Dunk City in Orlando?

[KingRobb02]

I won't get into the Blake thing, but Ibaka missed 18 games that season, Russ missed 15 and they still won 45 games. You make it sound worse than it was.

Ibaka missed games at the end of the season when they were pretty much giving up any way, and then they went on to immediately win 6 out of 7 and get back into the playoff picture without him. With Ibaka they were 35-29 which equates to a 45 win team. That's a far cry from Ibaka+CP+Deandre is a Finals team.

At the beginning of the season though a lot of those games they were playing with no Westbrook or Durant. Obviously Blake is a better overall player than Ibaka, but you seem to be understating Ibaka's worth as a player just to make a point. I mean... I think it's pretty clear that had Ibaka and Westbrook played closer to 82 games they would have made the playoffs even in the tough West. They almost did with 45 wins which is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm not understating ibaka at all. Just saying he isn't the same people here think he is. If 68 games of Anthony Davis can get the Pelicans into the playoff that same year and we assume Davis and 67 games of Russ Westbrook are of roughly equal value, either the Pelicans have a better coach (they didn't), an easier schedule (nope), or just that Davis had a better supporting cast (probably). That tells me something about Ibaka if he+Adams+ Reggie/Kanter can't outplay Eric Gordon+ Quincy Poindexter+hobbled tyreke

[MagicStarwipe]

Ibaka missed games at the end of the season when they were pretty much giving up any way, and then they went on to immediately win 6 out of 7 and get back into the playoff picture without him. With Ibaka they were 35-29 which equates to a 45 win team. That's a far cry from Ibaka+CP+Deandre is a Finals team.

At the beginning of the season though a lot of those games they were playing with no Westbrook or Durant. Obviously Blake is a better overall player than Ibaka, but you seem to be understating Ibaka's worth as a player just to make a point. I mean... I think it's pretty clear that had Ibaka and Westbrook played closer to 82 games they would have made the playoffs even in the tough West. They almost did with 45 wins which is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm not understating ibaka at all. Just saying he isn't the same people here think he is. If 68 games of Anthony Davis can get the Pelicans into the playoff that same year and we assume Davis and 67 games of Russ Westbrook are of roughly equal value, either the Pelicans have a better coach (they didn't), an easier schedule (nope), or just that Davis had a better supporting cast (probably). That tells me something about Ibaka if he+Adams+ Reggie/Kanter can't outplay Eric Gordon+ Quincy Poindexter+hobbled tyreke

Both teams won 45 games. And these things don't happen in a vacuum. Different teams, different circumstances.

[KingRobb02]

At the beginning of the season though a lot of those games they were playing with no Westbrook or Durant. Obviously Blake is a better overall player than Ibaka, but you seem to be understating Ibaka's worth as a player just to make a point. I mean... I think it's pretty clear that had Ibaka and Westbrook played closer to 82 games they would have made the playoffs even in the tough West. They almost did with 45 wins which is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm not understating ibaka at all. Just saying he isn't the same people here think he is. If 68 games of Anthony Davis can get the Pelicans into the playoff that same year and we assume Davis and 67 games of Russ Westbrook are of roughly equal value, either the Pelicans have a better coach (they didn't), an easier schedule (nope), or just that Davis had a better supporting cast (probably). That tells me something about Ibaka if he+Adams+ Reggie/Kanter can't outplay Eric Gordon+ Quincy Poindexter+hobbled tyreke

Both teams won 45 games. And these things don't happen in a vacuum. Different teams, different circumstances.

You're missing the point that ibaka didn't move the needle much when playing with actual superstar talent. Saying he is better than Blake Griffin in any circumstance is kind of crazy.

[T-Cat]

I'm not understating ibaka at all. Just saying he isn't the same people here think he is. If 68 games of Anthony Davis can get the Pelicans into the playoff that same year and we assume Davis and 67 games of Russ Westbrook are of roughly equal value, either the Pelicans have a better coach (they didn't), an easier schedule (nope), or just that Davis had a better supporting cast (probably). That tells me something about Ibaka if he+Adams+ Reggie/Kanter can't outplay Eric Gordon+ Quincy Poindexter+hobbled tyreke

Both teams won 45 games. And these things don't happen in a vacuum. Different teams, different circumstances.

You're missing the point that ibaka didn't move the needle much when playing with actual superstar talent. Saying he is better than Blake Griffin in any circumstance is kind of crazy.

I just think that if Serge so happens to leave Orlando, Rob would really consider Blake Griffin especially if AG explodes into the player we all hope to see!

We have options this summer!

[KingRobb02]

Both teams won 45 games. And these things don't happen in a vacuum. Different teams, different circumstances.

You're missing the point that ibaka didn't move the needle much when playing with actual superstar talent. Saying he is better than Blake Griffin in any circumstance is kind of crazy.

I just think that if Serge so happens to leave Orlando, Rob would really consider Blake Griffin especially if AG explodes into the player we all hope to see!

We have options this summer!

And I think that if Blake is willing to sign in Orlando, we would be more than happy to let Serge walk.

[basketballRob]

You're missing the point that ibaka didn't move the needle much when playing with actual superstar talent. Saying he is better than Blake Griffin in any circumstance is kind of crazy.

I just think that if Serge so happens to leave Orlando, Rob would really consider Blake Griffin especially if AG explodes into the player we all hope to see!

We have options this summer!

And I think that if Blake is willing to sign in Orlando, we would be more than happy to let Serge walk.

I doubt that. The Clippers were shopping him around trying to get some of our young talent last year after he punched that guy, but it didn't happen.

I think their is zero chance he ever plays in Orlando. No defense, punched an employee, not a winner.

Not Hennigan's type of player and definitely not Vogel's.

[T-Cat]

I just think that if Serge so happens to leave Orlando, Rob would really consider Blake Griffin especially if AG explodes into the player we all hope to see!

We have options this summer!

And I think that if Blake is willing to sign in Orlando, we would be more than happy to let Serge walk.

I doubt that. The Clippers were shopping him around trying to get some of our young talent last year after he punched that guy, but it didn't happen.

I think their is zero chance he ever plays in Orlando. No defense, punched an employee, not a winner.

Not Hennigan's type of player and definitely not Vogel's.

Rob was trying to get him at the trade deadline this past year!

This is just a rumor:

http://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-trade-rumors-magics-offer-for-clippers-star-blake-griffin-denied/

In all seriousness Blake is worth the price of admission in next year's FA class!

[basketballRob]

And I think that if Blake is willing to sign in Orlando, we would be more than happy to let Serge walk.

I doubt that. The Clippers were shopping him around trying to get some of our young talent last year after he punched that guy, but it didn't happen.

I think their is zero chance he ever plays in Orlando. No defense, punched an employee, not a winner.

Not Hennigan's type of player and definitely not Vogel's.

Rob was trying to get him at the trade deadline this past year!

This is just a rumor:

http://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-trade-rumors-magics-offer-for-clippers-star-blake-griffin-denied/

In all seriousness Blake is worth the price of admission in next year's FA class!

I think it was the other way around. Griffin is very overrated and it would be nice to watch him dunk, but he won't win you any games.

I guess though if you were giving up Vuc it would be a lateral move.

[KingRobb02]

I doubt that. The Clippers were shopping him around trying to get some of our young talent last year after he punched that guy, but it didn't happen.

I think their is zero chance he ever plays in Orlando. No defense, punched an employee, not a winner.

Not Hennigan's type of player and definitely not Vogel's.

Rob was trying to get him at the trade deadline this past year!

This is just a rumor:

http://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-trade-rumors-magics-offer-for-clippers-star-blake-griffin-denied/

In all seriousness Blake is worth the price of admission in next year's FA class!

I think it was the other way around. Griffin is very overrated and it would be nice to watch him dunk, but he won't win you any games.

I guess though if you were giving up Vuc it would be a lateral move.

have you ever seen blake griffin play basketball?

[Orlwillbeback]

What the actual **** is going on here?

[basketballRob]

Rob was trying to get him at the trade deadline this past year!

This is just a rumor:

http://nesn.com/2016/02/nba-trade-rumors-magics-offer-for-clippers-star-blake-griffin-denied/

In all seriousness Blake is worth the price of admission in next year's FA class!

I think it was the other way around. Griffin is very overrated and it would be nice to watch him dunk, but he won't win you any games.

I guess though if you were giving up Vuc it would be a lateral move.

have you ever seen blake griffin play basketball?

I've watched him play but I just feel like his defense is not good enough at the 4. Time after time you see bad teams with poor defense at the 4.

I personally wouldn't trade Ibaka for him because at the end of the day I feel he has more substance to his game.

[KingRobb02]

I think it was the other way around. Griffin is very overrated and it would be nice to watch him dunk, but he won't win you any games.

I guess though if you were giving up Vuc it would be a lateral move.

have you ever seen blake griffin play basketball?

I've watched him play but I just feel like his defense is not good enough at the 4. Time after time you see bad teams with poor defense at the 4.

I personally wouldn't trade Ibaka for him because at the end of the day I feel he has more substance to his game.

And then you see teams like the Spurs, Grizzlies, Mavs, Cavs, and clippers consistently win 50 games. There is no correlation.

[nymets1]

Hopefully keeping Serge, I never thought of Blake Griffin as a defender, i think of him as an ok defender at best. His offense game seems limited to just dunks and alley opps.

[PennytoShaq]

Blake Griffin is a great player, but having him Gordon and Biz on the court just seems like it would be the worst spacing ever. I think the reason people like Ibaka is because he has decent range for a 4, and we need that really badly.

I really hope Gordon can shoot 3's in the mid 30's. It would make our team so much more flexible for these types of trades.

[KingRobb02]

Hopefully keeping Serge, I never thought of Blake Griffin as a defender, i think of him as an ok defender at best. His offense game seems limited to just dunks and alley opps.

He also has a great handle for a pf and he passes good enough to be a secondary creator. He is a great facilitator And scorer. It's hard to poke holes in his offensive game unless you absolutely need someone who knows down 3 pointers at a 40 percent clip.

[JF5]

I don't see why Blake would come over here...

But I'm more inclined to believe if he did Vucevic/Gordon/Ibaka would all be let go/traded...

[JF5]

Hopefully keeping Serge, I never thought of Blake Griffin as a defender, i think of him as an ok defender at best. His offense game seems limited to just dunks and alley opps.

Ibaka is just an okay player... He was playing with 2 top 5 players in Oklahoma city where his responsibilities were minimal and his strengths were maximized. His basketball IQ is below average, and his rim-protecting relies on positioning/funneling rather than instinct and is not as intimidating/impactful compared to a Dikembe, Dwight, or even a DeAndre (Who I feel is overrated defensively). He's only a spot up shooter/roller/cutter as he has no post game (They signed Kanter to a large contract and grabbed Waiters in hopes They'd be the 3rd and 4th options on the team).

Blake is a Star player who creates for himself and others while being one of a centerpieces of the offense. I don't think you watched him the last couple of years (Especially in the 2015 Playoffs where he was putting RIDICULOUS numbers: 25.7 PPG, 12.7 RPG, and 6.1 APG). His offensive game has expanded to him being one of the more dominate and complete offensive weapons in the league. The only problem with him IS his attitude/character which is pretty much questionable and his durability/declining athleticism.

All in all Ibaka's effect defensive impact does not equate to Griffin's offensive impact.

[T-Cat]

Hopefully keeping Serge, I never thought of Blake Griffin as a defender, i think of him as an ok defender at best. His offense game seems limited to just dunks and alley opps.

Ibaka is just an okay player... He was playing with 2 top 5 players in Oklahoma city where his responsibilities were minimal and his strengths were maximized. His basketball IQ is below average, and his rim-protecting relies on positioning/funneling rather than instinct and is not as intimidating/impactful compared to a Dikembe, Dwight, or even a DeAndre (Who I feel is overrated defensively). He's only a spot up shooter/roller/cutter as he has no post game (They signed Kanter to a large contract and grabbed Waiters in hopes They'd be the 3rd and 4th options on the team).

Blake is a Star player who creates for himself and others while being one of a centerpieces of the offense. I don't think you watched him the last couple of years (Especially in the 2015 Playoffs where he was putting RIDICULOUS numbers: 25.7 PPG, 12.7 RPG, and 6.1 APG). His offensive game has expanded to him being one of the more dominate and complete offensive weapons in the league. The only problem with him IS his attitude/character which is pretty much questionable and his durability/declining athleticism.

All in all Ibaka's effect defensive impact does not equate to Griffin's offensive impact.

Griffin can improve on defense as well! I do agree his durability this upcoming season is a big key and a lot of people aren't too concerned with his character/attitude based off this past season isolated incident with his trainer (who no longer works there).

Barring injury, Griffin is a top FA come next year!

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[BadMofoPimp]

I would take Ibaka over Blake any day. I don't like risking large contracts on players with injury histories where they miss many games every season. Plus, with all the injuries he has had, I doubt he will improve on defense.