Jayson Tatum

Upperclass · Post #21 » by **Upperclass** » Mon Apr 4, 2016 2:07 pm

^^ Not in terms of style of play. I'm more so referring to how a role player may endup going ahead of much more impactful players, esp. These guards. Similar to the CP3/Deron Willians draft.

Post #22 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:54 pm

Upperclass wrote:Smith Jr. will be the #1 pick and best player from this class. Jackson looks like Marvin Williams to me. I dont think Seventh Woods gets the love he deserves either. His floor is probably Avery Bradley.

What? Seventh Woods gets no talk because he deserves no talk. He has that one great highlight as like a freshman but the thing is he hasn't got any better since then. He's still has a very suspect shot and handles and doesn't have the vision or passing to play point. Right now Seventh is a great athlete that plays basketball, UNC gets a lot of those like Pinson and Tokoto. Just like those guys Seventh has a lot to work on if he wants to go to the NBA.

Post #23 » by **Marcus** » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:58 pm

Upperclass wrote:^^ Not in terms of style of play. I'm more so referring to how a role player may endup going ahead of much more impactful players, esp. These guards. Similar to the CP3/Deron Willians draft.

what makes you say Josh will be a role player?

Kolkmania · Post #24 » by **Kolkmania** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 10:19 am

Tatum was a bit underwhelming, but like you said All Star games like these tend to favor the more athletic players. Still I think Tatum will have some difficulties adjusting from HS, getting his mid-range shot in college will be much tougher against larger opponents. Edrice Adebayo was the best player on the court with Josh Jackson, some nice blocks, decent rebounding and had some nice passes that showed decent vision. Markelle Fultz looked great offensively as well, some decent P&R reads and his stroke looked good, despite being projected as a poor shooter.

ppedro123 · Post #25 » by **ppedro123** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 6:43 pm

who was better coming out of HS? Ingram or Tatum?

Post #26 » by **Marcus** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 6:45 pm

ppedro123 wrote:who was better coming out of HS? Ingram or Tatum?

I'd say Tatum. Definitely more hyped and more refined. Ingram was just hitting his stride when coming out.

Post #27 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 7:00 pm

Marcus wrote:
ppedro123 wrote:who was better coming out of HS? Ingram or Tatum?

I'd say Tatum. Definitely more hyped and more refined. Ingram was just hitting his stride when coming out.

Ya definitely Tatum. I know it wasn't shown at the all star game but his skill set is 2nd to no one. For those worrying if he can be effective against great athletes. He's been great for the USA teams and he's never had an issue with athletes in AAU or in high school where he had one of the hardest schedules in the country. He's proven he can be very effective against the top prospects. With that said, he definitely doesn't have the ceiling a guy like Jackson has because of Jackson's freak athleticism

Post #28 » by **Marcus** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 7:03 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Marcus wrote:
ppedro123 wrote:who was better coming out of HS? Ingram or Tatum?

I'd say Tatum. Definitely more hyped and more refined. Ingram was just hitting his stride when coming out.

Ya definitely Tatum. I know it wasn't shown at the all star game but his skill set is 2nd to no one. For those worrying if he can be effective against great athletes. He's been great for the USA teams and he's never had an issue with athletes in AAU or in high school where he had one of the hardest schedules in the country. He's proven he can be very effective against the top prospects. With that said, he definitely doesn't have the ceiling a guy like Jackson has because of Jackson's freak athleticism

Yeah next to maybe Smith Jr. Tatum would be the last guy I would worry about being to get his shot off against defenders, kid creates so much room for his looks with his ridiculous footwork and with how he uses his elbows to create space.

Zombiesonics · Post #29 » by **Zombiesonics** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 7:56 pm

Tatum is gonna grow into his body more and more, way more polished and accomplished than Ingram was. As far as eybl play , USA, and for his hs.

However there is a kid in 2017 that's a better version of Tatum, Michael porter jr. These consecutive classes , 16-17, are just so stocked with talent at the top.

Post #30 » by **Marcus** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 8:11 pm

Zombiesonics wrote:Tatum is gonna grow into his body more and more, way more polished and accomplished than Ingram was. As far as eybl play , USA, and for his hs.

However there is a kid in 2017 that's a better version of Tatum, Michael porter jr. These consecutive classes , 16-17, are just so stocked with talent at the top.

that 2018 draft class as it stands could be top heavy

just the one and done prospects alone:

DeAndre Ayton
Wendall Carter
Michael Porter Jr.
Trevon Duvall

I haven't watched EJ Montgomery this year to see his progress to see if he's in there as well.

Zombiesonics · Post #31 » by **Zombiesonics** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 8:26 pm

Marcus wrote:
Zombiesonics wrote:Tatum is gonna grow into his body more and more, way more polished and accomplished than Ingram was. As far as eybl play , USA, and for his hs.

However there is a kid in 2017 that's a better version of Tatum, Michael porter jr. These consecutive classes , 16-17, are just so stocked with talent at the top.

that 2018 draft class as it stands could be top heavy

just the one and done prospects alone:

DeAndre Ayton
Wendall Carter
Michael Porter Jr.
Trevon Duvall

I haven't watched EJ Montgomery this year to see his progress to see if he's in there as well.

Yeah that's the case with looking too far ahead, the class just hasn't been scouted enough or even had opportunies to play in mega events like hoop summit or fiba play even.

I have a vested interest because I follow hs recruiting /play, so I would say those 4 you named have legit superstar potential. Ayton porter and Duvall are just cant miss insane talents , couple of other guys near the top to keep an eye on : Brian Bowen, hamidou diallo, and mohamed bamba. EJ is actually hs class of 2018.

Bamba is just an absurd prospect , like a bigger Giannis. There going to be a lot of talent flowing into the league through 2020

Post #32 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Apr 5, 2016 10:16 pm

Zombiesonics wrote:
Marcus wrote:
Zombiesonics wrote:Tatum is gonna grow into his body more and more, way more polished and accomplished than Ingram was. As far as eybl play , USA, and for his hs.

However there is a kid in 2017 that's a better version of Tatum, Michael porter jr. These consecutive classes , 16-17, are just so stocked with talent at the top.

that 2018 draft class as it stands could be top heavy

just the one and done prospects alone:

DeAndre Ayton
Wendall Carter
Michael Porter Jr.
Trevon Duvall

I haven't watched EJ Montgomery this year to see his progress to see if he's in there as well.

Yeah that's the case with looking too far ahead, the class just hasn't been scouted enough or even had opportunies to play in mega events like hoop summit or fiba play even.

I have a vested interest because I follow hs recruiting /play, so I would say those 4 you named have legit superstar potential. Ayton porter and Duvall are just cant miss insane talents , couple of other guys near the top to keep an eye on : Brian Bowen, hamidou diallo, and mohamed bamba. EJ is actually hs class of 2018.

Bamba is just an absurd prospect , like a bigger Giannis. There going to be a lot of talent flowing into the league through 2020

Ya Bamba is my boom or bust prospect. If he can keep putting some muscle on and keep improving his jumper I would take him #1. His shot blocking ability is just freakish with his athleticism and length. He has the highest ceiling to me. 18 looks like another great class, not as deep as 17 but still has plenty of star power. This 16 class is very very weak compared to what surrounds it

Post #33 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Aug 3, 2016 10:50 pm

An older video but he continues to improve his explosiveness. He can get up when needed and is a very very smooth and fluid athlete. A quote from Draftexpress scouting report on him

-Very good athlete who displays excellent fluidity and can play above the rim both in transition and the half court. Extremely agile and coordinated. Great body control.

Watch on YouTube

Now hes definitely not the same level of athlete as a Dennis Smith or Josh Jackson. But I think we may see another case like Jabari Parker, Parker's athleticism was questioned because a lot of people compared him to Wiggins.

BallinBen · Post #34 » by **BallinBen** » Fri Aug 5, 2016 1:15 am

He reminds me more of Carmelo with his mid range scoring ability and lack of passing.

Post #35 » by **Marcus** » Fri Aug 5, 2016 4:58 am

BallinBen wrote:He reminds me more of Carmelo with his mid range scoring ability and lack of passing.

Not much talent around him so he had to get shots up but Jayson is a capable and willing passer.

jonjames · Post #36 » by **jonjames** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:35 pm

He has a smooth elegant style of play but I'm not sure he's worth picking so high in this draft. something about him screams Otto Porter Jr which isnt bad by any means but def. not top 3.

Post #37 » by **Marcus** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 2:52 pm

jonjames wrote:He has a smooth elegant style of play but I'm not sure he's worth picking so high in this draft. something about him screams Otto Porter Jr which isnt bad by any means but def. not top 3.

Completely different games. Regardless Jayson doesn't project top 3 in this draft anyway.

Post #38 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 6:03 pm

jonjames wrote:He has a smooth elegant style of play but I'm not sure he's worth picking so high in this draft. something about him screams Otto Porter Jr which isnt bad by any means but def. not top 3.

I think body wise theyre similar but that is about it. Porter really struggled creating his own shot in college. He was not the type of guy you could give the ball to and know he can get a score. His ball handling was below average for a 3 and he was awful at shooting off the dribble. Tatum is the opposite, the majority of his scoring comes from Iso and pick n roll. His ball handling for a 6'9 18 year old is very good to elite for a 3. The majority of his scoring comes off the dribble. If Tatum can improve his passing then I think the taller Brandon Roy comparisons are great. More smooth and fluid athletes but can surprise you with their explosiveness every once and awhile. But their main game comes from their elite footwork and mid range skills. Once you get by the body comparisons Tatum and Porter have almost opposite games

CptCrunch · Post #39 » by **CptCrunch** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:26 pm

Taytum is basically LMA of SF. His success in the NBA depends on his ability to convert those garbage long 2's he takes. There are like only two players in the NBA who should be taking long two's - LMA and Dirk. His shot repertoire (right now) is really not suitable for the modern NBA, but we shall see.

EMG518 · Post #40 » by **EMG518** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:37 pm

paulbball wrote:Taytum is basically LMA of SF. His success in the NBA depends on his ability to convert those garbage long 2's he takes. There are like only two players in the NBA who should be taking long two's - LMA and Dirk. His shot repertoire (right now) is really not suitable for the modern NBA, but we shall see.

There are alot of players whom thrive on getting to the basket and their mid range game. Wade, Butler, Derozan, etc.