Political Roundtable Part X

[JWizmentality]

And for BLM - 85.4% of blacks don't have a college degree (Grabstats).

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 3,215,000 blacks in this country who have a bachelor’s degree. And there are an additional 1,078,000 African Americans who have both a four-year college degree and a master’s degree. An additional 150,000 blacks hold a professional degree in fields such as law, business, and medicine. Another 136,000 African Americans have obtained a doctorate. Over-all, 4,579,000 African Americans possess a four-year college degree or higher.
This is breathtaking progress.

In 2008, 19.6 percent of all African Americans over the age of 25 held a college degree. This figure has in-creased significantly from 13.8 percent in 1996 and 11.3 percent in 1990.

Despite the good news, the data still shows that blacks must continue to travel a huge distance before they reach parity with white Americans in higher education.
Overall, 32.6 percent of the non-Hispanic white population over the age of 25 holds a college degree compared to 19.6 percent of adult blacks. This percentage gap has remained steady in recent years.

The number of African Americans who hold a college degree has gone up every year since the Jim Crow Era and this is despite the fact that public school funding has been cut drastically over the past few years, eliminating educational opportunities for lower income families. You and nate love to do this. You cherry pick stats to fit your narrative all the while conveniently ignoring the variances behind those stats, and I can no longer ascertain whether it's blissful ignorance or willful evil. You use that to advance your "Blacks are lazy" or "Blacks are prone to violence" shtick and have been called on it numerous times.

[dckingsfan]

And for BLM - 85.4% of blacks don't have a college degree (Grabstats).

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 3,215,000 blacks in this country who have a bachelor’s degree. And there are an additional 1,078,000 African Americans who have both a four-year college degree and a master’s degree. An additional 150,000 blacks hold a professional degree in fields such as law, business, and medicine. Another 136,000 African Americans have obtained a doctorate. Over-all, 4,579,000 African Americans possess a four-year college degree or higher.
This is breathtaking progress.

In 2008, 19.6 percent of all African Americans over the age of 25 held a college degree. This figure has in-creased significantly from 13.8 percent in 1996 and 11.3 percent in 1990.

Despite the good news, the data still shows that blacks must continue to travel a huge distance before they reach parity with white Americans in higher education.
Overall, 32.6 percent of the non-Hispanic white population over the age of 25 holds a college degree compared to 19.6 percent of adult blacks. This percentage gap has remained steady in recent years.

The number of African Americans who hold a college degree has gone up every year since the Jim Crow Era and this is despite the fact that public school funding has been cut drastically over the past few years, eliminating educational opportunities for lower income families. You and nate love to do this. You cherry pick stats to fit your narrative all the while conveniently ignoring the variances behind those stats, and I can no longer ascertain whether it's blissful ignorance or willful evil. You use that to advance your "Blacks are lazy" or "Blacks are prone to violence" shtick and have been called on it numerous times.

Wow, I just cited it as a reason that Blacks should be angry. Please read the posts - what were the previous posts about? I will go with your 80.4 percent of the black population doesn't have a degree.

And you have never, ever, every seen me right that blacks are lazy - ever.

I have never said that blacks were "prone to violence". I HAVE cited that they murder way more of their own than the police do. And I did it in context as to why police officers are more afraid of them.

I stand by my post - Blacks should be angry with 80.4 percent not having a college degree.
That should be a reason for them to be angry.

[fishercob]

I have yet to see any proof that McCain isn't member of Muslim Brotherhood. What is the liberal media hiding?

Read on Twitter

[nate33]

And for BLM - 85.4% of blacks don't have a college degree (Grabstats).

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 3,215,000 blacks in this country who have a bachelor’s degree. And there are an additional 1,078,000 African Americans who have both a four-year college degree and a master’s degree. An additional 150,000 blacks hold a professional degree in fields such as law, business, and medicine. Another 136,000 African Americans have obtained a doctorate. Over-all, 4,579,000 African Americans possess a four-year college degree or higher.
This is breathtaking progress.

In 2008, 19.6 percent of all African Americans over the age of 25 held a college degree. This figure has in-creased significantly from 13.8 percent in 1996 and 11.3 percent in 1990.

Despite the good news, the data still shows that blacks must continue to travel a huge distance before they reach parity with white Americans in higher education.
Overall, 32.6 percent of the non-Hispanic white population over the age of 25 holds a college degree compared to 19.6 percent of adult blacks. This percentage gap has remained steady in recent years.

The number of African Americans who hold a college degree has gone up every year since the Jim Crow Era and this is despite the fact that public school funding has been cut drastically over the past few years, eliminating educational opportunities for lower income families. You and nate love to do this. You cherry pick stats to fit your narrative all the while conveniently ignoring the variances behind those stats, and I can no longer ascertain whether it's blissful ignorance or willful evil. You use that to advance your "Blacks are lazy" or "Blacks are prone to violence" shtick and have been called on it numerous times.

Cherry picking stats?

School funding has risen dramatically in nearly every year since Jim Crow. It has leveled off of late because the economy has been so dreary and tax revenues lackluster, but it's hardly been "cut drastically". According to the National Center for Education Statistics, the high water mark for public school spending was in 2009 at $11,621 per student. In the most recent year they posted data, 2013, the spending rate was $11,061 per student. (The chart I managed to find below is from a different source with slightly different numbers, but the trend looks the same). So per pupil education spending has doubled since 1992 and dropped about 5% over the last 5 years.




We spend more per pupil than anybody except Scandinavia and tiny Luxembourg:



And we spend a greater percentage of money on blacks than whites. And the richer the region, the more this disparity exists:




Despite this, the gap in SAT test scores between blacks and whites is actually increasing:



And this test score gap persists even when accounting for income disparity. In the last year the SAT kept both income and race statistics, we see this:



It's more difficult to find the income/race data for recent years. But there are ways. Here's a chart showing reading test scores of California 8th graders relative to the eligibility for school lunch assistance:



I have endeavored to be as factual as possible in looking up these numbers. Rather than attack dckingsfan and I for being evil racists, I'd really much prefer that you post whatever facts or data you have that contradicts the data posted by dckingsfan and I. I'm always willing to learn new things. But please make you case without personal attacks or insults.

[AFM]

I can already tell you your charts are incorrect. There's no way whites score better than Asians on any section of the SAT.

[nate33]

I can already tell you your charts are incorrect. There's no way whites score better than Asians on any section of the SAT.

It's correct. Here's another source for the most recent test data:

Note that the chart was just the reading score. Asians outscore whites on the SAT's overall, but most of their dominance is on the math side of the test. The writing scores have always been closer, and whites have actually outscored Asians (just slightly) on the reading comprehension. (English may be a second language to a significant proportion of the Asian test takers, which would presumably drag down their average.)

[DCZards]

I stand by my post - Blacks should be angry with 80.4 percent not having a college degree.
That should be a reason for them to be angry.

You're right, black folks should be angry as hell. College degrees is just one measurement of where African-Americans are far behind their white peers. It's the kind of thing that's bound to happen when you have 200 years of slavery and degradation, followed by 100 years of Jim Crow, followed by years and years of institutionalized racism.

I tell the young black folks that I mentor that, instead of wasting their energy on anger, they should just keep "chopping wood."

[AFM]

CK is a genius, all three parts of this are worth listening to

Also funny as ****.

Watch on YouTube

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(They are talking about the Henry Louis Gates arrest)

1:20 is funny as hell

[gtn130]

Nate, the academic achievement gap between white and black kids starts literally at kindergarten. Being poor is one part of it, but living in a single parent household and growing up in a poor neighborhood where you're taught not to trust the system are huge factors as well. It's really not as simple as "sort by income" or "sort by dollars spent on education".

If you don't think it's the aforementioned socioeconomic factors causing black kids to struggle in school, what is your theory?

[keynote]

Trump acolytes campaign to defeat Ryan

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-paul-ryan-226593

More than half a dozen of Trump’s former campaign staff members or leading volunteer organizers from around the country — and many more local volunteers — have signed on to the long-shot campaign of Ryan’s primary challenger, businessman Paul Nehlen, who openly embraces Trump and casts Ryan as an impediment to Trump’s agenda.

While they were not sent by Trump — in fact, most of the staffers had been laid off by his shoestring primary campaign or left amid infighting — their re-emergence in Ryan’s Southeastern Wisconsin district is notable.

As an aside, I'm not a fan of journalists using word "notable," "noteworthy," or "newsworthy" without further justification, since the writer and their editors have already declared its noteworthiness when they decided to write and publish the article. It's not an objective standard; it's inherently subjective.

Nehlen’s relatively small campaign appears to have collected the largest concentration of former Trump staff and volunteer advisers, with some acknowledging they see the effort to defeat Ryan as a continuation of the bitter fight Trump waged against the GOP establishment.

Nehlen, in an interview conducted Tuesday during a break in door-knocking here in Ryan’s hometown, accused the speaker of taking “every opportunity to undermine Mr. Trump. He’s not been loyal to him.” And Nehlen asserted, “I think [Trump] has had it with that,” before adding quickly that he didn’t know for sure “because I’ve never talked to him.”

But both Trump’s campaign and Nehlen’s bristled when POLITICO asked about the role of out-of-town former Trump staffers in trying to upset Ryan, whose campaign office declined to comment.

[Doug_Blew]

From USA Today

Manafort said that he personally supports Ryan and then had a strange slip-up: “I support him as a speaker and I know after next week I’m going to be supporting him as a candidate for president, too. Uh, I mean, for —"

When pressed about what he meant (there have been rumors and speculation that Republicans are trying to get Trump to drop out following a rough week for the candidate), Manafort dismissed the slip-up.

I wonder if Manafort has a Hit out on Trump.

[AFM]

More proof that Hillary is a reptilian NWO robot, watch as she has a power failure and her BIOS reboots

Watch on YouTube

[keynote]

The headline is sexier than the article (isn't it always?), but it's still worth a read.

George W. Bush Delivers Critique of Donald Trump’s Policies
Former president stops short of putting his remarks in the context of the 2016 presidential campaign

http://www.wsj.com/articles/george-w-bush-delivers-critique-of-donald-trumps-policies-1470195228

Without naming Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, former President George W. Bush delivered an incisive critique of his policies of “isolationism, nativism and protectionism” at a private fundraiser in Cincinnati on Tuesday for Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, according to four people who attended.

Mr. Bush told the crowd of about 400 people that he had been reflecting on threats against American exceptionalism, though he didn’t put his remarks in the context of the 2016 presidential campaign.

“It was an interesting exercise of statecraft,” said Ken Blackwell, a former Ohio secretary of state. “No one could say he directly spoke in attack mode against Donald Trump. Neither could anybody miss the fact that he thought there were some cutting-edge issues that Trump is advancing that need to be scrutinized and debated.”

Mr. Bush also stressed to Mr. Portman’s donors that the institution of the presidency was more important than the occupant of the White House. Criticizing President Obama, he said, would demean the institution. Even in troubled times, “we’re lucky because we’ll always have the presidency,” Mr. Bush said, according to one attendee.

[tontoz]

Triumph the insult dog had a great line in his vid covering the Democratic debates. He said it was good that they had 3 debates because it allowed them to determine "which of the 3 Hillary robots is the most lifelike."

[closg00]

Disregard the polls, Trump & Clinton are essentially tied in Ohio and Florida. Assange is withholding damaging emails for maximum impact later and the Russians will probably hack to help Trump enough to secure a narrow victory....if Trump can rebound in the coming weeks.

EDIT: A new poll has Clinton up 4 points in Florida.

[keynote]

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/donald-and-hobbes-is-genius/

[AFM]

[bsilver]

Disregard the polls, Trump & Clinton are essentially tied in Ohio and Florida. Assange is withholding damaging emails for maximum impact later and the Russians will probably hack to help Trump enough to secure a narrow victory....if Trump can rebound in the coming weeks.

EDIT: A new poll has Clinton up 4 points in Florida.

Latest headline: "Depression in Trump Tower"
Down 11 in Penn., 4 in Fl, 17 in NH, 9 in Mich.
New last ditch strategy revealed:
1) Rely on Assange and Putin.
2) Duck tape Trump's mouth shut.

[DCZards]

Interesting tidbit:

There was a primary election yesterday for a Kansas U.S. Representative. It pitted the incumbent - a NeverTrump Tea Party conservative named Tim Huelskamp, against populist challenger (and Trump supporter) Roger Marshall. Polls from July 15th indicated that Huelskamp had a 9 point lead over Marshall. Huelskamp was the incumbent, he had the name recognition, the financial support, and this was Cruz country where Trump got blown out in the GOP Primary.

Marshall ended up crushing Huelskamp 56%-44%. He did it on the backs of blue collar farmers. The were apparently a lot more populists out there than anybody counted on, and they showed up to vote. It was Brexit all over again. The media and the experts had it all wrong.

Apparently, the Kansas primary election was about the conservative (and failed) policies of Gov. Sam Brownback and those politicians--like Huelskamp--who supported them. Turns out other Brownback supporters also went down on Tuesday.

A few years ago, I interviewed some Kansas state government workers who complained that the policies (mostly tax cuts) that Brownback was implementing would wreak havoc on the state's programs and services. They were right.

[dckingsfan]

Nate, the academic achievement gap between white and black kids starts literally at kindergarten. Being poor is one part of it, but living in a single parent household and growing up in a poor neighborhood where you're taught not to trust the system are huge factors as well. It's really not as simple as "sort by income" or "sort by dollars spent on education".

If you don't think it's the aforementioned socioeconomic factors causing black kids to struggle in school, what is your theory?

I think it is all of the above. Family support of education, family ability to support the kid in education process, the school, the decreasing return on our dollars spent on schooling all play into how we fail black kids in education.

One small part (not the complete reason) of an interesting dynamic going on is that blacks vote historically D. D's generally support education unions that don't want competition. Competition is what we need (IMO) to improve education for blacks (and everyone for that matter).

But getting the belief in the family that they must get their kids THROUGH college is key. Someone pointed out the role model that is Obama on this front - I don't think that part can be underestimated.

Regardless, we all want a MUCH larger portion of blacks to become college educated. The benefit to the tax base would be large. So, we should all be mad about this...