or what we could , should or would get for him if he was traded .
If we traded him we would get a boat load of great assets & or players of whom we would value .

Anyone whom claims his value is lower because he is unhappy or whatever is blind . History shows that elite players unhappy or not will fetch a KINGS ransom for that player . All people do is say this or that to devalue a players worth and yes that makes sense to say that and try that in attempt to hope the other side are suckers and will do the horrible deal . That said that hardly ever happens and would not happen in the case of the KINGS .

Amazingly most all people whom come on this board or any other whom claim oh the value of Cousins or Gay is lower because they are unhappy doesn't know much in terms of what we really could get for a particular player .
Teams do deals based on what direction they want to go as a franchise . Do they want the immediate help ? Do they want young talents & or picks for the future ? Do they want expirings to save $$$$$ this year and for free agency the next ?

Amazingly these same people would love a Cousins on their team and wouldn't trade him for less than that same boat load of great stuff !

I encourage everyone on this board not to allow anyone on this board or any other to ever listen or accept the b.s. that comes from anyone that will ever claim the value of anyone great player or any really good player is grossly devalued or worthless .

For a player to be greatly devalued they would have be be a drug attic or sells drugs , a pimp , kill animals or murder , be involved in a cartel or gang , maybe be an outright racist , be suspended for hitting a fan etc. Something that has a massive harmful reflection on the NBA , or Himself .

Cousins and Gay have great value around the NBA .
The hold up with Gay right now is that part of it is a waiting game for what other teams will still do for their teams signings and waiting to see a teams needs there after , Part of it is a waiting game to see if the Celtics and Clippers hash out a deal still and another part are teams simply trying to posture for the best deal . I expect soon after the Olympics a lot of our question as well as the Celtics , Clippers , Bulls , Thunder & other teams questions will play out soon enough .

[Jkam31]

Guy on celtics board who they say is an insider had done kings stuff:

• We are fielding calls for Gay not actively shopping him

• We currently arnt in the clips/boston deal but if we do get back in we apparently want Terry Roizer. Says we love him.


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[benchmobbin02]

So many people on different boards and forums thinking they know value of players and or what teams are thinking. I think it's all guessing.

I'm just happy the FO has taken their time and obviously hasn't taken any lackluster deals to set us back and hope none come about in the future. We can all say it will happen at this time or that time but NO ONE on the internet knows or they wouldn't be saying it on the internet. We all have to just wait and see. Vlade and co will make the right deal God willing and we really start meaningful discussion about the direction the team is headed and what we think are chances are in the West. Until then...we have...USA B-ball? yawn...