Political Roundtable Part X

[Doug_Blew]

No, actually it took the government + the lenders to create the fiasco. The government looked the other way because they were pushing the policy.

So in essence, the government should have been more involved.

[dckingsfan]

Good point... Government + Banks + Rating agencies all on the same page = housing bubble.

[dckingsfan]

Government + Banks + Universities and Colleges = huge debt load for students.

[popper]

Good point... Government + Banks + Rating agencies all on the same page = housing bubble.

Don't forget artificially low Federal Reserve interest rates.

[bgroban]

Disgraceful, but shouldn't come as a surprise:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/

[tontoz]

Disgraceful, but shouldn't come as a surprise:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/

Looks like Trump now has a "get out of jail free" card.

[dckingsfan]

Disgraceful, but shouldn't come as a surprise:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/

Looks like Trump now has a "get out of jail free" card.

Wow - 9 lives!

[I_Like_Dirt]

I don't mean to stir up controversy really. We go around telling people that to be successful you need to be Democratic and Capitalist (to be precise, the government must actively protect property rights). Nevertheless, there are some examples of dictatorships that implemented capitalism successfully. You don't necessarily need Democracy for capitalism to work. Capitalism and Democracy are two entirely different things.

I don't see any reason for anyone to get riled up about it. It is what it is.

I agree with you, fwiw. I just don't think you're going to ever get a situation where you take the emotional part out of the equation. There's always a connection somewhere.

[nate33]

Zonk, I think dictators are just politically charged, period. Heck, you only have to see the basket cases that often erupt after a dictator leaves power. Syria was a disaster. The problem is that democracy can work, but civil society needs to be strong and thriving and at a certain stage in its evolution so often it will fail when it's imposed on people who just aren't ready for it.

This is an accurate and significant truth, and it's implications must be examined in greater detail.

Societies are a reflection of the people composing the society. Societies that are not ready for democracy are full of people who are not ready for democracy. On average, they have too much crime, insufficient community trust, high corruption, and clannishness. If successful democracies keep importing people from cultures not ready for democracy, it logically follows that those immigrants will undermine the successful democracy there. This is what is happening in France and Belgium, and it is happening to New Mexico, Nevada, California, Arizona and Texas.


http://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/states/

This doesn't mean we should ban all immigration from Mexico and Central America. But it means we need to understand that we can't just blindly take anybody who wants to come. We need to institute measures to get only the best, brightest, and most educated among them - the type of people who would be least likely to undermine our democracy.

[dckingsfan]

Just take in more women that men, more college educated than not and we would be home free...

[nate33]

Disgraceful, but shouldn't come as a surprise:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/

Looks like Trump now has a "get out of jail free" card.

Wow - 9 lives!

Yup. Khan's law firm has deep ties to the Clinton Foundation, Saudi Arabia, and even Clinton's home brew email server.

[fishercob]

Trump won't endorse Ryan or McCain: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-refuses-to-endorse-paul-ryan-in-gop-primary-im-just-not-quite-there-yet/2016/08/02/1449f028-58e9-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

[Induveca]

Disgraceful, but shouldn't come as a surprise:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/

Looks like Trump now has a "get out of jail free" card.

Crazy. He really does have nine lives, Khan's a bigger hypocrite than Trump.

[montestewart]

Looks like Trump now has a "get out of jail free" card.

Wow - 9 lives!

Yup. Khan's law firm has deep ties to the Clinton Foundation, Saudi Arabia, and even Clinton's home brew email server.

Not that any of this discounts Khan's message, but it' like to see more on the "deep ties."

Can anyone tell me what the smoking gun is on his pulled down website? I looked at it and saw a single entry for immigration services as a component of full service international business law, among a wide ranging array of offered services that seem primarily focused on electronic discovery. Does anyone actually know that immigration services were a significant part of his practice? Many foreign born attorneys offer immigration law as part of their practice in part because they often have a higher percentage of foreign born clients and enjoy better rapport with them. The smoking gun in the article (and several others I saw online) seems to consist primarily of innuendo and self fulfilling conclusions.

So far, just partisan politics as usual. I guess Trump's sticking with his "attack the Khan's" strategy. Too bad they don't have a crying baby.

[nate33]

Trump won't endorse Ryan or McCain: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-refuses-to-endorse-paul-ryan-in-gop-primary-im-just-not-quite-there-yet/2016/08/02/1449f028-58e9-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

I'm not sure whether to



or



Ryan deserves it after the way he tried to undermine Trump before the convention. And if Paul Nehlen manages to unseat Ryan in his own district, it'll give Trump a much stronger hand if he ultimately wins the Presidency. Symbolically, it would represent the complete transformation of the Republican party from the Conservative party to the Nationalist party.

On the other hand, it does look poor for the GOP to be so divided.

[Zonkerbl]

Zonk, I think dictators are just politically charged, period. Heck, you only have to see the basket cases that often erupt after a dictator leaves power. Syria was a disaster. The problem is that democracy can work, but civil society needs to be strong and thriving and at a certain stage in its evolution so often it will fail when it's imposed on people who just aren't ready for it.

This is an accurate and significant truth, and it's implications must be examined in greater detail.

Societies are a reflection of the people composing the society. Societies that are not ready for democracy are full of people who are not ready for democracy. On average, they have too much crime, insufficient community trust, high corruption, and clannishness. If successful democracies keep importing people from cultures not ready for democracy, it logically follows that those immigrants will undermine the successful democracy there. This is what is happening in France and Belgium, and it is happening to New Mexico, Nevada, California, Arizona and Texas.


http://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/states/

This doesn't mean we should ban all immigration from Mexico and Central America. But it means we need to understand that we can't just blindly take anybody who wants to come. We need to institute measures to get only the best, brightest, and most educated among them - the type of people who would be least likely to undermine our democracy.

How do you reconcile your assertion that immigrants are a bunch of thieving murderous rapists with the statistical fact that immigrants don't commit crimes at a rate that is greater than the U.S. population in general?

[montestewart]

Disgraceful, but shouldn't come as a surprise:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-deletes-law-firm-website-proving-financially-benefits-pay-play-muslim-migration/

Looks like Trump now has a "get out of jail free" card.

Crazy. He really does have nine lives, Khan's a bigger hypocrite than Trump.

Seriously? How over the top can you get?

[nate33]

Zonk, I think dictators are just politically charged, period. Heck, you only have to see the basket cases that often erupt after a dictator leaves power. Syria was a disaster. The problem is that democracy can work, but civil society needs to be strong and thriving and at a certain stage in its evolution so often it will fail when it's imposed on people who just aren't ready for it.

This is an accurate and significant truth, and it's implications must be examined in greater detail.

Societies are a reflection of the people composing the society. Societies that are not ready for democracy are full of people who are not ready for democracy. On average, they have too much crime, insufficient community trust, high corruption, and clannishness. If successful democracies keep importing people from cultures not ready for democracy, it logically follows that those immigrants will undermine the successful democracy there. This is what is happening in France and Belgium, and it is happening to New Mexico, Nevada, California, Arizona and Texas.


http://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/states/

This doesn't mean we should ban all immigration from Mexico and Central America. But it means we need to understand that we can't just blindly take anybody who wants to come. We need to institute measures to get only the best, brightest, and most educated among them - the type of people who would be least likely to undermine our democracy.

How do you reconcile your assertion that immigrants are a bunch of thieving murderous rapists with the statistical fact that immigrants don't commit crimes at a rate that is greater than the U.S. population in general?

That's all immigrants - including the incredibly low-crime immigrants from India, China, Korea and Japan. If you look at just Central American immigrants, their crime rate is a bit higher than the general population (though not by all that much). And that's only because 1st generation immigrants have special motivation to keep their nose clean. The children and grandchildren of Central American immigrants have much higher crime rates.

[nate33]

Wow - 9 lives!

Yup. Khan's law firm has deep ties to the Clinton Foundation, Saudi Arabia, and even Clinton's home brew email server.

Not that any of this discounts Khan's message, but it' like to see more on the "deep ties."

Can anyone tell me what the smoking gun is on his pulled down website? I looked at it and saw a single entry for immigration services as a component of full service international business law, among a wide ranging array of offered services that seem primarily focused on electronic discovery. Does anyone actually know that immigration services were a significant part of his practice? Many foreign born attorneys offer immigration law as part of their practice in part because they often have a higher percentage of foreign born clients and enjoy better rapport with them. The smoking gun in the article (and several others I saw online) seems to consist primarily of innuendo and self fulfilling conclusions.

So far, just partisan politics as usual. I guess Trump's sticking with his "attack the Khan's" strategy. Too bad they don't have a crying baby.

These are fair criticisms. For now, it looks like much of it is guilt by association type tactics, though of course the media is never reticent to make the same type of guilt-by-association attacks on Republicans.

Here's another website that describes how Kahn is a pretty strong advocate for Sharia Law, and has been influence by a prominent Muslim Brotherhood radical. Again, that's a bit circumstantial, but the probes have just begun.

[montestewart]

Yup. Khan's law firm has deep ties to the Clinton Foundation, Saudi Arabia, and even Clinton's home brew email server.

Not that any of this discounts Khan's message, but it' like to see more on the "deep ties."

Can anyone tell me what the smoking gun is on his pulled down website? I looked at it and saw a single entry for immigration services as a component of full service international business law, among a wide ranging array of offered services that seem primarily focused on electronic discovery. Does anyone actually know that immigration services were a significant part of his practice? Many foreign born attorneys offer immigration law as part of their practice in part because they often have a higher percentage of foreign born clients and enjoy better rapport with them. The smoking gun in the article (and several others I saw online) seems to consist primarily of innuendo and self fulfilling conclusions.

So far, just partisan politics as usual. I guess Trump's sticking with his "attack the Khan's" strategy. Too bad they don't have a crying baby.

These are fair criticisms. For now, it looks like much of it is guilt by association type tactics, though of course the media is never reticent to make the same type of guilt-by-association attack on Republicans.

Here's another website that describes Kahn is a pretty strong advocate for Sharia Law, and has been influence by a prominent Muslim Brotherhood radical. Again, that's a bit circumstantial, but the probes have just begun.

I thought Democrats were too quick to jump on the Khan bandwagon, but from what I saw, he seemed pretty sincere (his wife's written statement likewise seemed sincere). I just wish voters (and the press) would not be so quick with their "ah hahs!" And that goes for coverage of Republicans and Democrats. I'm more likely to give the Khans the benefit of the doubt than I am for the candidates, since I just met them.