16-17 Trade Discussion Thread *Read mod note on pg. 35*

[c3j3h]

I just want to jump in here for a quick second. The Kings really like Rozier. They need a PG behind Collison and word is they are getting a little desperate. I've heard they made offers on a bunch of guys and didn't land any of them. They like Temple a lot, but not sure if he's a true PG.

And the Gay situation sounds like it is bad and ready to jump to really bad at any moment. Everyone I have talked to agrees he will not be a King at the beginning of the season.

So, it isn't exactly giving up much to fill a need by moving a guy who doesn't want to be there.

That is the idea at least. FWIW, I don't think any trades are going down anywhere. That is always the far more likely option. Trades are hard to pull off. That said, the Celtics are making moves like something is happening.

I posted in our last trade thread roughly 2 weeks ago or a bit longer than that of our interest in Rozier and talks of a 3 team deal involving
Boston so this is not really news to me . Seems odd to me you post Info along the same lines as me and some are believing you maybe because your a Mod I don't know ? I post the info way before you did and some others don't believe or start drama .

Anyways I believe you because I have inside info with the Kings for the past 3 seasons and though my info is slightly different than yours my info is very simular . So we both having sources might be getting the same general info but one may be getting slightly different info as well .
I am glad that you are confirming what I have been saying for awhile now however both Kings and Celtics are & have been talking with a # of other teams as well . More so Celtics than Kings .

Why is this post necessary? Smitty is a writer who is confirmed to have sources with a few different organizations. Why do you question him when he's going out of his way to make a post informing this board about things he's heard about our particular situation?

You love to toot your own horn about little stuff like this, but you also conveniently ignore the dozens of more absurd "rumors" that you throw out there that never come close to fruition. In the last month you mentioned that the Kings were talking to the Pacers about trading Rudy Gay and a package for Paul George...which is just silly. Then you went with Rudy and Caron Butler (who was cut shortly afterwards) to Minnesota for Rubio and Zach Lavine??? Which is not even silly that's just plain crazy and makes no sense whatsoever for Minnesota.

Look, nobody here cares about you throwing out trade ideas and calling them rumors, but it gets annoying that you have to throw it in people's faces constantly. You claim you're not doing it for attention, yet you pretty clearly care a lot about the attention your posts receive or the flack you get for making them. But there's no need to go after a legitimate source like Smitty just to try to make yourself look a little better. I've been on this forum a short period of time, yet I've already seen you mention dozens of names as guys that we're supposedly targeting in a trade, so let's not act like you're the only guy that of the Kings potentially targeting Rozier as a possibility.

[Jkam31]

I honestly dont see the Kings moving Cousins unless things go super south this year with Joerger (which I dont think they will) or they will wait til the final year of his deal to see if they can convince him to stay long term and if not then move him.

Right now any team trading for Boog is having to give up 2 young good players and a pick or solid vet to get him. Unless you are in position to contend after that trade it may not even be worth it. Which is why a lot of teams haven't made a huge play for him.

I'm on record 42 wins this year and Boogie is a kings lifer.


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Durant just left OKC after being 1 win away from the Finals but Boogie is signing on for life if he gets 1 win above .500 out of 7 years in Sacramento?

You're comparing him to a dude who went to a team that just beat him cause he choked.. Lol


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[City of Trees]

I'm on record 42 wins this year and Boogie is a kings lifer.


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Durant just left OKC after being 1 win away from the Finals but Boogie is signing on for life if he gets 1 win above .500 out of 7 years in Sacramento?

You're comparing him to a dude who went to a team that just beat him cause he choked.. Lol


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Just throwing this out there: Cousins grew up a Lakers fan.... oh could you imagine the hurt if he bolts in Free Agency for LA!

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[c3j3h]

I'm on record 42 wins this year and Boogie is a kings lifer.


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Durant just left OKC after being 1 win away from the Finals but Boogie is signing on for life if he gets 1 win above .500 out of 7 years in Sacramento?

You're comparing him to a dude who went to a team that just beat him cause he choked.. Lol


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They're professional basketball players! People get so caught-up about the little details of that situation. Durant went to the Warriors because it was the best place for him to go, period. 25 years from now, we're not going to be telling our kids or grandkids about how Durant was a little bitch for leaving OKC. We're going to be talking about how many Championships he won with the Warriors.

These guys are human beings. It's easy to think of them as if they're just basketball machines, like life is played in NBA 2k or something, but they're people just like us. They have emotions. They have wants and desires. On top of that, they are competitors. You don't achieve the status that they have achieved in a game like Basketball without being fearsome competitors.

Durant probably felt like he had been so close so many times in OKC and that they weren't getting over the hump. There could also be some tension between him and Westbrook, either about style of play or, perhaps, about Westbrook expressing desire to leave OKC next summer. The truth is NONE OF US know what happens behind the scenes, but you can always rest assured that these guys are going to do whatever it takes to win.

And once again, this is VERY relevant to DeMarcus Cousins. You say it's silly that

You're comparing him to a dude who went to a team that just beat him cause he choked.. Lol

...Well, Boogie hasn't even come CLOSE to even sniffing the playoffs yet in Sacramento, so what does that tell you? It tells me that if a guy like Durant, who played next to a superstar and was a threat to make the Finals EVERY YEAR could pack his **** up and leave town, then a guy like Boogie who has NEVER made the playoffs absolutely can as well!

It's crazy to me that so many of you believe that he wouldn't leave here, like his legacy in Sacramento is more important than his legacy as a person...Like what the hell are you talking about?!? You think athletes care more about what 1 city thinks of them than they do about what ALL fans as a whole think? I can't believe what I'm reading around here. LeBron left his HOME TOWN, on a national TV special, because he wanted to win so bad that he was willing to risk his reputation for the rest of his life to find glory in some rings, wherever they came from. That is the ultimate goal for a competitor is to win a Championship. The Kings are soooo far away from even being an afterthought to COMPETE right now, let alone actually overtake a team like the Warriors to win a ring, that it's completely absurd to think that Boogie would risk never getting there just so he could stay in a city that he isn't even from! Where local sportswriters like Ailene Voisin and Andy Furillo, as well as talking heads like Grant Napear, are nearly constantly trashing on the guy and attacking his character for years.

You would have to be crazy to think that 1 winning season would be enough to convince him to spend the rest of his prime in Sacramento. He's going to be 27 when his current contract expires. His next 4-year contract would put him at 31 when it expires. This next contract is going to be the most important one of his career. He can get pretty much the same money no matter where he goes, with a difference of maybe a handful of million dollars more in Sacramento vs anywhere else over a 4 year period. Do you think he's going to sell out on a legit chance at a ring elsewhere because he's going to get $125 Million in Sacramento vs $120 Million elsewhere? C'mon guys, let's be realistic here.

Sorry for the rant. It just bothers me when I see people being so condescending about things like this that are just so completely illogical. As if you know more about a basketball player that you've never met, to the point that you can speak so confidently about how he should live his life. It's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to trash on Kevin Durant for going to GSW. He's a grown man and he doesn't give a **** about what people like us think about him. He wants to win rings. He wants to be a Champion. If he feels like he can't do that in OKC, for one reason or another, then he has the right to find someplace that can.

[Sheva7]

I'm just saying it's absurd to assume Cousins won't flee for greener pastures when nearly every other big name Free Agent does so, especially when they play for an unsuccessful franchise. What exactly is so different about Cousins? You think Durant didn't say he loved OKC?

It's much more absurd to assume he will leave just because other players have. He has never even hinted at wanting to leave, in fact he has made it very clear that he wants to be here. When the time comes we will see what he decides, but until then you can't say he is for sure gone just because other players made that decision.

[SacKingZZZ]

Rozier has a great deal of potential on both sides of the ball. He didn't get too many opportunities in Boston this year being the 3rd or 4th option at PG, but he looked pretty good in the playoffs.

Meaningless as Summer League may be, he was one of the best overall players this summer, leading all regular contributors in PER at 36.7. The thing I like most ab out Rozier is that he is tenacious defensively. He likes to get right up in his man's face and control their movement. You can tell that he learned a lot by practicing with Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart every day.

I think Rozier could certainly make a good backup PG. He might even make a good starter someday. Even if he doesn't hit starter level full time, he's somebody that can fill in for Collison at the very least. He's only 22, and he still has 3 years left on a really cheap rookie contract. He would be a solid get for the Kings.

I think a deal for like Rozier, Jerebko, and a 2nd round pick or one of Boston's rookies would be a nice haul for Rudy.

I really like Montrez so I've seen a ton of Rozier and he's a solid player, but Gay for him as as the main piece in a trade I doubt seriously is going to go down.

[c3j3h]

I'm just saying it's absurd to assume Cousins won't flee for greener pastures when nearly every other big name Free Agent does so, especially when they play for an unsuccessful franchise. What exactly is so different about Cousins? You think Durant didn't say he loved OKC?

It's much more absurd to assume he will leave just because other players have. He has never even hinted at wanting to leave, in fact he has made it very clear that he wants to be here. When the time comes we will see what he decides, but until then you can't say he is for sure gone just because other players made that decision.

Durant never said he wanted to leave OKC. Wade has always said he wanted to finish his career in Miami...That's a straw-man argument if I've ever seen one. None of those guys come out and say that they want to leave ahead of time, otherwise they would get traded...Durant always takes about how much he loved OKC. He was active in the community there just like Boogie is here. The NBA made a big deal about Durant visiting Tornado survivors in Oklahoma and helping with the relief efforts. He loved it there.


And by the way, Boogie has indeed hinted that he wanted to leave in the past. You guys all forgot that in his rookie season he supposedly demanded a trade because of his constant disagreement with Paul Westphal. They ended up firing Westphal instead. Then this last summer, a lot of those Boogie to the Lakers rumors when supposedly being put out there by Boogie's own agent...

It's pretty logical to say that he could leave because other players of his caliber have left. In fact, it' the most logical argument to make!

Counter point: When is the last time a star of Boogie's caliber stayed in a small market franchise after becoming an Unrestricted Free Agent? Let alone stayed with a small market franchise after missing the playoffs for the first 6+ years of their career? Has that ever happened before?

[Kings2013]

Durant just left OKC after being 1 win away from the Finals but Boogie is signing on for life if he gets 1 win above .500 out of 7 years in Sacramento?

You're comparing him to a dude who went to a team that just beat him cause he choked.. Lol


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Just throwing this out there: Cousins grew up a Lakers fan.... oh could you imagine the hurt if he bolts in Free Agency for LA!

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Cousins bolting in two years may be the biggest issue facing this franchise in the next 10 years

It's why I take the hate Cousins receives in the media and on other sites seriously

IMO he should be made to feel comfortable as the franchises prime asset, and if Vlade feels something makes the team better via trade he will do it.

I'm speaking mainly of media guys like Napear/Voisin, and the haters (I don't know how else to describe them) I often see on STR

[SacKingZZZ]

I honestly dont see the Kings moving Cousins unless things go super south this year with Joerger (which I dont think they will) or they will wait til the final year of his deal to see if they can convince him to stay long term and if not then move him.

Right now any team trading for Boog is having to give up 2 young good players and a pick or solid vet to get him. Unless you are in position to contend after that trade it may not even be worth it. Which is why a lot of teams haven't made a huge play for him.

This will either be a super active deadline for Sacramento, or not. And even if it is active are they buyers, or sellers?

[SacKingZZZ]

The thing about Gay is I think the best move would be to hold on and see if he's needed or not. It's already come out that a trade demand didn't happen so I think the best bet is to hold on and see what happens at the deadline. Maybe a team will be desperate for the talent if Gay isn't a great need filler. It's tough though because if the Kings are winning at that point the less likely they are to move either Gay or Cuz and then the prospects of Gay splitting for nothing come up. I could see Gay moved at the deadline for sure, but I don't think trading him because he's gone at the end of the year anyway is smart because if he helps the teams chances of winning any games early in the year the more likely Cuz stays happy.

[Sheva7]

I'm just saying it's absurd to assume Cousins won't flee for greener pastures when nearly every other big name Free Agent does so, especially when they play for an unsuccessful franchise. What exactly is so different about Cousins? You think Durant didn't say he loved OKC?

It's much more absurd to assume he will leave just because other players have. He has never even hinted at wanting to leave, in fact he has made it very clear that he wants to be here. When the time comes we will see what he decides, but until then you can't say he is for sure gone just because other players made that decision.

Durant never said he wanted to leave OKC. Wade has always said he wanted to finish his career in Miami...That's a straw-man argument if I've ever seen one. None of those guys come out and say that they want to leave ahead of time, otherwise they would get traded...Durant always takes about how much he loved OKC. He was active in the community there just like Boogie is here. The NBA made a big deal about Durant visiting Tornado survivors in Oklahoma and helping with the relief efforts. He loved it there.


And by the way, Boogie has indeed hinted that he wanted to leave in the past. You guys all forgot that in his rookie season he supposedly demanded a trade because of his constant disagreement with Paul Westphal. They ended up firing Westphal instead. Then this last summer, a lot of those Boogie to the Lakers rumors when supposedly being put out there by Boogie's own agent...

It's pretty logical to say that he could leave because other players of his caliber have left. In fact, it' the most logical argument to make!

Counter point: When is the last time a star of Boogie's caliber stayed in a small market franchise after becoming an Unrestricted Free Agent? Let alone stayed with a small market franchise after missing the playoffs for the first 6+ years of their career? Has that ever happened before?

You are missing the whole point. Yes there is a chance he could leave but there is also a chance he can stay. If you are going to make an argument that you think he is going to leave base it off of him, not other players. He is his own person, he will make his own decision. What other players have decided means absolutely nothing. It's crazy that people just assume he is gone because a completely different person in a completely different situation made their own decision.

[c3j3h]

It's much more absurd to assume he will leave just because other players have. He has never even hinted at wanting to leave, in fact he has made it very clear that he wants to be here. When the time comes we will see what he decides, but until then you can't say he is for sure gone just because other players made that decision.

Durant never said he wanted to leave OKC. Wade has always said he wanted to finish his career in Miami...That's a straw-man argument if I've ever seen one. None of those guys come out and say that they want to leave ahead of time, otherwise they would get traded...Durant always takes about how much he loved OKC. He was active in the community there just like Boogie is here. The NBA made a big deal about Durant visiting Tornado survivors in Oklahoma and helping with the relief efforts. He loved it there.


And by the way, Boogie has indeed hinted that he wanted to leave in the past. You guys all forgot that in his rookie season he supposedly demanded a trade because of his constant disagreement with Paul Westphal. They ended up firing Westphal instead. Then this last summer, a lot of those Boogie to the Lakers rumors when supposedly being put out there by Boogie's own agent...

It's pretty logical to say that he could leave because other players of his caliber have left. In fact, it' the most logical argument to make!

Counter point: When is the last time a star of Boogie's caliber stayed in a small market franchise after becoming an Unrestricted Free Agent? Let alone stayed with a small market franchise after missing the playoffs for the first 6+ years of their career? Has that ever happened before?

You are missing the whole point. Yes there is a chance he could leave but there is also a chance he can stay. If you are going to make an argument that you think he is going to leave base it off of him, not other players. He is his own person, he will make his own decision. What other players have decided means absolutely nothing. It's crazy that people just assume he is gone because a completely different person in a completely different situation made their own decision.

Okie dokie

[Kings2013]

Durant never said he wanted to leave OKC. Wade has always said he wanted to finish his career in Miami...That's a straw-man argument if I've ever seen one. None of those guys come out and say that they want to leave ahead of time, otherwise they would get traded...Durant always takes about how much he loved OKC. He was active in the community there just like Boogie is here. The NBA made a big deal about Durant visiting Tornado survivors in Oklahoma and helping with the relief efforts. He loved it there.


And by the way, Boogie has indeed hinted that he wanted to leave in the past. You guys all forgot that in his rookie season he supposedly demanded a trade because of his constant disagreement with Paul Westphal. They ended up firing Westphal instead. Then this last summer, a lot of those Boogie to the Lakers rumors when supposedly being put out there by Boogie's own agent...

It's pretty logical to say that he could leave because other players of his caliber have left. In fact, it' the most logical argument to make!

Counter point: When is the last time a star of Boogie's caliber stayed in a small market franchise after becoming an Unrestricted Free Agent? Let alone stayed with a small market franchise after missing the playoffs for the first 6+ years of their career? Has that ever happened before?

You are missing the whole point. Yes there is a chance he could leave but there is also a chance he can stay. If you are going to make an argument that you think he is going to leave base it off of him, not other players. He is his own person, he will make his own decision. What other players have decided means absolutely nothing. It's crazy that people just assume he is gone because a completely different person in a completely different situation made their own decision.

Okie dokie

It's not only crazy to assume that people aren't individuals, but it's crazy to assume that Vlade already isn't listening to offers and doesn't understand the pulse of the market, as that's the job of a GM anyways.

C3j3h seems to think Vlade's head is in the sand while pie in the sky value deals are flying overhead.

If Im right in thinking that Cousins market value doesn't match his talent due to the notoriety he has received as going through numerous coaches, technicals and losing seasons in Sacramento, it pretty much means that Vlade doesn't have much of a choice this summer in retaining him, even if he didn't believe he could be the foundation of a team (which he clearly does). The value wouldn't render sacrificing the attempt to put something around a could-be top 5 player

[c3j3h]

Occam's Razor

[Kings2013]

Occam's Razor

Something tells me if it wasn't this you'd be complaining about something else (though I could be wrong). Some people just bring that glass half empty energy. nothing wrong with it I guess, just very foreign to a person like me, but people unlike you can teach tolerance.

[benchmobbin02]

I just want to jump in here for a quick second. The Kings really like Rozier. They need a PG behind Collison and word is they are getting a little desperate. I've heard they made offers on a bunch of guys and didn't land any of them. They like Temple a lot, but not sure if he's a true PG.

And the Gay situation sounds like it is bad and ready to jump to really bad at any moment. Everyone I have talked to agrees he will not be a King at the beginning of the season.

So, it isn't exactly giving up much to fill a need by moving a guy who doesn't want to be there.

That is the idea at least. FWIW, I don't think any trades are going down anywhere. That is always the far more likely option. Trades are hard to pull off. That said, the Celtics are making moves like something is happening.

I posted in our last trade thread roughly 2 weeks ago or a bit longer than that of our interest in Rozier and talks of a 3 team deal involving
Boston so this is not really news to me . Seems odd to me you post Info along the same lines as me and some are believing you maybe because your a Mod I don't know ? I post the info way before you did and some others don't believe or start drama .

Anyways I believe you because I have inside info with the Kings for the past 3 seasons and though my info is slightly different than yours my info is very simular . So we both having sources might be getting the same general info but one may be getting slightly different info as well .
I am glad that you are confirming what I have been saying for awhile now however both Kings and Celtics are & have been talking with a # of other teams as well . More so Celtics than Kings .

This is not a post starting drama or talking about your source or hating and neither was the mentions of Smitty's post regarding info on things Boston may have been doing.

Why I and others used his post was to show that just because Zeller and Green were in the news as AGREEING with the Celtics on terms that doesnt stop them from making a deal if they wanted to.

Most don't believe reports just because someone says it. I include myself in that group. It's not a personal attack on you or an attempt to start drama. Just how some people think. It is what it is.

[c3j3h]

Occam's Razor

Something tells me if it wasn't this you'd be complaining about something else (though I could be wrong). Some people just bring that glass half empty energy. nothing wrong with it I guess, just very foreign to a person like me, but people unlike you can teach tolerance.

Sounds like I'm talking about a basketball player and you're talking about me now...And you want to talk about tolerance? It sounds to me like you're intolerant of opinions that you disagree with. So in your mind, there's got to be something wrong with me as a person?

[Kings2013]

Occam's Razor

Something tells me if it wasn't this you'd be complaining about something else (though I could be wrong). Some people just bring that glass half empty energy. nothing wrong with it I guess, just very foreign to a person like me, but people unlike you can teach tolerance.

Sounds like I'm talking about a basketball player and you're talking about me now...And you want to talk about tolerance? It sounds to me like you're intolerant of opinions that you disagree with. So in your mind, there's got to be something wrong with me as a person?

I think your intolerant of others views. The majority of Sacramento Kings RealGM supports Cousins on the team heading forward, and he will be to start the season (93% at least)

You have the minority and antagonistic view, which in itself isn't the problem. The fact that you don't let the rest of the forum voice it's views without constant injertection/rebutting/hijacking gets old quick. Your one voice

[dozencousins]

I just want to jump in here for a quick second. The Kings really like Rozier. They need a PG behind Collison and word is they are getting a little desperate. I've heard they made offers on a bunch of guys and didn't land any of them. They like Temple a lot, but not sure if he's a true PG.

And the Gay situation sounds like it is bad and ready to jump to really bad at any moment. Everyone I have talked to agrees he will not be a King at the beginning of the season.

So, it isn't exactly giving up much to fill a need by moving a guy who doesn't want to be there.

That is the idea at least. FWIW, I don't think any trades are going down anywhere. That is always the far more likely option. Trades are hard to pull off. That said, the Celtics are making moves like something is happening.

I posted in our last trade thread roughly 2 weeks ago or a bit longer than that of our interest in Rozier and talks of a 3 team deal involving
Boston so this is not really news to me . Seems odd to me you post Info along the same lines as me and some are believing you maybe because your a Mod I don't know ? I post the info way before you did and some others don't believe or start drama .

Anyways I believe you because I have inside info with the Kings for the past 3 seasons and though my info is slightly different than yours my info is very simular . So we both having sources might be getting the same general info but one may be getting slightly different info as well .
I am glad that you are confirming what I have been saying for awhile now however both Kings and Celtics are & have been talking with a # of other teams as well . More so Celtics than Kings .

Why is this post necessary? Smitty is a writer who is confirmed to have sources with a few different organizations. Why do you question him when he's going out of his way to make a post informing this board about things he's heard about our particular situation?

You love to toot your own horn about little stuff like this, but you also conveniently ignore the dozens of more absurd "rumors" that you throw out there that never come close to fruition. In the last month you mentioned that the Kings were talking to the Pacers about trading Rudy Gay and a package for Paul George...which is just silly. Then you went with Rudy and Caron Butler (who was cut shortly afterwards) to Minnesota for Rubio and Zach Lavine??? Which is not even silly that's just plain crazy and makes no sense whatsoever for Minnesota.

Look, nobody here cares about you throwing out trade ideas and calling them rumors, but it gets annoying that you have to throw it in people's faces constantly. You claim you're not doing it for attention, yet you pretty clearly care a lot about the attention your posts receive or the flack you get for making them. But there's no need to go after a legitimate source like Smitty just to try to make yourself look a little better. I've been on this forum a short period of time, yet I've already seen you mention dozens of names as guys that we're supposedly targeting in a trade, so let's not act like you're the only guy that of the Kings potentially targeting Rozier as a possibility.

First I will not bash Smitty as I do not know him . You can't claim he has that many sources when you don't know if he does .
If he does great for him .
Toot my horn ? Really . No not doing that just simply saying people like You who are haters seem to only believe everyone else but an actually person who has a source in your own board ? LMAO
Anyways I am sure I know what your doing and you are just another starting drama . Tell your friends not to use you into playing games in your posts .

You don't want to believe me go ahead don't believe me you don't like my posts ignore them .
If you have nothing better to do than to start drama then you do not have a lot going on . If this is the highlight of your day to start issues then that is truly sad .

[City of Trees]

It seems the Koufos trade chatter has calmed. Anyone here think he's not on the roster opening night?

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