The 2016 Offseason Thread

[Frank Lee]

We think, with our top four or five guards, they will be interchangeable. They’ll be able to play either spot. We have at least four, maybe five guys now, who can get in the paint, break down defenses and kick to open shooters.

Hey great idea McMully.... 5 guys to share 96 minutes. Looks like its going to be a chucker oriented offense. Yeeehaw

[darealjuice]

We think, with our top four or five guards, they will be interchangeable. They’ll be able to play either spot. We have at least four, maybe five guys now, who can get in the paint, break down defenses and kick to open shooters.

Hey great idea McMully.... 5 guys to share 96 minutes. Looks like its going to be a chucker oriented offense. Yeeehaw

You have this uncanny ability of spewing complete garbage onto your keyboard every time you post. Nothing is good enough for our resident pessimist Frank, he can find the darkness in any bright spot and make it the only thing he focuses on.

[OGBAH]

We're getting Boogie in '18

[LukasBMW]

When does training camp start?

Late September?

No more draft, no more free agents, no more summer league????

Do we really have to get through an entire month of August with nothing to talk about?

[bwgood77]

When does training camp start?

Late September?

No more draft, no more free agents, no more summer league????

Do we really have to get through an entire month of August with nothing to talk about?

More like two months until the there is too much to talk about and three until there is real relevant stuff. Of course all the fantasy leagues will probably dominate the forum in October, and some will want to even start earlier than that.

[lilfishi22]

When does training camp start?

Late September?

No more draft, no more free agents, no more summer league????

Do we really have to get through an entire month of August with nothing to talk about?

UFC 202: McGregor v Diaz

[LukasBMW]

We're getting Boogie in '18

I'm totally on the fence about Boogie.

On one hand, he competes, plays hard, seems to want to win, and has the potential to be the best player in the NBA. He can play the 4 or 5, he can bang inside, and he can hit outside shots.

On the other hand, he always gets in trouble, always seems to throw fits, isn't much of a leader, and reminds me of Derrick Coleman in the attitude department.

I think it's reasonable to assume Sacramento could be a bottom 5 team this year and Boogie may want out at the deadline.

Do we take a chance and try to trade for him and hope he will mature and his buddy Bledsoe and pastor Watson can keep him in line?

I'm torn.

[OGBAH]

Boogie likes Booker and has the history with bled that's all we need. He doesn't have to be a leader here. Winning should take the knuckle head out of him long term imho.

Idk I have hopes for Len but don't want to give him mozgoz money rather save it for DMC if possible

[OGBAH]

Torn on DMC? 26 and 11 says I'm not

[MrMiyagi]

ALL ABOUT KENTUCKY WEST, Y'ALL!

[Zelaznyrules]

It's all about the acquisition cost. If Cousins is priced like a top 3 player, I don't want him. If he's on the market as a top 20 player, yeah, he'd be a nice addition.

[Qwigglez]

If we can get Cousins without giving up Bledsoe/Booker/Bender then I'll be fine with it. Not saying I'd give up the rest of the team / assets for him though...

[Frank Lee]

Spoiler:

We think, with our top four or five guards, they will be interchangeable. They’ll be able to play either spot. We have at least four, maybe five guys now, who can get in the paint, break down defenses and kick to open shooters.

Hey great idea McMully.... 5 guys to share 96 minutes. Looks like its going to be a chucker oriented offense. Yeeehaw

You have this uncanny ability of spewing complete garbage onto your keyboard every time you post. Nothing is good enough for our resident pessimist Frank, he can find the darkness in any bright spot and make it the only thing he focuses on.

Thank you, thank you..... I guess Im just not one to turn my underwear inside out and call them clean
And yes, I'll wear the dark shades, till its sunny again.

not these

(notice the 'old man' style ?)

You are right tho, I do not buy into the optimism. McMully has a penchant for painting his doings with cherry koolaid.

Just to recap this roster....so we are clear. Lets see... does this look odd to anyone else?

PG..... Bledsoe, Ulis
kind of PGs, but really SGs.... Knight, Barbasoso, Goodwin(?)
SG....Booker, Jenkins
SG/SF, but not really either.... Tucker, Dudley
SF....Warren
PF...18 yr old rookie, 19 yr old rookie.... oh yeah... those two old chubby guys at SG/SF
C .... Chandler, Len, Williams(?)

I am very curious how these minutes will breakdown. Will Watson cast a 20-25 minute spell on everyone ? To me it looks like a jumbled 4G-1C mess that will end up being a jack-happy-offense. I really don't care, as I don't expect much, but Id like to see Bled, Booker, Warren and Len all get 35 minutes a night, at their true positions, and bring along the PFKids slowly. The rest can fill in the gaps.
I don't think that will happen but I think that is our core to focus on....

A trade is needed to balance this roster out. It is inevitable. Who knows, may be McMully has been a secret genius all along? Has he been lubing up for Boogie with all this KY jelly he has collected?

[MathiasPW]

Glad Knight backed down on his speech, although his logical connection between "my role will be the same" and "I'll do anything for us to won as a team" is faulty as hell, even comical

[MrMiyagi]

I really don't care, as I don't expect much, but Id like to see Bled, Booker, Warren and Len all get 35 minutes a night, at their true positions, and bring along the PFKids slowly. The rest can fill in the gaps.
I don't think that will happen but I think that is our core to focus on....

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on there Frank. Remember all the times you said we didn't have a core? I believe that was before last year's draft. Now you're listing 3 guys who were on the roster since before last off-season?! Slow your roll, Frank, or you might start saying some nice things by the time the season starts.

[bwgood77]

Boogie likes Booker and has the history with bled that's all we need. He doesn't have to be a leader here. Winning should take the knuckle head out of him long term imho.

Idk I have hopes for Len but don't want to give him mozgoz money rather save it for DMC if possible

Boogie is likely going to go to a team ready to compete if he goes anywhere. This "they went to college together 7 years ago" thing is overblown and a guy liking a player doesn't mean he wants to sign there. How often do you see one year college guys trying to play together? You have a couple of twins in the Morris twins who played 3 years in college, and Booker/Ulis who played one year together in college but were long time friends.

It would be more likely if two guys who won a couple of championships together like Horford and Noah, but I haven't seen that happen. By the time one year college teammates can make decisions to play together they have likely played 7-9 years in the league and played with the same new teammates for years. Then there is the fact we don't really have the assets to trade for him unless they want picks to rebuild, but they've been rebuilding with top 8 lotto picks for about 10 years already. Doubt they take that road.

[Frank Lee]

Touche Miyag..... but considering McMully didn't really do his annual dismantling, I am assuming he might be trying to establish some continuity this year. So... yes, a 'core' .... though I have my doubts things will evolve as I would like when it comes to minutes/playing time.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Hey great idea McMully.... 5 guys to share 96 minutes. Looks like its going to be a chucker oriented offense. Yeeehaw

You have this uncanny ability of spewing complete garbage onto your keyboard every time you post. Nothing is good enough for our resident pessimist Frank, he can find the darkness in any bright spot and make it the only thing he focuses on.

Thank you, thank you..... I guess Im just not one to turn my underwear inside out and call them clean
And yes, I'll wear the dark shades, till its sunny again.

not these

(notice the 'old man' style ?)

You are right tho, I do not buy into the optimism. McMully has a penchant for painting his doings with cherry koolaid.

Just to recap this roster....so we are clear. Lets see... does this look odd to anyone else?

PG..... Bledsoe, Ulis
kind of PGs, but really SGs.... Knight, Barbasoso, Goodwin(?)
SG....Booker, Jenkins
SG/SF, but not really either.... Tucker, Dudley
SF....Warren
PF...18 yr old rookie, 19 yr old rookie.... oh yeah... those two old chubby guys at SG/SF
C .... Chandler, Len, Williams(?)

I am very curious how these minutes will breakdown. Will Watson cast a 20-25 minute spell on everyone ? To me it looks like a jumbled 4G-1C mess that will end up being a jack-happy-offense. I really don't care, as I don't expect much, but Id like to see Bled, Booker, Warren and Len all get 35 minutes a night, at their true positions, and bring along the PFKids slowly. The rest can fill in the gaps.
I don't think that will happen but I think that is our core to focus on....

A trade is needed to balance this roster out. It is inevitable. Who knows, may be McMully has been a secret genius all along? Has he been lubing up for Boogie with all this KY jelly he has collected?

At first I thought those were rose colored glasses, then realized I haven't seen any orange roses, so realized they were Suns colored glasses, so I see why you would never wear them.

I think Bledsoe should get 30 minutes, Booker 30+, Warren 25+ once healthy, and who knows with Len, but likely depends on foul trouble and health. Knight probably gets close to 30 as well. I think those three get 85 minutes, or more if needed, with any other guards getting extremely minimal time.

Tucker and Warren probably each get 24 or so at SF, and if Tucker gets traded, that goes up for Warren gets 32 or so with Dudley getting a few and possibly a few three guard lineups, and then Dudley gets maybe 25 at PF, with Tucker and Warren getting 8 or so each, and the rooks the rest.

[MrMiyagi]

Touche Miyag..... but considering McMully didn't really do his annual dismantling, I am assuming he might be trying to establish some continuity this year. So... yes, a 'core' .... though I have my doubts things will evolve as I would like when it comes to minutes/playing time.

This is a list of players who can be said to have been rotation players (~20mpg) and draft picks. Bold are "McMully's" acquisitions, not including extensions.

Year 1 roster under "McMully":
Goran, PJ, Gerald Green, Frye, Plumlee, Markieff, Marcus, Bledsoe, Len, Archie

Year 2 roster under "McMully" going in:
Goran, PJ, Gerald Green, Plumlee, Markieff, Marcus, Bledsoe, Len, Archie, IT, TJ, Ennis

Year 2 roster under "McMully" by season's end:
PJ, Gerald Green, Markieff, Marcus, Bledsoe, Len, Archie, TJ, Knight, Brandon Wright

Year 3 roster under "McMully" going in:
PJ, Markieff, Bledsoe, Len, Archie, TJ, Knight, Chandler, Mirza, Booker, Leuer, Price

Year 3 under "McMully" by season's end:
PJ, Bledsoe, Len, Archie, TJ, Knight, Chandler, Mirza, Booker, Leuer, Price

Year 4 under "McMully" a projection:
PJ, Bledsoe, Len, Archie, TJ, Knight, Chandler, Booker, Dudley, Barbosa, Bender, Chriss, Ulis

Looks like "McMully" has been building his core - which is to be expected from a new GM. This roster is now completely full of his guys. No leftovers from the last regime other than PJ who was extended by "McMully", Dudley and Barbosa, who "McMully" also signed.

EDIT: Updated to reflect BW's correction re: Markieff's worse half.

[darealjuice]

I just don't want to see Tucker, Dudley, and Chandler in for over half the game very often. I get we want to win, but I'm more concerned about developing the guys we drafted and our young guys like Booker, Warren, and Len than I am cranking out an extra 3 or 4 wins next year playing all these vets for big minutes. In my ideal world our depth chart looks something like this at the start of the season:

PG: Bledsoe (32), Knight (28), Ulis (Garbage time/D League)
SG: Booker (26 @ SG), Barbosa (10), Jenkins (Garbage time), Goodwin (Garbage time/Benchwarmer)
SF: Warren (24 @ SF), Tucker (20), Booker (4 @ SF)
PF: Dudley (20), Bender (12 - 14), Chriss (12 - 14), Warren (4 @ PF)
C: Len (28), Chandler (20), Williams (Garbage time)

Keep all the old guys playing around 20 minutes a game and let the young guys get the majority of the burn, run a small ball lineup of Bledsoe/Knight/Booker/Warren/Len for a couple minutes a game if we need to crank up the scoring, and play the better of Bender and Chriss during that game for couple of extra minutes. If Bender/Chriss start playing at a high enough level where they can see the court more, Dudley will be fine hitting the bench like he did in Milwaukee. If Knight is healthy through the trade deadline, maybe we can swing him into a nice draft pick or package him with someone like PJ and bring in another SF. Our core of Bledsoe/Booker/Warren/Bender/Chriss/Len can stay in tact, and if they're really obsessed with Knight being here, and he shows he can move the ball and be a 6th man instead of a chucking turnover machine, then he can stay too because he's so young. The most important thing for us to not continue to be a bottom feeder and move into the playoffs is developing the young guys we have here, then hope that we become attractive enough for a star to come in and take us over the top.

Ideally we're still not very good this year, get a top 5 pick, and bring in a top tier prospect like Jayson Tatum, Josh Jackson, Dennis Smith Jr, Markelle Fultz, etc.