Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

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Once again. If Dion is as bad as people are saying, then he's not a roadblock. If he does become a roadblock, that says more about TJ than Waiters.

Actually it'll say more about us paying a bench player $19m & $19m. That's more than Dragic will be making. He needs to become a starter just so that we have the option of moving him.

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Waiters has never played on the level of T. Jonson. Including Johnson rookie season. He will not take his minutes and is here because the organisation thinks that they can improve on his flaws after all the development success they've had lately.

That is way overstated. Whiteside's turn came before he got here.

[Myam333]

Once again. If Dion is as bad as people are saying, then he's not a roadblock. If he does become a roadblock, that says more about TJ than Waiters.

Actually it'll say more about us paying a bench player $18m & $19m. That's more than Dragic will be making. He needs to become a starter just so that we have the option of moving him.

Once again. He needs to earn it and since Waiters is so bad, that shouldn't be an issue.

If anyone complains about Waiters getting in the way, it means they have no faith in TJ. Period.

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I can see both Waiters and Ellington morphing into stars.

Star Jones.

[contract]

Once again. If Dion is as bad as people are saying, then he's not a roadblock. If he does become a roadblock, that says more about TJ than Waiters.

Actually it'll say more about us paying a bench player $18m & $19m. That's more than Dragic will be making. He needs to become a starter just so that we have the option of moving him.

Once again. He needs to earn it and since Waiters is so bad, that shouldn't be an issue.

If anyone complains about Waiters getting in the way, it means they have no faith in TJ. Period.

I have no faith in TJ as a starter. Period. Nonetheless, that contract is a burden for us, not for him.

[RexBoyWonder]

I was speaking aside from his salary, his salary makes him hard to turn away but so many gaudy things about him tell me no... Would be a hard decision for me, tbh.

Bis, mira:

Watch on YouTube

So much skill set...

Boogie has more pure, almost abstract talent.

In 6 years, he hasn't shown to be a winning player that harnesses his talents to win ball games and lead a team.

We're not building a player for NBA2K. I don't care or want my Center to shoot 3's at a below average rate. I want my Center to love playing defense. You don't need a Center to slow down an offense for 20 post ups in a game in todays NBA.

Efficiency > offensive versatility
Defense > offense (for Centers)
Limited game > superstar diva mentality

[Myam333]

Actually it'll say more about us paying a bench player $18m & $19m. That's more than Dragic will be making. He needs to become a starter just so that we have the option of moving him.

Once again. He needs to earn it and since Waiters is so bad, that shouldn't be an issue.

If anyone complains about Waiters getting in the way, it means they have no faith in TJ. Period.

I have no faith in TJ as a starter. Period. Nonetheless, that contract is a burden for us, not for him.

Well there you have it.

[RexBoyWonder]

Once again. If Dion is as bad as people are saying, then he's not a roadblock. If he does become a roadblock, that says more about TJ than Waiters.

Actually it'll say more about us paying a bench player $18m & $19m. That's more than Dragic will be making. He needs to become a starter just so that we have the option of moving him.

Once again. He needs to earn it and since Waiters is so bad, that shouldn't be an issue.

If anyone complains about Waiters getting in the way, it means they have no faith in TJ. Period.

It means we remember Haslem getting minutes over Hassan, Rich being sent to Dleague while Green played, TJ benched for Rio, you can go all the way back to Beas.

I have faith in TJ and Rich for the long term, but having real faith in a player doesn't mean bringing in direct competition with more experience to "test" them, it means letting them play through their mistakes and growing pains, giving them confidence and chances, chances they earned with their play and attitude since they came to Miami, not benching them in a crucial development stage for a random rental player in a building year for the team.

[cyclix]

TJ and Richardson made Chalmers, Cole & Napier expendable. Waiters is no better than Chalmers.

[Myam333]

Actually it'll say more about us paying a bench player $18m & $19m. That's more than Dragic will be making. He needs to become a starter just so that we have the option of moving him.

Once again. He needs to earn it and since Waiters is so bad, that shouldn't be an issue.

If anyone complains about Waiters getting in the way, it means they have no faith in TJ. Period.

It means we remember Haslem getting minutes over Hassan, Rich being sent to Dleague while Green played, TJ benched for Rio, you can go all the way back to Beas.

I have faith in TJ and Rich for the long term, but having real faith in a player doesn't mean bringing in direct competition with more experience to "test" them, it means letting them play through their mistakes and growing pains, giving them confidence and chances, chances they earned with their play and attitude since they came to Miami.

Rich wasn't ready and needed to go to the D-league to become the player he is today. Haslem and Rio were our scrubs with championship experience so yeah, Spo gave them minutes. Dion isn't our scrub though and is unproven, BUT at the end of the day did Haslem and Rio stop TJ and Hassan from progressing? Whoever those 2 bank with will tell you otherwise.

We shouldn't have to give them confidence after giving the contracts they just signed. The contracts alone show how much confidence the front office has in them so they should have all the confidence in the world at this point. Tj especially after he was acknowledging the doubters by "favoring" their tweets. TJ has to beat out Waiters and Hassan has to beat out Willie Reed. I'd say those 2 tasks are equal in "difficulty".

Edit: If you think TJ will get benched for Waiters than you can't say you have faith in TJ to outperform Dion Waiters. Dion Waiters.

[Sgt P]

I am convinced that some of the posters here are just plain non-positive people. No matter what happens they will always complain, because they choose to just look at things in a non-positive manner.

We are complaining about playing time for Dion, when he is the last to sign by the front office. Plus we all know that you can't predict crap when it comes to Spo rotation. Seriously, that is what I am dying to see. Spo without his go to guys. I do not see Spo playing anyone that is not doing what he likes. Hopefully it makes sense to me, I have flirted with fireSpo bandwagon a couple times.
Do we even know what the offense will be?
Primary scores?
How much Whiteside be offensive focal point? His role of Defense? With more time to incorporate HW, Spo should have a great defensive system.
Will the headless defense comeback?
I see a commitment back to defense intensity, love that. We might struggle to score especially when the game slows down, but thats more of a playoff games.

Defense, Run & Gun. Some post iso to take advantage of Whiteside on the block, back door screens where the roll man drifts behind the arch. Motion plays to free up Dragic... and many many snipers options. Thats just on the top of my head.

YoungGuns (TJ, Winslow n JRich) prove last year they can earned their minutes. I think they all will improve, so how will not earn more minutes with way less talent on the roster.

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Now back to our regular program..

Spoiler:

The Sky is Falling.

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TJ and Richardson made Chalmers, Cole & Napier expendable. Waiters is no better than Chalmers.

TJ didn't make Chalmers expendable. Micky's desire to avoid the repeater tax meant that we were dumping salary no matter what.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

I was speaking aside from his salary, his salary makes him hard to turn away but so many gaudy things about him tell me no... Would be a hard decision for me, tbh.

Bis, mira:

Watch on YouTube

So much skill set...

Boogie has more pure, almost abstract talent.

In 6 years, he hasn't shown to be a winning player that harnesses his talents to win ball games and lead a team.

We're not building a player for NBA2K. I don't care or want my Center to shoot 3's at a below average rate. I want my Center to love playing defense. You don't need a Center to slow down an offense for 20 post ups in a game in todays NBA.

Efficiency > offensive versatility
Defense > offense (for Centers)
Limited game > superstar diva mentality

You make it seem like Boogie isn't a willing defender now. I understand in the past he wasn't but the last 2 years he's shown he can be a good defender. Also He averages 27 points at the center position I'd say thats pretty good.
If you have a player that can impact the game like Boogie can you give him the ball.
Also your first line about being a winning player? Has anyone on this team proven their more of winning players than Boogie? Nope. You build around talent thats the only way teams win games.

[RexBoyWonder]

I don't think anyone is that worried, it's just going to be annoying if Spo screws up the rotation.

I can't even hate on the Waiters move that much because he might play a big role in us getting a high pick which is one of the biggest wins we can aim for this year.

Preseason games will show what Spo got planned, and by trade deadline we should know how Waiters/Williams/Reed fit in.

[Mos_Heat]

I am convinced that some of the posters here are just plain non-positive people. No matter what happens they will always complain, because they choose to just look at things in a non-positive manner.

And some people think that Riley doesn't make mistakes, so what? Doubt is not a bad thing.

[Hallstar]

Actually it'll say more about us paying a bench player $18m & $19m. That's more than Dragic will be making. He needs to become a starter just so that we have the option of moving him.

Once again. He needs to earn it and since Waiters is so bad, that shouldn't be an issue.

If anyone complains about Waiters getting in the way, it means they have no faith in TJ. Period.

I have no faith in TJ as a starter. Period. Nonetheless, that contract is a burden for us, not for him.

exactly

[IggieCC]

Well one sliver lining of this Waiter fiasco is that it fast tracked this MESS of a thread full of hate, crappy signings and Knicks love to its righteous demise.

I'm ready for fresh start. hope you guis are ready for a new thread, new OP, new ERA. teheheheee

[Myam333]

[J-House]

What about Jank the Tank?

[UD4MVP]

I know we're more worried about Spo's distribution of minutes, but his history tells me we should be more worried about him playing Wayne Ellington alot of minutes rather than Dion Waiters. Spo wouldn't have some allegiance or obligation to play Dion over TJ and Rich but I could see him playing the washed veteran player more than he should rather than overplaying the knucklehead chucker. I still think Jrich wins that starting job handily over Waiters in camp.