Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

[Bishop45]

Josh Jackson
Harry Giles
Dennis Smith
Jonathan Isaac
Markelle Fultz

A Waiters-Ellington backcourt has a lot of potential.

Oh, alright I wasn't sure why you were angry about it, still not sure tbh. For slight clarification, earlier was just a slight rant about us not having scorers being a bad thing or just the lack of faith in the current guys being/becoming concerning. You really don't think Tyler is a starting guard, especially in this context? Or he shouldn't be the starting guard because he isn't or shouldn't be ready and we should be tanking? If I didn't make those questions too complicated

My approach to the season would have been very different, but we are where we are, right? So let's make the best of it. We're going to have some great game threads.

I would not have signed Waiters or Ellington. I'm ho hum about James Johnson. Derrick Williams is probably best of the bunch, but Willie Reed may end up being one of the most important, especially if Whiteside goes down for any length of time. I mean, we have nobody else, right?

I do like TJ and think he can become an NBA guard, but I'm not sure he'll be a starting guard now. In fact, right now I prefer Richardson. Richardson/Winslow on the wings would be really good if Winslow can manage to be a consistent scorer.

Look. This year is going to be really awful and it's best to accept it going in. I'm going to cheer for our young players' development and hope they get minutes. I like that we brought back Reed.

I have no emotional investment in any of the other guys Riley hired. Waiters & Ellington are two of the worst players in the NBA. James Johnson is serviceable, but nothing special. Derrick Williams is a flawed player who has NBA talent, but needs to develop overnight essentially into a lock down defensive player to get onto court.

This is a terrible, terrible off season, but I'm in for the longer haul. I'm a Heat fan and see our future as more brilliant than our past, but that future isn't really any closer after the events of the offseason.

Alright, just different perspectives. I don't think we had a complete disaster of an offseason, I question the Waiters signing and the extent of it but I guess I can understand some of the thinking behind it as well as all the other 1-years. The Ellington and TJ signing's were borderline irresponsible but it looks like they were made to structure for potential trades, which IMO is a rational direction considering the complete index of this team. FA and the draft is risky business, especially when you have max players to cater to season-by-season, cheap expiree's and rookie contracts are the next best thing to have to attract better players(by trade) and we've got a decent group of them to either win with(probably minor playoff games) or trade. I'm not mad at it.

Misfortune and misdirection could bring us to the lotto but I think this group could win 40+ games and are being vastly underrated, while last year's team is whaling on some revisionist history.

[Prince Ali]

Gom still trying to force the kool aid on the masses

[Mars]

Watch on YouTube

[Dr_Heat]

August is here
About phucking time

[shanedude]

Why the **** is Dion Waiters on this roster.

[NBADraft2003]

Why the **** is Dion Waiters on this roster.

Get over it, we're in the D-Wait era now...

[heat4life]

WTF was Riley thinking when he signed Wayne Ellington? That's almost as bad as signing McRoberts. At least it's just a one year deal.

I believe Ellington benefited from the Heat's urgency to fill-out the remaining cap space (originally reserved for Wade) before matching TJ's deal with the Nets. If Harkless and Waiters weren't RFA at the time requiring longer deals than 1yr, I think Riley heads in a different direction, with more time to play with that money. I am not saying it was a great plan but he had to offer high dollars to those role players in order to get them to sign for 1yr and fast to match TJ's contract.

Just like in 2014, Riley was caught waiting for someone else to make a decision and had to scramble and overpay for mediocrity. At least we are not looking at a 4yr deal like McRoberts. These deals are pretty tradeable, after December 15.

[Sgt P]

New month... new thread... brand new OP..

Do it.....

[IggieCC]

[RexBoyWonder]

Satan has already responded, damage is done

[RexBoyWonder]

Q: I'm late to the conversation here, but I really do think this young lineup will exceed expectations this year. The Heat have needed a complete reboot since the end of the Big 3 era. -- Billy.

A: I agree Billy, which is why I've stressed (perhaps a bit too much) the need to make sure that Hassan Whiteside, Justise Winslow, Josh Richardson and Tyler Johnson (and perhaps some of the Heat's other young players) are on the court as often as possible. While an argument can be made that someone like Dion Waiters could help the Heat win more games, at what cost? If Waiters does turn it around, he almost assuredly will opt out and pursue the type of salary-cap space the Heat is hoping to amass for a leading man. Similarly, if Derrick Williams or James Johnson finally figure it out, they, too, will be looking to move on. But, as I often do, I'd put it back to the fans with this: Would the Miami Heat's fan base by accepting of a team that might forgo a few wins in the name of long-term development. When Dwyane Wade was on the roster, I've long said that it would not be fair to him to make him bide his time in light of his age. But he's not on the roster anymore.

Ira been reading my posts

[twix2500]

Oh, alright I wasn't sure why you were angry about it, still not sure tbh. For slight clarification, earlier was just a slight rant about us not having scorers being a bad thing or just the lack of faith in the current guys being/becoming concerning. You really don't think Tyler is a starting guard, especially in this context? Or he shouldn't be the starting guard because he isn't or shouldn't be ready and we should be tanking? If I didn't make those questions too complicated

My approach to the season would have been very different, but we are where we are, right? So let's make the best of it. We're going to have some great game threads.

I would not have signed Waiters or Ellington. I'm ho hum about James Johnson. Derrick Williams is probably best of the bunch, but Willie Reed may end up being one of the most important, especially if Whiteside goes down for any length of time. I mean, we have nobody else, right?

I do like TJ and think he can become an NBA guard, but I'm not sure he'll be a starting guard now. In fact, right now I prefer Richardson. Richardson/Winslow on the wings would be really good if Winslow can manage to be a consistent scorer.

Look. This year is going to be really awful and it's best to accept it going in. I'm going to cheer for our young players' development and hope they get minutes. I like that we brought back Reed.

I have no emotional investment in any of the other guys Riley hired. Waiters & Ellington are two of the worst players in the NBA. James Johnson is serviceable, but nothing special. Derrick Williams is a flawed player who has NBA talent, but needs to develop overnight essentially into a lock down defensive player to get onto court.

This is a terrible, terrible off season, but I'm in for the longer haul. I'm a Heat fan and see our future as more brilliant than our past, but that future isn't really any closer after the events of the offseason.

Alright, just different perspectives. I don't think we had a complete disaster of an offseason, I question the Waiters signing and the extent of it but I guess I can understand some of the thinking behind it as well as all the other 1-years. The Ellington and TJ signing's were borderline irresponsible but it looks like they were made to structure for potential trades, which IMO is a rational direction considering the complete index of this team. FA and the draft is risky business, especially when you have max players to cater to season-by-season, cheap expiree's and rookie contracts are the next best thing to have to attract better players(by trade) and we've got a decent group of them to either win with(probably minor playoff games) or trade. I'm not mad at it.

Misfortune and misdirection could bring us to the lotto but I think this group could win 40+ games and are being vastly underrated, while last year's team is whaling on some revisionist history.

40 plus games! Whew you have some extremely high expectations.

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[Bishop45]

My approach to the season would have been very different, but we are where we are, right? So let's make the best of it. We're going to have some great game threads.

I would not have signed Waiters or Ellington. I'm ho hum about James Johnson. Derrick Williams is probably best of the bunch, but Willie Reed may end up being one of the most important, especially if Whiteside goes down for any length of time. I mean, we have nobody else, right?

I do like TJ and think he can become an NBA guard, but I'm not sure he'll be a starting guard now. In fact, right now I prefer Richardson. Richardson/Winslow on the wings would be really good if Winslow can manage to be a consistent scorer.

Look. This year is going to be really awful and it's best to accept it going in. I'm going to cheer for our young players' development and hope they get minutes. I like that we brought back Reed.

I have no emotional investment in any of the other guys Riley hired. Waiters & Ellington are two of the worst players in the NBA. James Johnson is serviceable, but nothing special. Derrick Williams is a flawed player who has NBA talent, but needs to develop overnight essentially into a lock down defensive player to get onto court.

This is a terrible, terrible off season, but I'm in for the longer haul. I'm a Heat fan and see our future as more brilliant than our past, but that future isn't really any closer after the events of the offseason.

Alright, just different perspectives. I don't think we had a complete disaster of an offseason, I question the Waiters signing and the extent of it but I guess I can understand some of the thinking behind it as well as all the other 1-years. The Ellington and TJ signing's were borderline irresponsible but it looks like they were made to structure for potential trades, which IMO is a rational direction considering the complete index of this team. FA and the draft is risky business, especially when you have max players to cater to season-by-season, cheap expiree's and rookie contracts are the next best thing to have to attract better players(by trade) and we've got a decent group of them to either win with(probably minor playoff games) or trade. I'm not mad at it.

Misfortune and misdirection could bring us to the lotto but I think this group could win 40+ games and are being vastly underrated, while last year's team is whaling on some revisionist history.

40 plus games! Whew you have some extremely high expectations.

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I don't think so, those aren't my expectations, as I said things could go really wrong. Team we recently put out was ill-fitting and not vrry good and still won 48, I think 40 is more realistic than the "_Lucky to hit 30_" projections. More chemistry and direction compared to last year's group as well, and by chemistry I mean pairings that work and not just by time, Bosh-Wade were together for 4 years and were statistically our worst duo last season. Wade-Dragic also never worked
and we were pegged for 45-40 W's and a net scoring under 100 a game if Bosh doesn't go down and Luol stays at the 3. More chemistry/direction and less friction over the first half could smooth over to 40, still have NBA players on the roster.

[Bishop45]

Wizards and Bulls were terrible last year and both still won 40 games. I still think we're at or ahead of that curve

[Mos_Heat]

Wizards and Bulls were terrible last year and both still won 40 games. I still think we're at or ahead of that curve

Cuz Philly won only 10 games. They are a real NBA team now.

[Bishop45]

Wizards and Bulls were terrible last year and both still won 40 games. I still think we're at or ahead of that curve

Cuz Philly won only 10 games. They are a real NBA team now.

But were not worse off than those teams

[Bishop45]

.Beno comebyke, Chalms get inn, Babbit get a haircut

[Mos_Heat]

Wizards and Bulls were terrible last year and both still won 40 games. I still think we're at or ahead of that curve

Cuz Philly won only 10 games. They are a real NBA team now.

But were not worse off than those teams

true

[Dr_Heat]

Satan has already responded, damage is done

Triple

[IggieCC]

Com on now, y'all know I didn't mean Jew... I wouldn't even know

C'mon now