Welcome Okafor: Thread 2

[Unbreakable99]

There are very few 7 footers anyway. People call Dwight Howard a 7 footer and he's 6'9. The reality is that many so called 7 footers are really 6'9 or 6'10. Okafor is the norm for the height of centers.

[spikeslovechild]

That's why ceilings don't really mean much to me. It's a way to boost up a players perceived value while having built in caveats.

I'd rather hear what he can realistically become than a bloated, absolute best case scenario. Especially for a guy who has been sitting out for two seasons.

What player is Okafor's ceiling and what player is closest to his most likely outcome?

I think his ceiling is Karl Malone. Personally I see the most likely outcome as him reaching his ceiling

He grinds and puts the work in. The improvement we saw over just the course of 52 games was astounding.

[Duke4life831]

That's why ceilings don't really mean much to me. It's a way to boost up a players perceived value while having built in caveats.

I'd rather hear what he can realistically become than a bloated, absolute best case scenario. Especially for a guy who has been sitting out for two seasons.

What player is Okafor's ceiling and what player is closest to his most likely outcome?

For me, I would say that Okafor's ceiling is someone who can score like Melo, but defend like Aldridge, Marc Gasol, or Zach Randolph.

His worst case scenario is Monroe, and his most likely scenario is half way between Monroe and the player I described in his ceiling.


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Im as big of an Okafor as anyone but you just described a top 3 player in the NBA and arguably the best in the NBA after Lebron is done in his prime. Melo is one of the best pure scorers we have seen in a long time. You then add DPOY ability on the defensive side, thats one of the best players in the game. I think Okafor can easily put up 25+ a game. The big question can he become an average defender and rebounder. Or at least have the team be a better rebounding team when he is out there compared to when hes not.

[LloydFree]

That's why ceilings don't really mean much to me. It's a way to boost up a players perceived value while having built in caveats.

I'd rather hear what he can realistically become than a bloated, absolute best case scenario. Especially for a guy who has been sitting out for two seasons.

What player is Okafor's ceiling and what player is closest to his most likely outcome?

I think his ceiling is Karl Malone. Personally I see the most likely outcome as him reaching his ceiling

He grinds and puts the work in. The improvement we saw over just the course of 52 games was astounding.

Okafor plays nothing like Karl Malone and isn't that kind of athlete. Isn't as strong and isn't nearly as quick.

[lotto29]

That's why ceilings don't really mean much to me. It's a way to boost up a players perceived value while having built in caveats.

I'd rather hear what he can realistically become than a bloated, absolute best case scenario. Especially for a guy who has been sitting out for two seasons.

What player is Okafor's ceiling and what player is closest to his most likely outcome?

I think his ceiling is Karl Malone. Personally I see the most likely outcome as him reaching his ceiling

He grinds and puts the work in. The improvement we saw over just the course of 52 games was astounding.

[Ericb5]

What player is Okafor's ceiling and what player is closest to his most likely outcome?

For me, I would say that Okafor's ceiling is someone who can score like Melo, but defend like Aldridge, Marc Gasol, or Zach Randolph.

His worst case scenario is Monroe, and his most likely scenario is half way between Monroe and the player I described in his ceiling.


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Im as big of an Okafor as anyone but you just described a top 3 player in the NBA and arguably the best in the NBA after Lebron is done in his prime. Melo is one of the best pure scorers we have seen in a long time. You then add DPOY ability on the defensive side, thats one of the best players in the game. I think Okafor can easily put up 25+ a game. The big question can he become an average defender and rebounder. Or at least have the team be a better rebounding team when he is out there compared to when hes not.

Maybe the Gasol defense is a stretch due to his apptitude for it, but physically there is no reason that he can't do it.

What I intended to get to is a ceiling of elite offense, and average defense. Gasol is better than that so strike him from the list.

[Duke4life831]

For me, I would say that Okafor's ceiling is someone who can score like Melo, but defend like Aldridge, Marc Gasol, or Zach Randolph.

His worst case scenario is Monroe, and his most likely scenario is half way between Monroe and the player I described in his ceiling.


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Im as big of an Okafor as anyone but you just described a top 3 player in the NBA and arguably the best in the NBA after Lebron is done in his prime. Melo is one of the best pure scorers we have seen in a long time. You then add DPOY ability on the defensive side, thats one of the best players in the game. I think Okafor can easily put up 25+ a game. The big question can he become an average defender and rebounder. Or at least have the team be a better rebounding team when he is out there compared to when hes not.

Maybe the Gasol defense is a stretch due to his apptitude for it, but physically there is no reason that he can't do it.

What I intended to get to is a ceiling of elite offense, and average defense. Gasol is better than that so strike him from the list.

Gasol even at the age of 24 was scouted as being a terrible defender with no upside on that side. He proved people wrong and became a really good defender. Does Okafor have the tools to do that, ya. Do I expect that no I dont. Right now Okafor is a good man defender but awful with team and rotation defense. He needs to just become an average defender and he will be more than fine. I dont think he will ever put up big rebounding numbers but I do think teams can be a better rebounding team with him on the court than with him off. He seems to be pretty good at boxing out and using his size to make sure his guy doesnt get the boards, he just doesnt go after the boards himself. Im curious what the rebounding numbers were for you guys as a team with him on and off. But ya if he becomes Gasol on defense youre looking at a top 3 player. Dont see that happening. But can definitely be an elite offensive player and average defender

[spikeslovechild]

What player is Okafor's ceiling and what player is closest to his most likely outcome?

I think his ceiling is Karl Malone. Personally I see the most likely outcome as him reaching his ceiling

He grinds and puts the work in. The improvement we saw over just the course of 52 games was astounding.

Okafor plays nothing like Karl Malone and isn't that kind of athlete. Isn't as strong and isn't nearly as quick.

I highly doubt you even watched Malone play I have. Btw, I just googled the comparison to see who else made the comparison and guess what? Our own Brett Brown made the same comparison

[Ericb5]

Im as big of an Okafor as anyone but you just described a top 3 player in the NBA and arguably the best in the NBA after Lebron is done in his prime. Melo is one of the best pure scorers we have seen in a long time. You then add DPOY ability on the defensive side, thats one of the best players in the game. I think Okafor can easily put up 25+ a game. The big question can he become an average defender and rebounder. Or at least have the team be a better rebounding team when he is out there compared to when hes not.

Maybe the Gasol defense is a stretch due to his apptitude for it, but physically there is no reason that he can't do it.

What I intended to get to is a ceiling of elite offense, and average defense. Gasol is better than that so strike him from the list.

Gasol even at the age of 24 was scouted as being a terrible defender with no upside on that side. He proved people wrong and became a really good defender. Does Okafor have the tools to do that, ya. Do I expect that no I dont. Right now Okafor is a good man defender but awful with team and rotation defense. He needs to just become an average defender and he will be more than fine. I dont think he will ever put up big rebounding numbers but I do think teams can be a better rebounding team with him on the court than with him off. He seems to be pretty good at boxing out and using his size to make sure his guy doesnt get the boards, he just doesnt go after the boards himself. Im curious what the rebounding numbers were for you guys as a team with him on and off. But ya if he becomes Gasol on defense youre looking at a top 3 player. Dont see that happening. But can definitely be an elite offensive player and average defender

Let's just say that he becomes Aldridge on defense, then he should be better than Aldridge since he is a superior offensive talent.

If Okafor continues to improve at the rate that he did last year, for the next couple years, he could get to an all star level.

[LloydFree]

I think his ceiling is Karl Malone. Personally I see the most likely outcome as him reaching his ceiling

He grinds and puts the work in. The improvement we saw over just the course of 52 games was astounding.

Okafor plays nothing like Karl Malone and isn't that kind of athlete. Isn't as strong and isn't nearly as quick.

I highly doubt you even watched Malone play I have. Btw, I just googled the comparison to see who else made the comparison and guess what? Our own Brett Brown made the same comparison

Interesting. If that's the case, I'm surprised they put the next Karl Malone on the trading block. I'm even more surprised there weren't many teams lined up to get the next Karl Malone.

[mksp]

Yeah I'm amazed that nobody would give up at top-5 pick in a weak draft for a player destined to be a combination of Marc Gasol, Karl Malone, and LaMarcus Aldridge.

Jokes on them I guess.

[spikeslovechild]

Okafor plays nothing like Karl Malone and isn't that kind of athlete. Isn't as strong and isn't nearly as quick.

I highly doubt you even watched Malone play I have. Btw, I just googled the comparison to see who else made the comparison and guess what? Our own Brett Brown made the same comparison

Interesting. If that's the case, I'm surprised they put the next Karl Malone on the trading block. I'm even more surprised there weren't many teams lined up to get the next Karl Malone.

I'm not sure if he ever was even on the block. All the reports are conflicting one week Noel is untouchable, another week we are moving him for the third overall pick plus Roco and some late firsts, then we are overvaluaing him and Ford has him valued at a late first.

Okafor is even worse when Hinkie was GM we supposedly turned down the BKN pick wanting more. Then according to Ford he's not worth the top ten selection.

Whatever. Following these reports is a fools errand and if you can find where the truth starts and the lies end you should quit your job and work for ESPN.

I will say it wouldn't surprise me if BC did shop Okafor. I think it's a mistake Brett Brown who made the comparison isn't GM and BC is a guy who selected Bargs over LMA and Ross over Drummond. Tried to trade Lowry and acquire the corpse of Steve Nash.

[marcush]

Somewhere between Eddy Curry and Brook Lopez

[lotto29]

This last pages are hilarious! Okafor is now Karl Malone! Or Aldridge! dear god, the absurdity...

[spikeslovechild]

“The misperception that we all had was that he was pretty much a low-post, back-to-the-basket player,” Sixers coach Brett Brown said. “That’s not him exclusively at all. At times, I see an excellent balance to his game.

“At times, I see Carlos Boozer. At times, I see [Hall of Famer] Karl Malone. "

[spikeslovechild]

This last pages are hilarious! Okafor is now Karl Malone! Or Aldridge! dear god, the absurdity...

The absurd is those who are clouded by hate against someone who put up the kind of numbers Okafor did last year and improved in every area of his game as the season went along.

For christ sakes he put up 17.1 PER and averaged 18 PPG as a 19 year old. Malone who you consider an absurd comparison put up a 13.7 PER and 15 PPG entering the league at age 22. Sometimes I think you people forget that Okafor is going to get better. You guys act like how he played at age 19 is how he is going to be playing in 2-3 years...

Talk about absurd.

[LloydFree]

Somewhere between Eddy Curry and Brook Lopez

Exactly. It is scary, how much Okafor plays and moves like young Eddie Curry.

[LloydFree]

“The misperception that we all had was that he was pretty much a low-post, back-to-the-basket player,” Sixers coach Brett Brown said. “That’s not him exclusively at all. At times, I see an excellent balance to his game.

“At times, I see Carlos Boozer. At times, I see [Hall of Famer] Karl Malone. "

Carlos Boozer. I can see that.

[LloydFree]

Yeah I'm amazed that nobody would give up at top-5 pick in a weak draft for a player destined to be a combination of Marc Gasol, Karl Malone, and LaMarcus Aldridge.

Jokes on them I guess.

You forgot he's part Carmelo Anthony too.

[cksdayoff]

karl malone had a 15 footer. but then again, karl malone had one of the best point guards in the game giving him those easy looks too.

the karl malone comparison is interesting. malone was built like a truck, and was a pretty good athlete.

boozer also had deron williams in utah. that's why it's kinda silly to want okafor to get shipped out after 1 year with the sixers. i want to see what happens when he and simmons are on the floor together