The Official Lin Net Thread

[reelsgm]

TinmanZBoy is an excellent poster who, while a huge fan of Lin is also cognizant of basketball and general and makes many cogent comments about the NBA and Lin's team...Constant insults of Lin fan posters who have less-than-wildly-enthusiastic comments about Lin is tiring and adds an unnecessarily hostile tone to discussions.

Hahahaha!

There are many posters who specialize in attacking "so-called fanatical Lin fans" and they do their best to perpetuate a stereotype that those Lin fans know nothing about the game or the NBA, never played, watch only for one player. And they do that to impress and suck-up to the long-time regulars of a team board who usually don't think highly of Lin (at least at first). They validate themselves that way by insulting people and labeling them as Lin only lovers to get good with the in-crowd.

But many of us have played since childhood, watched the NBA for decades, and think Lin is a starting PG who will make any team he leads competitive.

What's funny is, these people who make it their lives to attack true Lin fans, thought Lin would NEVER regain his starting PG job in the NBA ever again. But they were wrong. They were wrong because they don't believe that Lin has what it takes to lead a team as the primary playmaker and made that perfectly clear all last season on the Hornets board. But the "so-called fanatical Lin fans" always knew that Lin was starting caliber talent and that one team would agree. They were right.

On the flip side constant insults of Lin fans as some sort of fanatical no-nothings is tiring and unnecessarily hostile.

[antique0o0]

are you saying Lin is as good a scorer as Tony Parker and Kawhi Leonard? I don't think Pop would agree with you... put Lin in a spurs' system, I don't think he would score as much as them.... instead, if you put Lin in a D'Antoni's system, which features PG and gives PG a lot freedom to score and playmaking, Lin could put up similar stats, however it does not mean Lin is equal to Tony Parker and Kawhi...
Check Felton's stats under D'antoni, he put stats like an all-star... then check his stats after that....

lin can score. the question is whether he can do that consistently. Pop had a front row seat when he dropped 38 points on the Spurs. then last season he was there when Lin dropped 29 pts in a come from behind win with Charlotte.

exactly, Lin can score... and I bet he could do it consistently under Mike D'Antoni, who would design multiple screens to free him to make plays... however, I don't see Pop would cater to Lin on offense that much if Lin played for him...
Jason Kidd has ever said coach D'Antoni's system is a heaven for a PG...

D'Antoni's system isn't heaven for any PG. It's heaven for certain kind of ball handlers who could make the right decision as soon as they touch the ball. Players or point guards who couldn't make quick smart decision suffered...
As of Spurs, Pop always adjusts their plays according to what his players can do, hence the transition from GDP to Aldridge and Leonard. Spurs system has changed.
I don't know how Lin will perform if put into Spurs system. But I do know whenever the lineup changes, their style will definitely change.
If Pop wants a certain player, he will try to involve him into his system. If he doesn't want to "cater" for a certain player, I believe he would not have acquired that player at the first place.

[Vae Victus]

Linsanity Lin would never have fit into the Spurs system. There's not a chance in hell Pop would just give a young player the keys of the entire team unless he was the reincarnation of MJ/Magic/Bird all in one player. Lin obviously had huge holes in his game and only showed he could play one way as his production went off a cliff when Melo came back.

Current Lin otoh could be a very valuable piece for the Spurs. Whether starting or coming off the bench, Lin would play any role asked of him, produce well, follow the sets on both O/D, hustle 100% at all times, and NEVER EVER COMPLAIN. While Lin wont be a superstar he can be an excellent piece of a puzzle for a championship aspiring team.

However Lin is currently in a good place for his career, he's got his chance to lead a team, now its time to see if he can put all the tools he has in his disposal to consistent good use.

[ChokeFasncists]

lin can score. the question is whether he can do that consistently. Pop had a front row seat when he dropped 38 points on the Spurs. then last season he was there when Lin dropped 29 pts in a come from behind win with Charlotte.

exactly, Lin can score... and I bet he could do it consistently under Mike D'Antoni, who would design multiple screens to free him to make plays... however, I don't see Pop would cater to Lin on offense that much if Lin played for him...
Jason Kidd has ever said coach D'Antoni's system is a heaven for a PG...

D'Antoni's system isn't heaven for any PG. It's heaven for certain kind of ball handlers who could make the right decision as soon as they touch the ball. Players or point guards who couldn't make quick smart decision suffered...
As of Spurs, Pop always adjusts their plays according to what his players can do, hence the transition from GDP to Aldridge and Leonard. Spurs system has changed.
I don't know how Lin will perform if put into Spurs system. But I do know whenever the lineup changes, their style will definitely change.
If Pop wants a certain player, he will try to involve him into his system. If he doesn't want to "cater" for a certain player, I believe he would not have acquired that player at the first place.

GDP = big 3?

Wow, first time seeing this!

Anyways, totally agreed, even within the big 3 era, things changed big. It was the Twin Towers, then, it's dump it down to Duncan and defense, then it's stretch five and forget defense, then it's Parker and Ginobili, then it's the motion offense Atkinson was talking about.

Pop is a all time great coach; one big reason is that he models his defensive/offensive philosophy based what he's got on the roster and not the other way around.

[ChokeFasncists]

There's not a chance in hell Pop would just give a young player the keys of the entire team unless he was the reincarnation of MJ/Magic/Bird all in one player.

Didn't he sort of give the keys to Duncan pretty soon? (not immediately yes)

[Manitoba]

[troll bait snipped]

it is honeymoon period right now, just like any season lin jumped to a new team....just be sure not to blame coaches, teammates and FOs when things get ugly

No problem. However, if you want us to be fair, you will have to be fair too. If you want us to acknowledge the losses, you'll have to acknowledge the wins.

My expectation is that you will not be remotely fair, even while demanding fairness from the Lin fans. You will loudly harp on his mistakes and totally disappear when he is brilliant.

i am more fair than you... and I am a Lin fan,

You have already taken several sly digs at Lin. An honest Lin fan who knows history would not do that.

i am pretty sure I know more about Lin's game or basketball in general than you...
you are nothing more than a lin fanatic who likes running a mouth without any extended knowledge and perspectives about NBA basketball

You are projecting your own incompetence onto others. I am a fan of Lin's, for sure. However, I am not a fanatic as I want honesty. If just being honest is too much for you, too bad.

[Manitoba]

i just don't understand what's the big deal of hard fouls... Lin is an ultra aggressive player in the lane, Tyson Chandler hit him too to deter his aggressiveness, and they are good friends...

Since you seem to be from Houston's main board (Clutchfans), I will try to phrase this in your language. Imagine that Harden's fouled so hard that he doesn't get up, and his career ends. Do you understand now?

TinmanZBoy is an excellent poster who, while a huge fan of Lin is also cognizant of basketball and general and makes many cogent comments about the NBA and Lin's team. This was clear on the Hornets RealGM board last year. Constant insults of Lin fan posters who have less-than-wildly-enthusiastic comments about Lin is tiring and adds an unnecessarily hostile tone to discussions. Even on the CF board (where Lin played 3 years ago so it's time to let go) the general fans have become more supportive. Yes Tinman continues his bizzare trollings and rambling about '99ers but overall even CF sees Lin quite fairly and positively.

RealGM is not Portal where all posters who doubt Lin are instantly banned. There are a lot of opinions here on various players and new players will be judged on their results. I expect good results from Lin next season if he remains healthy (knock wood) and a reasonably fun time for the fan base given the rebuilding phase of the team. Clearly there is already a big boost on the PR side as shown in the latest NYPost article. Lin always makes the job of PR folks easier and many local fans are going to be in his corner come the start of the season, looking for any bright spots to rally behind.

Ah, TinmanZBoy once again gets an instant endorsement. Are the two of you the same person?

[Manitoba]

Since you seem to be from Houston's main board (Clutchfans), I will try to phrase this in your language. Imagine that Harden's fouled so hard that he doesn't get up, and his career ends. Do you understand now?

TinmanZBoy is an excellent poster who, while a huge fan of Lin is also cognizant of basketball and general and makes many cogent comments about the NBA and Lin's team. This was clear on the Hornets RealGM board last year. Constant insults of Lin fan posters who have less-than-wildly-enthusiastic comments about Lin is tiring and adds an unnecessarily hostile tone to discussions. Even on the CF board (where Lin played 3 years ago so it's time to let go) the general fans have become more supportive. Yes Tinman continues his bizzare trollings and rambling about '99ers but overall even CF sees Lin quite fairly and positively.

RealGM is not Portal where all posters who doubt Lin are instantly banned. There are a lot of opinions here on various players and new players will be judged on their results. I expect good results from Lin next season if he remains healthy (knock wood) and a reasonably fun time for the fan base given the rebuilding phase of the team. Clearly there is already a big boost on the PR side as shown in the latest NYPost article. Lin always makes the job of PR folks easier and many local fans are going to be in his corner come the start of the season, looking for any bright spots to rally behind.

Thank you. I am not Tinman, I am not Zboy, I am TinmanZboy....

I think you protest too much.

Tinman is infamous on Clutchfans (the main board for the Rockets fanbase) for posting something like 2000 times on a single, anti-Lin thread. Perhaps he sees a chance to pollute another board.

[Roy Tarpley]

Nah, I've seen TinmanZboy on the Charlotte RealGM board, he's fine.

[Manitoba]

Nah, I've seen TinmanZboy on the Charlotte RealGM board, he's fine.

Tinman is there too? He apparently hates Lin enough to follow the PG everywhere: Rockets, Lakers, Hornets, and now Nets. Not to mention posting 2000 times on a single anti-Lin thread. Now that is what I call a massively unhealthy obsession.

[Roy Tarpley]

No, not Tinman, just TinmanZboy. Hopefully, this is the last I'll speak of other forums.

[13th Man]

Nah, I've seen TinmanZboy on the Charlotte RealGM board, he's fine.

Tinman is there too? He apparently hates Lin enough to follow the PG everywhere: Rockets, Lakers, Hornets, and now Nets. Not to mention posting 2000 times on a single anti-Lin thread. Now that is what I call a massively unhealthy obsession.

Who cares about those guys, let them have their fun over there as long as they don't bring it here. I used to be a big Lin homer but years of posting have made me realize to try to respect the team, not just one player.

Lin is in a good position right now for himself and to help build a new culture for this team but I'm not expecting Linsanity 2.0 as Atkinson's system will not be as PG eccentric as D'Antoni's from what it appears. I think some of you guys may be expecting a little bit too much from him and might become disappointed when he doesn't avg. 20/8.

[MrDollarBills]

We don't need Linsanity, we need what I saw from Jeremy in the playoffs: high energy, high effort, and aggressive two way play. That's what will help to lead this team. I was very impressed with how his game has matured.

His evolving hair is also awesome.

[bws94]

We don't need Linsanity, we need what I saw from Jeremy in the playoffs: high energy, high effort, and aggressive two way play. That's what will help to lead this team. I was very impressed with how his game has matured.

His evolving hair is also awesome.

I agree and get tired of the Linsanity talk. That was a long time ago and a unique circumstance. Lin is a big-game player, his stats don't tell the story of how he often, not always but often, comes up big and really strongly impacts big games. He'll need to be more steady throughout the season, which is his weakness, but hopefully he'll play with a high energy and effort on both ends most nights, and step it up notches for big games. I'm thinking playoffs won't happen, but if and when they do while he's here in coming seasons, then he'll step it up even more.

[Manitoba]

Nah, I've seen TinmanZboy on the Charlotte RealGM board, he's fine.

Tinman is there too? He apparently hates Lin enough to follow the PG everywhere: Rockets, Lakers, Hornets, and now Nets. Not to mention posting 2000 times on a single anti-Lin thread. Now that is what I call a massively unhealthy obsession.

Who cares about those guys, let them have their fun over there as long as they don't bring it here.

You should care if the environment matters to you and a notorious polluter starts up in your neighborhood. You aren't going to ignore their history, are you?

Someone named Tinman with 2000 posts in one thread is definitely polluting it. I mention that so we will all know when he starts to foul this thread too.

I used to be a big Lin homer but years of posting have made me realize to try to respect the team, not just one player.

What will you do when some some poster wants the Nets to lose because Lin is playing a major role there?

Lin is in a good position right now for himself and to help build a new culture for this team but I'm not expecting Linsanity 2.0 as Atkinson's system will not be as PG eccentric as D'Antoni's from what it appears. I think some of you guys may be expecting a little bit too much from him and might become disappointed when he doesn't avg. 20/8.

I certainly don't expect Lin to average 20/8. It's possible but not likely. A lot of what Lin will be able to achieve will depend on how his teammates and the NY media react to all the extralegal ways that other teams will use to try to stop him. (Like all the hard fouls he gets without a call. Or like LeBron holding him, without a call.)

[13th Man]

What I meant is that guys from CFs can do whatever they want over there. It's not the same Tinman here, many of us know him from the Charlotte forum last year, he's alright.

I don't see any Nets fans wanting the team to lose due to Lin. Some are stating that the Nets will suck this year, that's not because of Lin. Even if they have a lower opinion of Lin, so what? Just keep in mind of the thread rules that it's ok to attack the points of discussion rather than the poster.

[spaceballer]

Jeremy's interview with JJ Redick on The Vertical.

https://art19.com/shows/vertical-jj-redick/episodes/c9b55afd-af5f-462b-a9b8-bdb68a27e76f

He said if Kenny wasn't here, he wouldn't have even come close to considering Brooklyn.

[spaceballer]

The Lin fansite that submitted an application for a trademark on the Brook-Lin term has transferred ownership of the pending application to Jeremy Lin's lawyers.

He had to wait 4 years to get the trademark for Linsanity because others trademarked it before his lawyers did. Nice to see he's learned from his experience and that he's not making the same mistake this time.

Getting the trademark isn't necessarily to profit from it, but for protection and to prevent abuse and exploitation by others. Last time around, you had medical marijuana dispensaries selling "Linsanity" marijuana.

[DartboardT]

I agree and get tired of the Linsanity talk. That was a long time ago and a unique circumstance. Lin is a big-game player, his stats don't tell the story of how he often, not always but often, comes up big and really strongly impacts big games. He'll need to be more steady throughout the season, which is his weakness, but hopefully he'll play with a high energy and effort on both ends most nights, and step it up notches for big games. I'm thinking playoffs won't happen, but if and when they do while he's here in coming seasons, then he'll step it up even more.

This might make you feel much better about JLin's projected starter prospects and "consistency". No question his scoring was a little off in 2015-16. We all know it. But there's more to it.

Last season, amongst qualified PGs, JLin was 9th in points per shot (out of 30, right behind his sometime-running-mate Kemba). His average was 1.26 PPS, Kemba was 1.27 PPS. Amongst that cohort with <10 FGA per game, Lin was tops.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/position/point-guards

In that sub-cohort of <10 FGA/game: Parker (1.21), Barea (1.14), and Schroder (1.13). Yup, "up and down" JLin led them all.

Wait, how? Well, Hornets watchers know that Lin was actually kind of a red-headed stepchild 6th man. Lin Case of Emergency. When you don't get as many touches, FGA varies. Lin's minor-ish injury (mostly ankle) plus shot form change, no need to go over it again.

And while his confidence was shaken a few times (Clifford "helped" some with that, which is partly why Lin's no longer there), he made up for it on defense and his patented finding his way to the line. If you per-36 it his FTA is pretty high amongst PGs. As it is, he finished 15th among all (30) qualified PGs in FTA with his 26.3 minutes per game. http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/free-throws/sort/avgFreeThrowsAttempted/position/point-guards

The other thing is, his 3-pointer had two truly lousy months. The rest? A much better picture, as I posted earlier this thread. [tweet]https://twitter.com/dartboard_trade/status/754429706242498560[/tweet]

Give Lin a green light, something like 14-15 FGA a game, and...someday?...a decent supporting offense, and I suspect you'll see some nice things.

[TinmanZBoy]

The Lin fansite that submitted an application for a trademark on the Brook-Lin term has transferred ownership of the pending application to Jeremy Lin's lawyers.

He had to wait 4 years to get the trademark for Linsanity because others trademarked it before his lawyers did. Nice to see he's learned from his experience and that he's not making the same mistake this time.

Getting the trademark isn't necessarily to profit from it, but for protection and to prevent abuse and exploitation by others. Last time around, you had medical marijuana dispensaries selling "Linsanity" marijuana.

i wonder how Brook Lopez and his team will think about it?