Dirk 16/17

Post #21 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:15 pm

Year 1 is easy---Dallas filled their needs and were able to keep Dirk's cap hold enabling them to exceed the cap to pay him. so they paid him up pretty close to the tax line, leaving a little flexibility to waive a min guy and sign a new one and to cover DWill's incentives. So why not just pay Dirk as much as you can without hitting tax.

And a $5M gte next year isn't terrible if Dirk retires. The $25M salary if he comes back will really hurt putting a good team around him. So I'm a little surprised about that. I would have expected just a straight PO that Dirk opted out of knowing Cuban would take care of him again if he came back but giving the team some flexibility in free agency.

Devassa · Post #22 » by **Devassa** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:06 pm

He's still being underpaid. We owe him everything

2011Champs · Post #23 » by **2011Champs** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:54 pm

Dirk has already earned this money. Glad he is getting his back pay. Hopefully he won't have to play major minutes this season with Powell, Acy and Barnes as alternate PF options.

Darren · Post #24 » by **Darren** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:09 am

Wellcome back, Dirk. Thanks for 20 years in a row! Mark sends an invitation card for Dirk to come back in his 20th season. He makes a humor that Dirk is more valuable than random max players (who are willing to sign with Dallas, of course). In reality, the team does not believe that they can attract any stars through free agency. And they plan to find theirs from sign and trade. Expect them to be active by trade deadline. That was Mavs way doing the business before the lock out. This extension looks more like an official apology to Dirk for their wrong roster building approach last couple of years.

Sagittaron · Post #25 » by **Sagittaron** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:11 am

I am scared that this could mean Dirk is thinking that this is his last year hence the only 5 Mill guaranteed for next year, something like what Duncan did this summer. I hope I am wrong

Darren · Post #26 » by **Darren** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:40 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOMzE3cZobg

I'm still amazed how Dirk played 10 years younger last season. Redirkiculous. I can't wait to watch Dirk play the next two seasons. His work ethics is the best, if not already the best, among all professional sports.

arkuo · Post #27 » by **arkuo** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:56 pm

This is Cuban subtly giving Pat Riley the middle finger. He can pay Dirk $50M easily and RIley dropped the ball trying to shortchange Wade.

Post #28 » by **Dirk** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:15 pm

arkuo wrote:This is Cuban subtly giving Pat Riley the middle finger. He can pay Dirk $50M easily and RIley dropped the ball trying to shortchange Wade.

That may be true - sending a message around the league as well - but there's a significant difference between both cases. For Riley to pay Wade what he wanted, he would have had to trade McRoberts away (and pay the other team to take him on), since they had to re-sign Wade with cap space because his cap hold was gigantic (they had to renounce it so they could give the max to Whiteside).

The Mavs were able to make their moves, keep Dirk's relatively low cap hold on their team salary and then go over the cap to pay him 25 million. This is also why the Dirk/Kobe comparisons are also wrong. Kobe hurt the Lakers flexibility. Dirk hasn't... but... the second year might.

The $5M guarantee is very strange, I've been trying to find a good explanation for this structure and I can't figure it out. It would make more sense for the second year to just be a player/team option. It just hurts the Mavs flexibility to be players in next years free agency... and I hope they are... it makes no sense that in one year you're willing to give $94M to Barnes and then the next you handcuff yourself and don't go and chase another "max guy". There are ways to mitigate this second year guarantee, but it just seems like it was totally unnecessary, unless I hear a good explanation for it.

The one thing about Wade/Dirk that I've thought about is what we always have heard about team legends, "they'll be taken care of after they retire" --- if that was the case, maybe Wade wouldn't have made such a scene about Miami not paying him 4 or 5 million more in salary than they offered? Miami could have simply told him, we can only give you 20 million salary, but we'll make it up to you after you retire, but I guess it doesn't really work that way... and these players aren't really guaranteed some sort of lump payment when they retire or something.

Darren · Post #29 » by **Darren** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:42 am

I don't think it hurt us anything. Next offseason are full of RFA. Beyond that, there's not much players who're franchise player worthy. Mark has an eye on 2018 free agents instead. From Curry and Acy signing, we should find some clues already.

The Sparest · Post #30 » by **The Sparest** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:02 am

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:The $5M guarantee is very strange, I've been trying to find a good explanation for this structure and I can't figure it out. It would make more sense for the second year to just be a player/team option. It just hurts the Mavs flexibility to be players in next years free agency... and I hope they are... it makes no sense that in one year you're willing to give $94M to Barnes and then the next you handcuff yourself and don't go and chase another "max guy". There are ways to mitigate this second year guarantee, but it just seems like it was totally unnecessary, unless I hear a good explanation for it.

I think the 5 million guaranteed is a "going away present" for Dirk. If he lets the Mavs know he will be hanging them up after this season, then they can stretch waive that amount, and it will have minimum effect on their cap next season. If he decides to play another year, they can opt out and renegotiate his deal again, with another "going away present" attached.

Darren · Post #31 » by **Darren** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:14 am

I don't think so. They want Dirk back for 20th season. And we'll likely retain Bogut instead of going after big fishes. Our big fish are supposed to come in 2018. In doing so, the Mavs manage stability in locker room by making Dirk the highest paid players on roster. Between we've lost much in leadership since Kidd and Chandler's departure. I hope DWill and Bogut can play more prominent roles: Dwill on offensive end; Bogut on defensive end.

jpengland · Post #32 » by **jpengland** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 12:58 pm

Genuinely a bit pissed with this. It's really, really stupid thinking.

Yes - Dirk 'deserves' it. But I hate paying a guy over his value as we 'owe' him. Just as I disagree with other teams doing it.

This basically snookers us next year, as well. As we will have no cap room and vets signed. An extra year on the rebuild and no hope at all of improving next season.

Darren · Post #33 » by **Darren** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:13 am

http://screamer.deadspin.com/dirk-nowitzki-struggles-with-soccer-1784421985

Dirk's so lovely. That's the first time I watch him play soccer.

Post #34 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:44 am

jpengland wrote:Genuinely a bit pissed with this. It's really, really stupid thinking.

Yes - Dirk 'deserves' it. But I hate paying a guy over his value as we 'owe' him. Just as I disagree with other teams doing it.

This basically snookers us next year, as well. As we will have no cap room and vets signed. An extra year on the rebuild and no hope at all of improving next season.

You should have really anticipated this to occur years ago.
The writing was on the wall after Dirk has been so selfless over the years.

jpengland · Post #35 » by **jpengland** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:26 am

HMFFL wrote:
jpengland wrote:Genuinely a bit pissed with this. It's really, really stupid thinking.

Yes - Dirk 'deserves' it. But I hate paying a guy over his value as we 'owe' him. Just as I disagree with other teams doing it.

This basically snookers us next year, as well. As we will have no cap room and vets signed. An extra year on the rebuild and no hope at all of improving next season.

You should have really anticipated this to occur years ago.
The writing was on the wall after Dirk has been so selfless over the years.

Oh, I know. It hasn't surprised me. Just frustrates me.

Darren · Post #36 » by **Darren** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:42 am

Watch on YouTube

Dirk scored.

Post #37 » by **Dirk** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:15 am

jpengland wrote:Oh, I know. It hasn't surprised me. Just frustrates me.

It doesn't make much sense. You just went and maxed out Matthews and then Barnes. The logical step would be to try and sign another guy to a max contract next season. But you limit yourself this way? The contract should have been a player option --- it's basically the same thing as it is now, but without the $5M guarantee in there that kind of tells us that he'll be back with a $25M cap hit next season.

I wrote this before, but I think what this may be telling us is that there is "no under the table payment" or not many "word of mouth guarantees" to these legends. Like others, I thought while Dirk was giving money up, that he'd be rewarded after retiring, maybe he still will, but this second year on this contract is hard for me to process --- unless the Mavs were tanking, it just doesn't add up with what they've done these past two summers.

I'm surprised that this hasn't been talked about more or there has been some sort of official explanation for this type of contract.

jpengland · Post #38 » by **jpengland** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:19 am

Dirk Nowitzki wrote:
jpengland wrote:Oh, I know. It hasn't surprised me. Just frustrates me.

It doesn't make much sense. You just went and maxed out Matthews and then Barnes. The logical step would be to try and sign another guy to a max contract next season. But you limit yourself this way? The contract should have been a player option --- it's basically the same thing as it is now, but without the $5M guarantee in there that kind of tells us that he'll be back with a $25M cap hit next season.

I wrote this before, but I think what this may be telling us is that there is "no under the table payment" or not many "word of mouth guarantees" to these legends. Like others, I thought while Dirk was giving money up, that he'd be rewarded after retiring, maybe he still will, but this second year on this contract is hard for me to process --- unless the Mavs were tanking, it just doesn't add up with what they've done these past two summers.

I'm surprised that this hasn't been talked about more or there has been some sort of official explanation for this type of contract.

Exactly.

We have been vocal (and evidenced) in putting together a solid team around Dirk to allow for play off runs. If that is the goal (and it clearly is) then flexibility is required. We have zero trade pieces so cap flexibility is essential.

Maybe Dirk opts out next year and then resigns for less, I don't know. But it is just such an odd move.

Darren · Post #39 » by **Darren** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:23 am

No, it's team option instead of player option. And there's no real big fishes next offseason. Putting RFA aside, there's nothing left. At 16M, we can re-sign Bogut and perhaps Merji next offseason. We are rooting for Cousins in 2018, I believe.

Post #40 » by **Dirk** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:12 pm

jpengland wrote:We have been vocal (and evidenced) in putting together a solid team around Dirk to allow for play off runs. If that is the goal (and it clearly is) then flexibility is required. We have zero trade pieces so cap flexibility is essential.

Maybe Dirk opts out next year and then resigns for less, I don't know. But it is just such an odd move.

I missed it yesterday, but Cuban was on the radio and he talked about the contract.

Radio interview with 1033fmESPN here

03:30 ----------- Free agency talk

09:35 ----------- Talks about Parsons "It wasn't a basketball decision"

Goes on to talk about the team. Brings up Gibson and talks about what Curry brings.

13:30 ----------- Talks about Matthews "The guy is on a mission..."

14:54 ----------- Dirk's deal "It's a team option..."

It's funny how he went through the process and Holger who was negotiating for Dirk both times asked for less money than what the Mavs wanted to pay Dirk. :lol:

I still don't really understand the contract though. The one logical thing is that he is right, with this contract, no one will think this is Dirk's last year. But I doubt there would have been much talk with any other contract structure.

He mentions not wanting to expose Dirk to waivers, but that's the only way the Mavs have of being flexible (they'd have to stretch his contract I think and then re-sign him after getting their new max player or other free agents). At the same time, he explicitly mentions that it gives them "a lot of flexibility", so I guess I'll trust him.