OT Fitz vs Geno

[goldenbrandon]

I for one like that we paid Mo and not Fitz. Fitz has been a journeyman his whole career and benefited from that dynamic duo at receivers. Geno did win the job fairly last camp. Give Geno a chance with the same receivers plus Forte. Geno has a bigger arm and more athletic. I'm not saying don't pay Fitz, just don't overpay. Very excited Jets fan.

[SaveUsKP6]

I love Fitz, brought a ton of character to the team, did his job well. That being said, I'm not ready to pay for any more than 1 year of Fitz. If he wants longterm guaranteed dollars, take a hike. Fitz without Gailey and an elite WR looks awfully similar to Geno his first two years. No reason to think Geno can't take a leap playing with Decker and Marshall under Gailey with Matt Forte as a security blanket.

[Knicksfan1992]

Fitz's numbers last year weren't as good as they seem on the surface. Nothing that shows he's any better than he once was or, for that matter, is significantly better than Geno Smith. If we do sign Fitz it should be for 1 year and 1 year only. If he doesn't want that than go to the all of the other teams knocking down your door for your services... Oh wait... There is no reason to impact the cap situation down the line for such a mediocre to below average quarterback like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Schedule is a buzzsaw anyway and the playoffs are way more unlikely than they were last year. Rather see what a younger QB like Geno, who finally has a competent offensive coaching staff and receivers, has with a good supporting cast than the journeyman that is Fitz.

[CoolKids]

Let me tell you as someone who watched every single snap of his collegiate career his transition to the NFL has been perplexing. He has all the tools to be a good NFL qb but he has been a total turnover machine in the NFL. Ironically that was probably his biggest strength in college, protecting the ball.

24 TD 7 INT (first year starting)
31 TD 7 INT
42 TD 6 INT

I am still hoping he turns things around but he must be on a very tight leash. this is his last shot

[Jeff Van Gully]

i like fitz, a lot. i thought he was a good get for the jets, all things considered. i don't trust geno at all. but i agree that fitz's problems get overlooked a bit.

if you really think geno is the future, then no point in keeping fitz around even past this season.

[SaveUsKP6]

i like fitz, a lot. i thought he was a good get for the jets, all things considered. i don't trust geno at all. but i agree that fitz's problems get overlooked a bit.

if you really thin geno is the future, then no point in keeping fitz around even past this season.

I don't think anyone thinks Geno is the future. I think a lot of people think Geno can get you through a year or maybe two until you can bring in the QB of the future or one of Petty/Hack proves they can be that.

[will34]

I can't wait for Jets fans who are complaining about Fitz to eat crow after they watch the putz Geno Smith jump throw another INT. Guy was a good college QB. He doesn't have the vision for the NFL. Pay Fitz.

[SaveUsKP6]

I can't wait for Jets fans who are complaining about Fitz to eat crow after they watch the putz Geno Smith jump throw another INT. Guy was a good college QB. He doesn't have the vision for the NFL. Pay Fitz.

Pay Fitz for one year. Anything more than that is shortsighted and luckily our GM is anything but that.

[will34]

I can't wait for Jets fans who are complaining about Fitz to eat crow after they watch the putz Geno Smith jump throw another INT. Guy was a good college QB. He doesn't have the vision for the NFL. Pay Fitz.

Pay Fitz for one year. Anything more than that is shortsighted and luckily our GM is anything but that.

You can probably live with two years of Fitz. The Jets are built to win now. Once that window runs out they have to go in the tank for a QB.

[SaveUsKP6]

I can't wait for Jets fans who are complaining about Fitz to eat crow after they watch the putz Geno Smith jump throw another INT. Guy was a good college QB. He doesn't have the vision for the NFL. Pay Fitz.

Pay Fitz for one year. Anything more than that is shortsighted and luckily our GM is anything but that.

You can probably live with two years of Fitz. The Jets are built to win now. Once that window runs out they have to go in the tank for a QB.

You can't live two two years of Fitz if he's making $10+ mil next season and you're already gonna struggle to find money for Sheldon Richardson's extension.

One year or bust. Or two year with a minimal cap hit in year 2.

[goldenbrandon]

Let me tell you as someone who watched every single snap of his collegiate career his transition to the NFL has been perplexing. He has all the tools to be a good NFL qb but he has been a total turnover machine in the NFL. Ironically that was probably his biggest strength in college, protecting the ball.

24 TD 7 INT (first year starting)
31 TD 7 INT
42 TD 6 INT

I am still hoping he turns things around but he must be on a very tight leash. this is his last shot

To be fair to Geno, his rookie season was awful but so was his weapons. He got Decker in year 2, but Decker was hamstrung most of that season. And Geno was jaw broken before he had a chance to play with Marshall. His turnovers did decrease drastically from year one to two and he did beat Fitz for the job. I never seen a player that got so much scrutiny off a rookie season.. Luck continues to turn the ball over by the way. Geno not as bad as he gets portrayed by the media

[j4remi]

It was telling last year when Fitz tore ligaments in his thumb that Geno came in and the OC immediately played it safe with his play calling. Then Fitz with a special cast was still starting over dude even when we ran a handoff heavy offense (and his handoff hand was injured). That's not to say Geno can't have improved or wouldn't look better with an improved line and weapons; or that I condone Fitz asking for a massive pay day. But I do think the Jets have to do everything in their power to bring Fitz back.

1) Geno's ability is uncertain and our window is waning. We can't afford to find out he's not ready this season when Marshall, Decker and Revis are all aging players (and Forte is unproven and old for an RB).
2) If Geno fails or gets hurt, we don't have a back-up that can take the spot. We have two young, raw QB's with great talent but who need time.
3) The WR's love Fitz, he was regarded a locker room leader and that means something.
4) With Brady's suspension, this could be our best chance to win the division. We should give ourselves every opportunity to do so.

Paying Mo actually freed up money to give Fitz a bit more. I'd condone a large salary for a one year deal and a middling one for two. That should buy our young QB's time to show us what they have. Geno can compete for the starting role, he's got a head start in preparation and rhythm, so maybe he can outshine Fitz and force a new discussion. But we've done too much with the roster to just let Fitz walk without taking every shot (within reason) at keeping him. Not just because he's probably our best starting option, but because our depth would make any injury to Geno a nightmare scenario.

[Jeff Van Gully]

It was telling last year when Fitz tore ligaments in his thumb that Geno came in and the OC immediately played it safe with his play calling. Then Fitz with a special cast was still starting over dude even when we ran a handoff heavy offense (and his handoff hand was injured). That's not to say Geno can't have improved or wouldn't look better with an improved line and weapons; or that I condone Fitz asking for a massive pay day. But I do think the Jets have to do everything in their power to bring Fitz back.

1) Geno's ability is uncertain and our window is waning. We can't afford to find out he's not ready this season when Marshall, Decker and Revis are all aging players (and Forte is unproven and old for an RB).
2) If Geno fails or gets hurt, we don't have a back-up that can take the spot. We have two young, raw QB's with great talent but who need time.
3) The WR's love Fitz, he was regarded a locker room leader and that means something.
4) With Brady's suspension, this could be our best chance to win the division. We should give ourselves every opportunity to do so.

Paying Mo actually freed up money to give Fitz a bit more. I'd condone a large salary for a one year deal and a middling one for two. That should buy our young QB's time to show us what they have. Geno can compete for the starting role, he's got a head start in preparation and rhythm, so maybe he can outshine Fitz and force a new discussion. But we've done too much with the roster to just let Fitz walk without taking every shot (within reason) at keeping him. Not just because he's probably our best starting option, but because our depth would make any injury to Geno a nightmare scenario.

pretty much my take on it. if both are stop-gaps, fitz seems like the superior option and worth splurging on now.

[Knicksfan1992]

It was telling last year when Fitz tore ligaments in his thumb that Geno came in and the OC immediately played it safe with his play calling. Then Fitz with a special cast was still starting over dude even when we ran a handoff heavy offense (and his handoff hand was injured). That's not to say Geno can't have improved or wouldn't look better with an improved line and weapons; or that I condone Fitz asking for a massive pay day. But I do think the Jets have to do everything in their power to bring Fitz back.

1) Geno's ability is uncertain and our window is waning. We can't afford to find out he's not ready this season when Marshall, Decker and Revis are all aging players (and Forte is unproven and old for an RB).
2) If Geno fails or gets hurt, we don't have a back-up that can take the spot. We have two young, raw QB's with great talent but who need time.
3) The WR's love Fitz, he was regarded a locker room leader and that means something.
4) With Brady's suspension, this could be our best chance to win the division. We should give ourselves every opportunity to do so.

Paying Mo actually freed up money to give Fitz a bit more. I'd condone a large salary for a one year deal and a middling one for two. That should buy our young QB's time to show us what they have. Geno can compete for the starting role, he's got a head start in preparation and rhythm, so maybe he can outshine Fitz and force a new discussion. But we've done too much with the roster to just let Fitz walk without taking every shot (within reason) at keeping him. Not just because he's probably our best starting option, but because our depth would make any injury to Geno a nightmare scenario.

I can't think of a dumber move than paying Fitz just to have Geno outperform him in camp and start over him. Just let Fitz go. He's not good and we're more than likely missing the playoffs anyway with this schedule (it's just the reality of the situation). I don't think we're much better with him than Geno anyway personally. We're bidding against ourselves at this point for him. Start Geno, sign a Josh McCown type for depth and move Petty to the practice squad.

I don't think anyone thinks Geno is the future. I think a lot of people think Geno can get you through a year or maybe two until you can bring in the QB of the future or one of Petty/Hack proves they can be that.

Why can't Geno be the future if he plays decent? If Geno plays even average we should lock him up long term at a reasonable price so we can keep the rest of our roster elite. Paying just above average QB's a lot of money is a death sentence for teams. It happened to Baltimore once they paid Flacco big money. Seattle with Wilson is feeling the effects of losing talent at key positions because his value was inflated by the ridiculous defense they had, San Fran with Kaepernick etc.

[Knicksfan1992]

And for those who really think Fitz is worth the money or all of this drama or for that matter any good at actually being a starting caliber QB in the NFL I implore you to read this article by Cian Fahey who is one of the best at evaluating QB's out there.

http://presnapreads.com/2016/03/29/2689/

[Sark]

I like the headlines we get with Geno, so I'll take him.

[el13adnino]

i think u should try to steal anderson from carolina

[Appleshampoo]

I'm pretty sure the Jets haven't offered a 1 year 12 mill deal because of cap restraints. The 3 year deal allows the team to stretch the cap hit in 2016, 2017 & 2018 over 3 years.

Fitz only leverage right now is pretending he has a lot of leverage. The Jets contract is fair because if he plays as good as he did in 2015 for years 2 & 3 incentive kickers bring him up to a starter's wage. He has done nothing to deserve more then what he's offered. The market dictated that and, honestly, so does playing awful in the final game versus Buffalo.

Fitz "leverage" is, this team loves me, I'm the smartest QB in the room and no one is comfortable with Geno. Boomer Esiason always says how Brandon Marshall loved that Fitz would send text messages on a Wednesday on a read he picked up on watching tape at home.

Geno has all the tools but doesn't have the track record to make you comfortable he'll make good decisions consistently. In 2014 when the Jets opened versus a bunch of stud teams he actually played pretty well... but overall he just seems to lack NFL starting QB material.

Fitz & Jets need to compromise. Fitz probably asked for $17 mill per (Bradford deal). He wants to get paid for being underpaid in 2015... 2 year $22 million deal. $15 Mill guaranteed. $14 mill in 2016 $8 mill in 2017. Less incentives then what's on the table now.

[kane]

as a bills fan thinking about Fitz makes me want to puke, dude had 4 good games was on ESPN every other second cover of SI did a bunch of TV shows and they gave him this huge contract and instantly turned to garbage... basically he was lin if the knicks had gave him a long term deal

[Knicked_Up]

Geno Smith is not a good player. Jets will go 6-10 at best if he is the QB. Their schedule is brutal.