Best Lineups and PT Distribution

[ChokeFasncists]

What do you think is the best lineups and minutes distribution for this roster?
At the beginning of the season, latter part, potential and ideal?

Brook&Lin are the only locks as starters I think.

PG - Lin (36)/ Vasquez (12) If Whitehead plays well, both Lin and Vasquez can play some 2 with him
SG - If not for his injury worries, I'd prefer LeVert to start at the 2, hopefully later in the season, Foye and Skill fight for the backup minutes, probably Foye more at the beginning and shift to Skill later
SF - Bogs and RHJ probably start at the wing positions at the beginning, if RHJ gets a corner three we'd be all set at the 3, he'd definitely be the starter here, otherwise, Bogs remain the starter for the season?
PF - Booker most likely starts, Scola could be token starter, ideally Bennett or CMC take over
C - Brook (36)/Hamilton (12) Maybe the PFs could play some here for small ball, could Brook and Hamilton play together for big lineup?

Small lineup:
Lin/Vasquez/Bogs/RHJ/Brook
That's pretty good offensively. (especially if RHJ gets a corner three, otherwise put in LeVert)

Running lineup:
Lin/Whitehead/RHJ/Booker/Bennett (since Atkinson said Bennett might play some 5)

Huge lineup:
Vasquez/RHJ/Booker/Hamilton/Brook (since Hamilton can shoot 3s apparently)

[MrDollarBills]

Its not good to have two non shooters at the forward spots unless you're going to have Lopez putting up the deep ball this season'

With RHJ and Lopez out there, ideally you want PG, SG, and PF to be able to make shots.

Now we can slide Bojan in at SG. PF is the real problem.

[Prokorov]

PG: Lin (36), Vazques (12)
SG: Hollis- Jefferson (28), Vazquez(6), Kilpatrick (14)
SF: Bogdanovic (34), Kilpatrick (14)
PF: Booker (30), CMC (18)
C: Lopez (32), Scola (16)

Hamilton probably becomes the occasional 10th man in the rotation with scola getting some DNPs to keep him alive and upright. LeVert probably eats into Kilpatricks minutes at somepoint unless Skil can continue his play from last year over 82 games.

[Prokorov]

Its not good to have two non shooters at the forward spots unless you're going to have Lopez putting up the deep ball this season'

With RHJ and Lopez out there, ideally you want PG, SG, and PF to be able to make shots.

Now we can slide Bojan in at SG. PF is the real problem.

agreed... kind of same issues as last year, not enough/no 2 way players. allegedly they promised booker starting minutes. unless foye beats out skil and RHJ comes off the bench for foye/bogs i dont see anyway around it. i doubt mccullough starts, at least not early on and even if you want to play scola at PF, which id highley suggest against he really only gives you 20 mpg for 65ish games conservatively.

we are really deep in 1 dimensional role guys. someone needs to step up. i dont think we can worry about "not enough shooters with that group" or "not enough D with that group". i think we need ot just roll with our 5 best guys and try and compete on effort and team play.

I agree with the OP, that our most effective lineup is probably: Lin/Grevis/Bogs/RHJ/Brook. alot of offense, our 2 best shooters on the floor, tons of passing, and RHJ at PF makes having him on the floor easier. i think we probably close out games with that ;ineup or something similar to that lineup

[kamaze]

Rondae at power forward? He's too frail to play there at least McCullough is used to playing against the big bodies.

I think they roll with Booker, Scola and McCullough at the 4 spot.

[Prokorov]

Rondae at power forward? He's too frail to play there at least McCullough is used to playing against the big bodies.

I think they roll with Booker, Scola and McCullough at the 4 spot.

look at the PFs in the league today... not really many bruisers and alot of guys who stay on the outside....

also, it wouldnt be a fulltime thing, it would be more to close out games.

Milsap
jae crowder
Mirotic
Marvin Williams
Tobias Harris
Kevin Love
Thad Young
Jabari parker
Prigioni
patterson
simmons/noel
markief morriss

i mean, most of those guys are small guys and/or guys who hang on the perimeter. not many id worry about abusing RHJ down low inside.

[sidestep]

Hamilton has the mobility, length, and range to play a stretch 4, and he can work in the paint too. I expect to see some Lopez-Hamilton lineups; it would be a waste if Hamilton only gets minutes when Lopez is out. On the defensive end, I am not sure how Hamilton will fare against quick, face-up PFs, we shall see, but Hamilton can certainly run the floor.

For the bench unit, now that Scola has added the 3 ball to his arsenal, a stretch big lineup of Scola and Hamilton is intriguing.

[kamaze]

Rondae at power forward? He's too frail to play there at least McCullough is used to playing against the big bodies.

I think they roll with Booker, Scola and McCullough at the 4 spot.

look at the PFs in the league today... not really many bruisers and alot of guys who stay on the outside....

also, it wouldnt be a fulltime thing, it would be more to close out games.

Milsap
jae crowder
Mirotic
Marvin Williams
Tobias Harris
Kevin Love
Thad Young
Jabari parker
Prigioni
patterson
simmons/noel
markief morriss

i mean, most of those guys are small guys and/or guys who hang on the perimeter. not many id worry about abusing RHJ down low inside.

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

[sidestep]

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

RHJ shows promise as a defender and all around athletic guy. But so many young guys at the wings, so there is surely going to be a lot of flux in the early season in terms of who starts and who gets minutes among Foye, RHJ, Levert, Bogs, and Kilpatrick. Bogs is the least athletic of the young bunch but he is also the best shooter.

[kamaze]

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

RHJ shows promise as a defender and all around athletic guy. But so many young guys at the wings, so there is surely going to be a lot of flux in the early season in terms of who starts and who gets minutes among Foye, RHJ, Levert, Bogs, and Kilpatrick. Bogs is the least athletic of the bunch but he is also the best shooter.

Bogs will have a big chance to shine now with the new coaching staff and the emphasis on passing the ball. Kilpatrick doesn't though wonder how that's gonna work out.

[Prokorov]

Rondae at power forward? He's too frail to play there at least McCullough is used to playing against the big bodies.

I think they roll with Booker, Scola and McCullough at the 4 spot.

look at the PFs in the league today... not really many bruisers and alot of guys who stay on the outside....

also, it wouldnt be a fulltime thing, it would be more to close out games.

Milsap
jae crowder
Mirotic
Marvin Williams
Tobias Harris
Kevin Love
Thad Young
Jabari parker
Prigioni
patterson
simmons/noel
markief morriss

i mean, most of those guys are small guys and/or guys who hang on the perimeter. not many id worry about abusing RHJ down low inside.

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

Summer league is irrelevant, and nothing like the NBA... no vets, no size, no shot blockers, no iq. its a glorified pickup game in a 6'8" and under league basically. its for undrafted guys to get a contract and guys with a spot on the team to work on weaknesses or get playing time in the system

either way, its irrelevant to the intial point, which was "i dont know if RHJ can handle the size at PF". to which i pointed out size in todays NBA/eastern conference isnt really in issue. i think our most effective lineups will have RHJ at the 4, i think we will close games like that. that said, i think he spends most of his time on the wing

[sidestep]

i think our most effective lineups will have RHJ at the 4, i think we will close games like that. that said, i think he spends most of his time on the wing

my first reaction was, if RHJ is the 2nd biggest guy in the unit, they will get hurt on the boards. then i looked up his per36 last season, and he averaged an impressive 9 REBs per36min (over 29 games). then I looked up his lineups, and as far as I can tell he played exclusively in this lineup:
Hollis-Jefferson,Rondae - Jack,Jarrett - Johnson,Joe - Lopez,Brook - Young,Thaddeus

so, he played beside two bigger dudes, thad and lopez, and still managed that rebound rate. while there is some noise in those stats, like lopez and thad boxing out for RHJ to garner the REB stats, that is still impressive. per36 rebound rates are usually pretty reliable numbers that don't fluctuate radically, for bigs at least.

[kamaze]

look at the PFs in the league today... not really many bruisers and alot of guys who stay on the outside....

also, it wouldnt be a fulltime thing, it would be more to close out games.

Milsap
jae crowder
Mirotic
Marvin Williams
Tobias Harris
Kevin Love
Thad Young
Jabari parker
Prigioni
patterson
simmons/noel
markief morriss

i mean, most of those guys are small guys and/or guys who hang on the perimeter. not many id worry about abusing RHJ down low inside.

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

Summer league is irrelevant, and nothing like the NBA... no vets, no size, no shot blockers, no iq. its a glorified pickup game in a 6'8" and under league basically. its for undrafted guys to get a contract and guys with a spot on the team to work on weaknesses or get playing time in the system

either way, its irrelevant to the intial point, which was "i dont know if RHJ can handle the size at PF". to which i pointed out size in todays NBA/eastern conference isnt really in issue. i think our most effective lineups will have RHJ at the 4, i think we will close games like that. that said, i think he spends most of his time on the wing

Did you read this quote from the coach?

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

[Prokorov]

i think our most effective lineups will have RHJ at the 4, i think we will close games like that. that said, i think he spends most of his time on the wing

my first reaction was, if RHJ is the 2nd biggest guy in the unit, they will get hurt on the boards. then i looked up his per36 last season, and he averaged an impressive 9 REBs per36min (over 29 games). then I looked up his lineups, and as far as I can tell he played exclusively in this lineup:
Hollis-Jefferson,Rondae - Jack,Jarrett - Johnson,Joe - Lopez,Brook - Young,Thaddeus

so, he played beside two bigger dudes, thad and lopez, and still managed that rebound rate. while there is some noise in those stats, like lopez and thad boxing out for RHJ to garner the REB stats, that is still impressive. per36 rebound rates are usually pretty reliable numbers that don't fluctuate radically, for bigs at least.

i dont think rebounding is a huge concern is such a small sample (i see that lineup clsioing games.. your talking like 6-8 minutes a night.)

and if you punt rebounding but gain an overall better executing unit, at the end of the game, you take that tradeoff.

[Prokorov]

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

Summer league is irrelevant, and nothing like the NBA... no vets, no size, no shot blockers, no iq. its a glorified pickup game in a 6'8" and under league basically. its for undrafted guys to get a contract and guys with a spot on the team to work on weaknesses or get playing time in the system

either way, its irrelevant to the intial point, which was "i dont know if RHJ can handle the size at PF". to which i pointed out size in todays NBA/eastern conference isnt really in issue. i think our most effective lineups will have RHJ at the 4, i think we will close games like that. that said, i think he spends most of his time on the wing

Did you read this quote from the coach?

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

Which is why i have him as a starting wing for us.

him playing PF for us for me would be to close out games, as i see that as our most effective lineup and the one that would execute best.

i dont think booker or cmc or bennet have as much value late in games as Grevis would(who would be taking their spot techincally, with RHJ sliding to the 4)

That lineup gives you Lin and Lopez with our 2 best floor spacers(bgos and grevis) and our best passer(grevis) and our only guy who is getting clutch iso stops (RHJ).

[jbeachboy]

anthony bennett , foye, and justin hamilton sit on bench? whitehead too? i wonder how atkinson decides who to play.

[MrDollarBills]

Its not good to have two non shooters at the forward spots unless you're going to have Lopez putting up the deep ball this season'

With RHJ and Lopez out there, ideally you want PG, SG, and PF to be able to make shots.

Now we can slide Bojan in at SG. PF is the real problem.

agreed... kind of same issues as last year, not enough/no 2 way players. allegedly they promised booker starting minutes. unless foye beats out skil and RHJ comes off the bench for foye/bogs i dont see anyway around it. i doubt mccullough starts, at least not early on and even if you want to play scola at PF, which id highley suggest against he really only gives you 20 mpg for 65ish games conservatively.

we are really deep in 1 dimensional role guys. someone needs to step up. i dont think we can worry about "not enough shooters with that group" or "not enough D with that group". i think we need ot just roll with our 5 best guys and try and compete on effort and team play.

I agree with the OP, that our most effective lineup is probably: Lin/Grevis/Bogs/RHJ/Brook. alot of offense, our 2 best shooters on the floor, tons of passing, and RHJ at PF makes having him on the floor easier. i think we probably close out games with that ;ineup or something similar to that lineup

I'm cool with the small ball line up in situational minutes.

What we're going to need however is for someone to seriously seize an opportunity

C-Mac to me...he seems so passive. He has the tools but i'm scared to see him out there and playing passive. Booker would start over him because at least we know Booker will bring that motor, the boards, and defense. the problem is RHJ can't shoot so we're stuck with another Wallace/Evans situation which we all know KILLED us a few years ago (even though I like RHJ/Booker more than Wallace/Evans since both of them are plus defenders)

It will take some creative coaching from Kenny to offset this.

Also, will Bojan be consistent? His PER is trash and his defense and consistency are horrid. yet, he still posted good shooting numbers. i don't know what we'll get from him but my gut says if he sees 30+ mins a night he'll produce but not enough to tip the scales

I'm going to name three players. TWO of these guys need to pop off in order for the Nets to surprise people:

LeVert, McCullough, Bennet

If Levert shocks the world and makes Marks looks like a genius, that would be a coup.

If either C-Mac or Bennet can give the Nets what they really need at the 4, that would be a coup

chances of either of these things happening are below 2%

me may need to invoke prayer with this roster

[MrDollarBills]

"Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, man there's your draft pick," Atkinson later said. "He's an athletic guy and can defend the position. Why can't he be a darn-good starting three-man in this league?"

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

RHJ shows promise as a defender and all around athletic guy. But so many young guys at the wings, so there is surely going to be a lot of flux in the early season in terms of who starts and who gets minutes among Foye, RHJ, Levert, Bogs, and Kilpatrick. Bogs is the least athletic of the young bunch but he is also the best shooter.

RHJ is a plus player on the floor. He is playing 28-32 minutes a night. it doesn't matter what position, he proved last year we are BETTER with him on the floor. i don't care if he shoots like trash he will make plays.

he will be one of the league leaders in steals this season and will have + defensive metrics across the board. quote me

[kamaze]

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

RHJ shows promise as a defender and all around athletic guy. But so many young guys at the wings, so there is surely going to be a lot of flux in the early season in terms of who starts and who gets minutes among Foye, RHJ, Levert, Bogs, and Kilpatrick. Bogs is the least athletic of the young bunch but he is also the best shooter.

RHJ is a plus player on the floor. He is playing 28-32 minutes a night. it doesn't matter what position, he proved last year we are BETTER with him on the floor. i don't care if he shoots like trash he will make plays.

he will be one of the league leaders in steals this season and will have + defensive metrics across the board. quote me

Did he play power forward any last year? I missed a lot of games.

[sidestep]

i think our most effective lineups will have RHJ at the 4, i think we will close games like that. that said, i think he spends most of his time on the wing

my first reaction was, if RHJ is the 2nd biggest guy in the unit, they will get hurt on the boards. then i looked up his per36 last season, and he averaged an impressive 9 REBs per36min (over 29 games). then I looked up his lineups, and as far as I can tell he played exclusively in this lineup:
Hollis-Jefferson,Rondae - Jack,Jarrett - Johnson,Joe - Lopez,Brook - Young,Thaddeus

so, he played beside two bigger dudes, thad and lopez, and still managed that rebound rate. while there is some noise in those stats, like lopez and thad boxing out for RHJ to garner the REB stats, that is still impressive. per36 rebound rates are usually pretty reliable numbers that don't fluctuate radically, for bigs at least.

i dont think rebounding is a huge concern is such a small sample (i see that lineup clsioing games.. your talking like 6-8 minutes a night.)

and if you punt rebounding but gain an overall better executing unit, at the end of the game, you take that tradeoff.

I disagree that rebounding is not important in a lineup that closes games. Securing defensive rebounds is essential for putting together a run, and protecting a lead. RHJ is a superior rebounder for a SF. But at the 4 spot alongside Lopez, I'm with MrDollarBills on that -- it's bad for spacing.

At summer league he looked comfortable at small forward. Coach played him at point guard to work on his ball handling he's a good defender now and he can be a slasher.

RHJ shows promise as a defender and all around athletic guy. But so many young guys at the wings, so there is surely going to be a lot of flux in the early season in terms of who starts and who gets minutes among Foye, RHJ, Levert, Bogs, and Kilpatrick. Bogs is the least athletic of the young bunch but he is also the best shooter.

RHJ is a plus player on the floor. He is playing 28-32 minutes a night. it doesn't matter what position, he proved last year we are BETTER with him on the floor. i don't care if he shoots like trash he will make plays.

he will be one of the league leaders in steals this season and will have + defensive metrics across the board. quote me

With TJ out of the picture, and basically replaced by Vasquez, there is less athleticism on this roster than I would have liked, so I really value RHJ's athleticism and length and I look forward to seeing him get burn. But it's hard to jigger this. I heard that Booker was promised starter minutes, and if you put Lopez, Booker and RHJ together, there are gonna be spacing issues. It's a funky puzzle trying to fit these pieces together.