Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

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I Like my centers to rebound & protect the rim. I do not want my centers out at the 3 point line where they are not rebounding, & protecting the rim. I dont need my center scoring 25 points a game, while allowing apposing centers to score at will.

Boogie might not make that much now but he will ask for the max when his contract is up. & that max will be higher then Whitesides .

Another thing those who do not like Pat & the HEAT franchise can easily find another franchise to like. Or follow their man crush player to another team.

Ive been a fan since 88, & every player i have liked has retired already & im still a fan of my HEAT franchise & always will be.

May Pat Riley live for ever.

[cyclix]

I Like my centers to rebound & protect the rim. I do not want my centers out at the 3 point line where they are not rebounding, & protecting the rim. I dont need my center scoring 25 points a game, while allowing apposing centers to score at will.

Boogie might not make that much now but he will ask for the max when his contract is up. & that max will be higher then Whitesides .

Another thing those who do not like Pat & the HEAT franchise can easily find another franchise to like. Or follow their man crush player to another team.

Ive been a fan since 88, & every player i have liked has retired already & im still a fan of my HEAT franchise & always will be.

May Pat Riley live for ever.

Big men that can play non-tradional big man roles are as important in todays game as ever. The way big men were defended in the post in the 90s isn't the same as nowadays. Not to mention there are defensive rule changes today that allow big men to be even less effective in the post.

The ADs and Boogies of the world are actually ideal in todays game.

[QUIZ]

idc, stil no impress. Just doesn't move the needle, not scapegoating Kings either for him coming up short. It's everyone's/everything's fault but Boogie's. They get him everything he wants/wanted last year, the point guard he wanted, competent backup big, NBA ready draft pick, shooters, etc. and he goes and posts one of the biggest usage rate's of any big man in a poor season, in a light conference. Kevin Love never played with anywhere near the same talent and still showed more promise with much less in a much tougher Western conference. King's only fault beside's poor scouting and evaluation is continually enabling that baby /lastrant

Are you insinuating that Hassan or anyone on our team for that matter on the Kings in place of Cousins gets that trash team into the playoffs? Me no think so Bis.

[RexBoyWonder]

Despite not liking some of ours moves got to say I'm also very excited about this year.

I'm not sure if we'll be good but I think we'll be a fun team, exciting team, easy to root for, a lot of interesting growing players to watch (including Derrick Williams and Waiters) and also the draft watch could become very interesting.

I feel much better and more excited about this team then the Granger team. We're young and that always help things, even if we struggle the future will only get brighter.

[Bishop45]

idc, stil no impress. Just doesn't move the needle, not scapegoating Kings either for him coming up short. It's everyone's/everything's fault but Boogie's. They get him everything he wants/wanted last year, the point guard he wanted, competent backup big, NBA ready draft pick, shooters, etc. and he goes and posts one of the biggest usage rate's of any big man in a poor season, in a light conference. Kevin Love never played with anywhere near the same talent and still showed more promise with much less in a much tougher Western conference. King's only fault beside's poor scouting and evaluation is continually enabling that baby /lastrant

Are you insinuating that Hassan or anyone on our team for that matter on the Kings in place of Cousins gets that trash team into the playoffs? Me no think so Bis.

Bosh or Whiteside in place of Boogie would get that Kings team 33 w's or >. They had NBA players and a so-called Superstar-- zilch is what it amounted to. Public needs to stop making excuses for him, coaches fault... Then it's management's fault. Who else? Nah b, only thing he's proven in this league is that he is capable of being a high usage player... So far, no more, no less.

Less usage, more defense, on cordial efficiency= 33 w's or more in a damp Western conference

PER would lead me to believe that Whiteside contributed more offensively to his team in '16 and certainly defensively, So I'm just not buying him or his hype I guess

[Dennis Reynolds]

idc, stil no impress. Just doesn't move the needle, not scapegoating Kings either for him coming up short. It's everyone's/everything's fault but Boogie's. They get him everything he wants/wanted last year, the point guard he wanted, competent backup big, NBA ready draft pick, shooters, etc. and he goes and posts one of the biggest usage rate's of any big man in a poor season, in a light conference. Kevin Love never played with anywhere near the same talent and still showed more promise with much less in a much tougher Western conference. King's only fault beside's poor scouting and evaluation is continually enabling that baby /lastrant

Are you insinuating that Hassan or anyone on our team for that matter on the Kings in place of Cousins gets that trash team into the playoffs? Me no think so Bis.

I'm pretty sure this is the real reason OP hates Cousins:

Spoiler:

P.S. That's the star of David,a well known Jewish symbol but I'm pretty sure you guys know that on your own. I wrote this part just so Iggie could understand the joke.

[leoshes]

I Like my centers to rebound & protect the rim. I do not want my centers out at the 3 point line where they are not rebounding, & protecting the rim. I dont need my center scoring 25 points a game, while allowing apposing centers to score at will.

Boogie might not make that much now but he will ask for the max when his contract is up. & that max will be higher then Whitesides .

Another thing those who do not like Pat & the HEAT franchise can easily find another franchise to like. Or follow their man crush player to another team.

Ive been a fan since 88, & every player i have liked has retired already & im still a fan of my HEAT franchise & always will be.

May Pat Riley live for ever.

Big men that can play non-tradional big man roles are as important in todays game as ever. The way big men were defended in the post in the 90s isn't the same as nowadays. Not to mention there are defensive rule changes today that allow big men to be even less effective in the post.

The ADs and Boogies of the world are actually ideal in todays game.

AD plays the defense i look for, Boogie does not.

[leoshes]

I Like my centers to rebound & protect the rim. I do not want my centers out at the 3 point line where they are not rebounding, & protecting the rim. I dont need my center scoring 25 points a game, while allowing apposing centers to score at will.

Boogie might not make that much now but he will ask for the max when his contract is up. & that max will be higher then Whitesides .

Another thing those who do not like Pat & the HEAT franchise can easily find another franchise to like. Or follow their man crush player to another team.

Ive been a fan since 88, & every player i have liked has retired already & im still a fan of my HEAT franchise & always will be.

May Pat Riley live for ever.

Big men that can play non-tradional big man roles are as important in todays game as ever. The way big men were defended in the post in the 90s isn't the same as nowadays. Not to mention there are defensive rule changes today that allow big men to be even less effective in the post.

The ADs and Boogies of the world are actually ideal in todays game.

Its all about choice of styles, & i prefer to have my centers to be defensive minded, over offensive minded. Unless you can have both like with Kareem, Ewing, & Zo.

[Shewasfly]

I Like my centers to rebound & protect the rim. I do not want my centers out at the 3 point line where they are not rebounding, & protecting the rim. I dont need my center scoring 25 points a game, while allowing apposing centers to score at will.

Boogie might not make that much now but he will ask for the max when his contract is up. & that max will be higher then Whitesides .

Another thing those who do not like Pat & the HEAT franchise can easily find another franchise to like. Or follow their man crush player to another team.

Ive been a fan since 88, & every player i have liked has retired already & im still a fan of my HEAT franchise & always will be.

May Pat Riley live for ever.

Thank goodness you can dislike Pat Riley's moves and even Riley himself and still be a fan of the HEAT franchise. You'll find that many Heat fans outside of Realgm, which is basically a Riley fan site, do so every single day. Fortunately having a man crush on people in your team's front office is not a requirement of Heat fandom.

When Pat Riley retires, may you go on to support him in whatever retirement activities he chooses because he's certainly not going to be in the front office for much longer, let alone live for ever.

[Shewasfly]

Anyway, I will be very surprised if a trade for Cousins happens. Even though he is obviously the better player compared to Whiteside he's not really a Heat type of player because of his lack of care about the defensive end. I think we are going all in for Westbrook, and that's why we have so many guards. Because the plan is that some of them won't be around for long.

[BoshtimusPrime]

Any roster space for Glen Rice Jr? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ZoStrong]

Spoiler:

I Like my centers to rebound & protect the rim. I do not want my centers out at the 3 point line where they are not rebounding, & protecting the rim. I dont need my center scoring 25 points a game, while allowing apposing centers to score at will.

Boogie might not make that much now but he will ask for the max when his contract is up. & that max will be higher then Whitesides .

Another thing those who do not like Pat & the HEAT franchise can easily find another franchise to like. Or follow their man crush player to another team.

Ive been a fan since 88, & every player i have liked has retired already & im still a fan of my HEAT franchise & always will be.

May Pat Riley live for ever.

Thank goodness you can dislike Pat Riley's moves and even Riley himself and still be a fan of the HEAT franchise. You'll find that many Heat fans outside of Realgm, which is basically a Riley fan site, do so every single day. Fortunately having a man crush on people in your team's front office is not a requirement of Heat fandom.

When Pat Riley retires, may you go on to support him in whatever retirement activities he chooses because he's certainly not going to be in the front office for much longer, let alone live for ever.

What??

I wasn't aware the contract he signed with the Devil has an opt-out clause.

[Shewasfly]

Spoiler:

I Like my centers to rebound & protect the rim. I do not want my centers out at the 3 point line where they are not rebounding, & protecting the rim. I dont need my center scoring 25 points a game, while allowing apposing centers to score at will.

Boogie might not make that much now but he will ask for the max when his contract is up. & that max will be higher then Whitesides .

Another thing those who do not like Pat & the HEAT franchise can easily find another franchise to like. Or follow their man crush player to another team.

Ive been a fan since 88, & every player i have liked has retired already & im still a fan of my HEAT franchise & always will be.

May Pat Riley live for ever.

Thank goodness you can dislike Pat Riley's moves and even Riley himself and still be a fan of the HEAT franchise. You'll find that many Heat fans outside of Realgm, which is basically a Riley fan site, do so every single day. Fortunately having a man crush on people in your team's front office is not a requirement of Heat fandom.

When Pat Riley retires, may you go on to support him in whatever retirement activities he chooses because he's certainly not going to be in the front office for much longer, let alone live for ever.

What??

I wasn't aware the contract he signed with the Devil has an opt-out clause.

Hopefully he can renegotiate it and get an extension before free agency

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We're young and that always help things, even if we struggle the future will only get brighter.

That's a nice thought, but that's not how things usually work. Most of the time, if you're waiting for young players to develop, you end up waiting a really long time. There's a fair chance that none of our young guys ever develops beyond the quality bench/marginal starter level.

I think our fans are drunk on Whiteside, and have fooled themselves into believing that due to our luck with Hassan, every 2nd round pick, undrafted free agent, D-Leaguer, and NBA reject we pick up, is magically going to defy the odds and become an all-star. The reality is that you're lucky if one or two of them turn into Udonis Haslem.

[contract]

Bosh or Whiteside in place of Boogie would get that Kings team 33 w's or >.

... nope and nope.

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...

Spoiler:

P.S. That's the star of David,a well known Jewish symbol but I'm pretty sure you guys know that on your own. I wrote this part just so Iggie could understand the joke.

That kind of humor has the potential to get unfunny real fast.

[RexBoyWonder]

We're young and that always help things, even if we struggle the future will only get brighter.

That's a nice thought, but that's not how things usually work. Most of the time, if you're waiting for young players to develop, you end up waiting a really long time. There's a fair chance that none of our young guys ever develops beyond the quality bench/marginal starter level.

I think our fans are drunk on Whiteside, and have fooled themselves into believing that due to our luck with Hassan, every 2nd round pick, undrafted free agent, D-Leaguer, and NBA reject we pick up, is magically going to defy the odds and become an all-star. The reality is that you're lucky if one or two of them turn into Udonis Haslem.

I'm pretty realistic with my expectations from our young guys, and it's not like they're totally unproven. People got excited based on what they saw, it's not just hot air.

Furthermore when I'm saying the future will only get brighter it's not necessarily because I think we'll end with with 4 young all-star (although I think Whiteside is very likely to be one and Rich and Justise has a fair shot, while TJ can be a good starter) - it's also because we'll have a lot of cap space, a winning organization, and we're still a desired destination. If we can add a high upside draft pick this year, that's a very good starting point.

[Hallstar]

We're young and that always help things, even if we struggle the future will only get brighter.

That's a nice thought, but that's not how things usually work. Most of the time, if you're waiting for young players to develop, you end up waiting a really long time. There's a fair chance that none of our young guys ever develops beyond the quality bench/marginal starter level.

I think our fans are drunk on Whiteside, and have fooled themselves into believing that due to our luck with Hassan, every 2nd round pick, undrafted free agent, D-Leaguer, and NBA reject we pick up, is magically going to defy the odds and become an all-star. The reality is that you're lucky if one or two of them turn into Udonis Haslem.

I'm pretty realistic with my expectations from our young guys, and it's not like they're totally unproven. People got excited based on what they saw, it's not just hot air.

Furthermore when I'm saying the future will only get brighter it's not necessarily because I think we'll end with with 4 young all-star (although I think Whiteside is very likely to be one and Rich and Justise has a fair shot, while TJ can be a good starter) - it's also because we'll have a lot of cap space, a winning organization, and we're still a desired destination. If we can add a high upside draft pick this year, that's a very good starting point.

A good portion of what we saw also came because he who will not be mentioned was drawing most of the defensive attention

[Sgt P]

HeWhoShallNotBeMentioned#3...... ha... man you guys know how get those last droplets.....

[contract]

Spoiler:

That's a nice thought, but that's not how things usually work. Most of the time, if you're waiting for young players to develop, you end up waiting a really long time. There's a fair chance that none of our young guys ever develops beyond the quality bench/marginal starter level.

I think our fans are drunk on Whiteside, and have fooled themselves into believing that due to our luck with Hassan, every 2nd round pick, undrafted free agent, D-Leaguer, and NBA reject we pick up, is magically going to defy the odds and become an all-star. The reality is that you're lucky if one or two of them turn into Udonis Haslem.

I'm pretty realistic with my expectations from our young guys, and it's not like they're totally unproven. People got excited based on what they saw, it's not just hot air.

Furthermore when I'm saying the future will only get brighter it's not necessarily because I think we'll end with with 4 young all-star (although I think Whiteside is very likely to be one and Rich and Justise has a fair shot, while TJ can be a good starter) - it's also because we'll have a lot of cap space, a winning organization, and we're still a desired destination. If we can add a high upside draft pick this year, that's a very good starting point.

A good portion of what we saw also came because he who will not be mentioned was drawing most of the defensive attention

I wouldn't go that far, but circumstances have changed. We'll have to see how it all plays out.