Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

Burnie Riley · Post #1701 » by **Burnie Riley** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:25 pm

Some of you guya don't see the biggest advantage of Waiters:

Spoiler:

RexBoyWonder · Post #1702 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:45 pm

Burnie Riley wrote:Some of you guya don't see the biggest advantage of Waiters:

Spoiler:
He knows a couple of whales. Pat is going to get the inside scoop.

Pat: Does Whalebrook like chocolates in his gift basket?
Dion: No. He likes sardines with gold flaked on top.
Pat: Does he want me to take him to Parrot Jungle?
Dion: Yes. He would probably like it if he could get some of those bird feathers to make a coat.

The funniest justification for the Waiters deal is "he's giving us a connection to Westbrook".

Righttttttttt. Westbrook loved him so much that OKC let Waiters walk for nothing, replacing him with a 22YO Spanish rook despite being in full win now mode.

It's whatever, If Waiters gets big minutes, people will probably hate on him regardless of what anyone sais. His game will do the talking. If he can muster a strong season, he's gone next season chasing the big$$$.

I swear I'm not sure if we're trying for the playoffs or secretly tanking. Some of our moves can be viewed as pure tank attempts.

I'll root for every player in a Heat jersey including Waiters, but this offseason as been bizarre to say the least.

Bishop45 · Post #1703 » by **Bishop45** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:07 pm

They're playing the trade deadline lotto, everything else conditional. Not particularly mad about that... Yet.

contract · Post #1704 » by **contract** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:45 pm

heat4life wrote:He is a VERY talented player ...

This is where the disagreement stems from.

contract · Post #1705 » by **contract** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:47 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:I wonder if come the deadline with Richardson and Goran might be enough for Westbrook....

Of course not.

It could be. Westbrook will decide where he goes because he's a free agent at the end of the year if he wants to be. If he wants to come to Miami, it could get done today.

smartcane · Post #1706 » by **smartcane** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:53 pm

With STAT retiring it got me looking back at the 2004 -05 Suns and was just amazed how much that team is like next years Heat. If the Heat unleash Goran he can have the same transformation Nash did playing in that attacking system. Whiteside is as effective as STAT was attacking the rim on the pick and role and is a significantly better defender. Josh Richardson can provide the shooting that Joe Johnson did and is already a better defender. Waiters is Quentin Richardson for good and bad ( waiters may be a better shooter but both are streaky). TJ should be able to play the Barbosa role of an attacking scorer. The issue is finding some one to be Marion while Winslow can provide the defense the question is if he can provide the shooting. Of course if Bosh is back then we will be even better at PF but I think a combination of Babbit, Johnson and Williams will be sufficient. So I think Spo should be studying that team and Dragic and Whitehouse should be studying how STAT and Nash played together.

Bishop45 · Post #1707 » by **Bishop45** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:02 pm

Don't think we'd trade for any rentals that don't commit long term, verbally

RexBoyWonder · Post #1708 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:06 pm

^Hassan will never be scorer prime Amare was.

Amare was a offensive beast, unstoppable in that Suns offense. Killer mid range jumper, elite finisher, ran the floor.

Hassan isn't as quick or explosive, but I do think his offensive should grow (at least try to) this year. He's elite around the rim, and can kinda hit that short jumper, but we'll see how reliable it can be.

That is if Waiters allows him to shoot from time to time. 8-)

RexBoyWonder · Post #1709 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:08 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Don't think we'd trade for any rentals that don't commit long term, verbally

I don't even understand all this "big whale trade" talk.

Blake and Westbrook are free agents next year, trading for them now is beyond stupid.

Who exactly are those whales worth trading away TJ/Rich/Justise? :nonono:

Flash4thewin · Post #1710 » by **Flash4thewin** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:20 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Don't think we'd trade for any rentals that don't commit long term, verbally

I don't even understand all this "big whale trade" talk.

Blake and Westbrook are free agents next year, trading for them now is beyond stupid.

Who exactly are those whales worth trading away TJ/Rich/Justise?

Rex Blake and Westbrook will want that 5 year more than anything. There game is based on athletic ability and they both have had injuries in the past. If you dont trade for them there is no way you get them to sign. Yes they may visit us get a free steak meal like Aldridge did and then sign else where.

With that said i dont see how Blake comes here especially with Chris talking to him about how Pat treated Wade and Lebron. So that bridge is burned. Westbrook has no connection to us at all so unless we are trading for him we have no shot.

contract · Post #1711 » by **contract** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:20 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Don't think we'd trade for any rentals that don't commit long term, verbally

I don't even understand all this "big whale trade" talk.

Blake and Westbrook are free agents next year, trading for them now is beyond stupid.

Who exactly are those whales worth trading away TJ/Rich/Justise?

Like I keep saying, Pat will go after Boogie.

Mos_Heat · Post #1712 » by **Mos_Heat** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:22 pm

contract wrote:
Mos_Heat wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:I wonder if come the deadline with Richardson and Goran might be enough for Westbrook....

Of course not.

It could be. Westbrook will decide where he goes because he's a free agent at the end of the year if he wants to be. If he wants to come to Miami, it could get done today.

It's unreal situation.

Bishop45 · Post #1713 » by **Bishop45** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:26 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Don't think we'd trade for any rentals that don't commit long term, verbally

I don't even understand all this "big whale trade" talk.

Blake and Westbrook are free agents next year, trading for them now is beyond stupid.

Who exactly are those whales worth trading away TJ/Rich/Justise?

Maybe they think it's easier to acquire them that way, paid off with Goran(being able to offer him much more), but you never know what the assets are worth. Expiree's and rookie contracts are like gold to liquid money (theoretically) when it comes to assets (Compared to picks). I'm not mad at the FO if it goes down that way, at least they have a direction. Committing to tanking with their monetary investment is just nonsensical

RexBoyWonder · Post #1714 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:39 pm

contract wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Don't think we'd trade for any rentals that don't commit long term, verbally

I don't even understand all this "big whale trade" talk.

Blake and Westbrook are free agents next year, trading for them now is beyond stupid.

Who exactly are those whales worth trading away TJ/Rich/Justise?

Like I keep saying, Pat will go after Boogie.

Boogie? why would we want him after locking Hassan for 4 years?

RexBoyWonder · Post #1715 » by **RexBoyWonder** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:47 pm

I covered Waiters in Cleveland for half of the 2014-15 season before he was traded to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Cavaliers teammates privately cheered the trade, calling it “addition by subtraction,” so much so that J.R. Smith was considered a more reliable option. You thought Mario Chalmers had irrational confidence? Wait until you experience Waiters. He told Syracuse teammates to call him “Kobe Wade,” declared himself part of the best backcourt in the NBA while coming off a 33-win season, and called for the ball incessantly, unsuccessfully and comically while playing with the Cavaliers’ Big 3.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/ethan-j-skolnick/article92019707.html#storylink=cpy

Bishop45 · Post #1716 » by **Bishop45** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:52 pm

Mion and Myrie was a very fun time/ start to '14 season lol

Hopefully he's to come off the bench, only real worry I have is if he begins to squabble about minutes... That could end badly

Cmon_Son-_- · Post #1717 » by **Cmon_Son-_-** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:35 pm

Dragic wasn't committed long term when we traded for him. Pat would easily take the chance on a Westbrook rental.

NBADraft2003 · Post #1718 » by **NBADraft2003** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:43 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Don't think we'd trade for any rentals that don't commit long term, verbally

I don't even understand all this "big whale trade" talk.

Blake and Westbrook are free agents next year, trading for them now is beyond stupid.

Who exactly are those whales worth trading away TJ/Rich/Justise?

Rex Blake and Westbrook will want that 5 year more than anything. There game is based on athletic ability and they both have had injuries in the past. If you dont trade for them there is no way you get them to sign. Yes they may visit us get a free steak meal like Aldridge did and then sign else where.

With that said i dont see how Blake comes here especially with Chris talking to him about how Pat treated Wade and Lebron. So that bridge is burned. Westbrook has no connection to us at all so unless we are trading for him we have no shot.

Bishop45 · Post #1719 » by **Bishop45** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:44 pm

If Stokes is still around after Feb. (Not likely), would love to see a reunion. I expect Spurs to have him locked

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/754406331445051392[/tweet]

Gonna look out for his brother in upcoming drafts, just cuz

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/756246952673587200[/tweet]

Cmon_Son-_- · Post #1720 » by **Cmon_Son-_-** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:22 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
contract wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
I don't even understand all this "big whale trade" talk.

Blake and Westbrook are free agents next year, trading for them now is beyond stupid.

Who exactly are those whales worth trading away TJ/Rich/Justise?

Like I keep saying, Pat will go after Boogie.

Boogie? why would we want him after locking Hassan for 4 years?

He's better and younger