Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

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It's interesting how close Barnes' and Porter's numbers are in a bunch of areas. They score the same, they take about the same number of shots, about the same in assists, about the same in possession stats overall (rebounding, TOs, steals).

But, Otto is a little bit better in almost all these numbers (tho not all of them), with the result that, overall, he's actually a much more productive player. He's also 1 year younger than Barnes, has played about 40% of Barnes' minutes, and has a more noticeable upward path in his 2d and 3d years. Looks like there's much more development left for Otto than for Barnes.

[jivelikenice]

I don't see the rush to sign Otto now. He's an RFA at season's end so if they don't want to lose him they won't. Let it play out and see if he continues to improve in areas including:
1. Shooting - Trended in the right direction as the season went on; 42% from 3 over his last 39
2. Defense - Wasn't bad defensively at all and seemed to get his bearings as the season went on but needs to add strength
3. Aggressiveness - This is his weakness. He shot 42% from 3 over the last 39 games but his fga went down. He has to become more aggressive to be worth a significant investment based off of how the team is currently constructed. Based on how the backcourt has evolved to date (or hasn't), they now need more scoring from the SF position. They can't afford having to beg their starting SF to shoot when open.

I like Otto and think he's a solid player who's growing. That doesn't mean I'm racing myself to sign him either considering he's an RFA. We've already somewhat boxed ourselves in with the Beal deal; I'd like to see a full season under Brooks before committing another 15-18MM per. If a larger trade is ever made its likely one of the SFs would have to be included as well.

Separate cap questions....Can you sign Otto to an extension & trade him mid-season before his new deal kicks in?

[deneem4]

Gotta for Monroe and sweetener should be happening asap

Milwaukee especially kid need a big like gortat

Since we have mahinmi he can become out starting 5 while Monroe plays the 30mpg enes Kanter role...

He can feast on 2nd string bigs and be available for when we play the nun small ball teams...

We need his 20ppg more than we need gortat right now with mahinmi on board

[pcbothwel]

Gotta for Monroe and sweetener should be happening asap

Milwaukee especially kid need a big like gortat

Since we have mahinmi he can become out starting 5 while Monroe plays the 30mpg enes Kanter role...

He can feast on 2nd string bigs and be available for when we play the nun small ball teams...

We need his 20ppg more than we need gortat right now with mahinmi on board

No. That is a terrible trade. Any trade that has us taking an expiring is already a negative as they can walk next year and we wont even get cap space (Monroe, Gay, etc.)

So we get a poor fit for one year? No thanks.
Gortat and Mahinmi will rotate perfectly fine for this year. Gortat will be (should be) part of a bigger package to get another piece next year such as Favors.

[montestewart]

Gotta for Monroe and sweetener should be happening asap

Milwaukee especially kid need a big like gortat

Since we have mahinmi he can become out starting 5 while Monroe plays the 30mpg enes Kanter role...

He can feast on 2nd string bigs and be available for when we play the nun small ball teams...

We need his 20ppg more than we need gortat right now with mahinmi on board

Monroe has never scored more than 16 ppg in his career, but you predict he will score 20 ppg as a 30 mpg backup because he will be feasting on 2nd string bigs? With Burke as his primary PG? That's pretty optimistic, especially since he has shown poorer scoring volume and efficiency as a reserve in the past.

[dangermouse]

I'm happy to trade Gortat, for the right deal, and that isnt it. If Monroe could play PF it would be a different story. There is no point trading for a worse fit that unbalances the team any further.

I am also happy to run Gortat with Ian backing up, and waiting until the right deal comes along. Particularly if Ian shows us that his defense is too elite to be a backup.

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Monroe is a good player. He's not as productive as Gortat, but he's still very good. He rebounds a little less and scores a little more -- but his TS% is lower than Marcin's, so the few extra points come at the cost of more possessions than you'd like, which is what makes him that little bit less productive.

If I were thinking about trading Gortat for Monroe, I'd need to get something more back; I wouldn't do the trade straight up. This would be difficult, because aside from being a little less productive than Gortat, Monroe also makes a lot more $$ than him.

In fact, Gortat is a terrific bargain. It's hard to come up with a starting Center in the league who is both more productive and less expensive.

If it really would be possible to play Gortat and Monroe together effectively, then maybe trading for him might have been a better move than signing Mahinmi. Perhaps, if true, that's mostly because Mahinmi isn't a great fit -- he's a backup making $16m/year. In any case, we had nothing to trade, with only 6 players this off-season.

[gambitx777]

We need to accept the fact that prices went up. Could we have gotten a better deal on Ian if we had waited or held out, maybe but he is a solid addition to the team. and only slightly overpaid. I think the 2 center split minute thing can work.

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We need to accept the fact that prices went up. Could we have gotten a better deal on Ian if we had waited or held out, maybe but he is a solid addition to the team. and only slightly overpaid. I think the 2 center split minute thing can work.

Oh, I agree -- Mahinmi isn't overpaid in the current stratospheric era. And I don't see why he wouldn't play well for us.

If he and Gortat can actually play together, that would make this a much better move.

[gambitx777]

We need to accept the fact that prices went up. Could we have gotten a better deal on Ian if we had waited or held out, maybe but he is a solid addition to the team. and only slightly overpaid. I think the 2 center split minute thing can work.

Oh, I agree -- Mahinmi isn't overpaid in the current stratospheric era. And I don't see why he wouldn't play well for us.

If he and Gortat can actually play together, that would make this a much better move.

I think I just have a different mind set that some people. Like look at some of these teams that are title contenders what do they have. Sure they have more than one star player, but they also have starting caliber players coming off the bench. Like yes we are lacking star power but you can contend and win games if you build the bench. Ian and Thomas are starters, coming off the bench, that's good, all of our starters deserve to be starters, that's good. Andrew, Kelly, they can be solid bench guys if they work out, so can burke maybe. Thornton and Eddie have proven to be solid layers off the bench. We are getting there. It would have helped if we landed another star, but I think we are making the best out of a bad situation.

[dangermouse]

Tomas is starting calibre? Woah there. Lets wait till he suits up before we count our chickens

[montestewart]

Tomas is starting calibre? Woah there. Lets wait till he suits up before we count our chickens

He was clearly referring to another player named "Thomas" and obviously wasn't saying "Tomas Satoransky" was a starting quality player. Totally different spelling. If Whitman hadn't been fired, he would have cleared this whole thing up.

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Tomas is starting calibre? Woah there. Lets wait till he suits up before we count our chickens

He was clearly referring to another player named "Thomas" and obviously wasn't saying "Tomas Satoransky" was a starting quality player. Totally different spelling. If Whitman hadn't been fired, he would have cleared this whole thing up.

LOL!!! It's too early for this sardonic humor my man!!!!! Come on!!!!

[Ruzious]

Tomas is starting calibre? Woah there. Lets wait till he suits up before we count our chickens

He was clearly referring to another player named "Thomas" and obviously wasn't saying "Tomas Satoransky" was a starting quality player. Totally different spelling. If Whitman hadn't been fired, he would have cleared this whole thing up.

But better to be a doting Thomas than a doubting Tomas.

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Hey -- from gambit's mouth to God's ears! It would be great if Tomas played like an NBA starter. Gambit is being very very optimistic, and it's refreshing that someone is!

My favorit over-reach of his is calling Eddie a "proven... solid player off the bench." That one was jaw-dropping!

[Ruzious]

Hey -- from gambit's mouth to God's ears! It would be great if Tomas played like an NBA starter. Gambit is being very very optimistic, and it's refreshing that someone is!

My favorit over-reach of his is calling Eddie a "proven... solid player off the bench." That one was jaw-dropping!

Several people went nuts when Eddie made about 4 3's in one of his first games, and they verbally threw crowbars at me when I doubted him. Sharpened my crowbar ducking skills.

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Hey -- from gambit's mouth to God's ears! It would be great if Tomas played like an NBA starter. Gambit is being very very optimistic, and it's refreshing that someone is!

My favorit over-reach of his is calling Eddie a "proven... solid player off the bench." That one was jaw-dropping!

Several people went nuts when Eddie made about 4 3's in one of his first games, and they verbally threw crowbars at me when I doubted him. Sharpened my crowbar ducking skills.

-- If they throw crowbars with the same skill as they assess NBA players, you don't need to bother ducking!

[SizzlinSimms]

Would never happen:

Wash:
D. Cousins
B. Bass

SAC:
Gortat
O. Porter
Trey Burke

LAC:
J. Eddie.

But it works on ESPN!

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I'm sure there'll be some snits... but I wouldn't trade Gortat and Porter for Cousins and Bass.

Note that we don't have Eddie under contract, which might make it difficult to trade him, no?

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I'm sure there'll be some snits... but I wouldn't trade Gortat and Porter for Cousins and Bass.

Note that we don't have Eddie under contract, which might make it difficult to trade him, no?

Eddie is under contract for this year. Unless I am misreading something.