The TJ Warren Thread!

Saberestar · Post #281 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:27 pm

Hornacek on Warren's improved 3ptrs: "We don't want to talk about that. He's a terrible three-point shooter. We want everyone to think that"

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheMattPetersen/status/686597060066295809

Post #282 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:48 pm

Good article on TJ Warren and Lorenzo Brown.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/01/14/suns-reunite-wolfpack-duo-tj-warren-lorenzo-brown/78814122/?hootPostID=5517011a1664f61f06284be49d8e618b

Post #283 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Aug 5, 2016 5:11 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #284 » by **ATTL** » Fri Aug 5, 2016 10:46 pm

Have we seen any pics of this new "swole" TJ?

LukasBMW · Post #285 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Aug 6, 2016 12:21 am

I'd be stoked for TJ to beat out PJ for the starting spot in camp.

Bledsoe/Booker/TJ has so much potential as a 1/2/3.

All 3 seem to have great attitudes now as well. Booker apparently is an angel, Bledsoe has embraced a leadership role, and TJ is the strong silent type.

sleepyvato · Post #286 » by **sleepyvato** » Sat Aug 6, 2016 12:29 am

I'm really looking forward to seeing how TJ does this coming season. Such a shame that he got injured last season and couldn't shine alongside Booker but this will be his year if he stays healthy.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #287 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Aug 6, 2016 9:51 am

Huge wildcard.

Can score 20 a game effeciently, even if he doesn't do anything else.

I don't think he's that far off Booker as a prospect at all.

sunsbg · Post #288 » by **sunsbg** » Sat Aug 6, 2016 12:32 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Huge wildcard.

Can score 20 a game effeciently, even if he doesn't do anything else.

I don't think he's that far off Booker as a prospect at all.

Not only will Booker score more at a younger age, but he also creates offense for others. I don't understand how anybody can think this is a small difference.

jcsunsfan · Post #289 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Aug 6, 2016 3:28 pm

sunsbg wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Huge wildcard.

Can score 20 a game effeciently, even if he doesn't do anything else.

I don't think he's that far off Booker as a prospect at all.

Not only will Booker score more at a younger age, but he also creates offense for others. I don't understand how anybody can think this is a small difference.

They do different things. TJ scored efficiently based both on FG percentage and time with the ball in his hands. That is hugely valuable. Booker got lots of minutes last year and did pretty well with them. I have to believe that TJ would make very good use of his minutes as well.

sunsbg · Post #290 » by **sunsbg** » Sat Aug 6, 2016 7:15 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Huge wildcard.

Can score 20 a game effeciently, even if he doesn't do anything else.

I don't think he's that far off Booker as a prospect at all.

Not only will Booker score more at a younger age, but he also creates offense for others. I don't understand how anybody can think this is a small difference.

They do different things. TJ scored efficiently based both on FG percentage and time with the ball in his hands. That is hugely valuable. Booker got lots of minutes last year and did pretty well with them. I have to believe that TJ would make very good use of his minutes as well.

I'm not arguing that scoring efficiently is not valuable. But this skill only makes him a complimentary player. Once he starts creating for others I will accept that his potencial is anywhere close to Booker's.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #291 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sun Aug 7, 2016 7:14 am

Booker averages 1 more assist than Warren.

If you rated them both as prospects out of 10, I'd have Warren just 1 below.

sunsbg · Post #292 » by **sunsbg** » Sun Aug 7, 2016 8:14 am

Sure, stats are not everything. Based on stats one could probably say that Shawn Marion was on the same level as Steve Nash. But one was complimentary player, the other one was a franchise player.

For the leadership qualities displayed alone I would put Booker 2-3 spots before Warren at this point and with a potencial for a bigger distance in the future.

Damkac · Post #293 » by **Damkac** » Sun Aug 7, 2016 7:31 pm

Booker got chance to shine as team leader because of all the injuries. Warren didn't had that chance yet. Ususally when he was on court he was 2nd, 3rd scoring option and don't had ball in his hands too much. I hope we will see more TJ's buckets this season.
He may be worse at passing and may not be a vocal leader but their scoring potential is similar.

Post #294 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 10:40 am

LukasBMW wrote:I'd be stoked for TJ to beat out PJ for the starting spot in camp.

Bledsoe/Booker/TJ has so much potential as a 1/2/3.

All 3 seem to have great attitudes now as well. Booker apparently is an angel, Bledsoe has embraced a leadership role, and TJ is the strong silent type.

I really wouldn't want to have 3 30+ year old guys in our starting lineup when we keep talking about embracing the youth movement.
I see Warren having the same kind of role Marion had, and eventually could see him leaving if we don't market the team around him like Marion did.

NavLDO · Post #295 » by **NavLDO** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 1:50 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Huge wildcard.

Can score 20 a game effeciently, even if he doesn't do anything else.

I don't think he's that far off Booker as a prospect at all.

Not only will Booker score more at a younger age, but he also creates offense for others. I don't understand how anybody can think this is a small difference.

They do different things. TJ scored efficiently based both on FG percentage and time with the ball in his hands. That is hugely valuable. Booker got lots of minutes last year and did pretty well with them. I have to believe that TJ would make very good use of his minutes as well.

Not sure if my rankings I ordered them in, will remain with this link, but this our, potentially, starting 5.

Look at the ws/48, ORtg, DRtg, TS%, eFG%, etc. Warren, when he played, was absolutely better than Booker, and is close to Booker as a prospect. The problem is, Booker looked better than anyone else on the court for us in the last half of the season; however that was with Bledsoe and Warren out with injury.

I'm not taking anything away from Booker, but Warren has every bit of a chance to be special in this league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=bledser01&y2=2016&p2=warretj01&y3=2016&p3=bookede01&y4=2016&p4=dudleja01&y5=2016&p5=lenal01&p6=

Post #296 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 2:59 pm

NavLDO wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Not only will Booker score more at a younger age, but he also creates offense for others. I don't understand how anybody can think this is a small difference.

They do different things. TJ scored efficiently based both on FG percentage and time with the ball in his hands. That is hugely valuable. Booker got lots of minutes last year and did pretty well with them. I have to believe that TJ would make very good use of his minutes as well.

Not sure if my rankings I ordered them in, will remain with this link, but this our, potentially, starting 5.

Look at the ws/48, ORtg, DRtg, TS%, eFG%, etc. Warren, when he played, was absolutely better than Booker, and is close to Booker as a prospect. The problem is, Booker looked better than anyone else on the court for us in the last half of the season; however that was with Bledsoe and Warren out with injury.

I'm not taking anything away from Booker, but Warren has every bit of a chance to be special in this league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=bledser01&y2=2016&p2=warretj01&y3=2016&p3=bookede01&y4=2016&p4=dudleja01&y5=2016&p5=lenal01&p6=

The main difference appears to be passing ability and just plain leadership and confidence. Not saying Warren doesn't have that quiet confidence, but I just feel like Booker's confidence will be a little more contagious for the rest of the team, even if their individual talents don't have much different impact on the court. The good thing is that they seem to have different offensive strengths on the floor. TJ with the great offensive mid range game, great offensive rebounding instincts, etc, while Booker looks like you could run the offensive through him and he likely has more range despite the lower % from 3.

NavLDO · Post #297 » by **NavLDO** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 5:50 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
They do different things. TJ scored efficiently based both on FG percentage and time with the ball in his hands. That is hugely valuable. Booker got lots of minutes last year and did pretty well with them. I have to believe that TJ would make very good use of his minutes as well.

Not sure if my rankings I ordered them in, will remain with this link, but this our, potentially, starting 5.

Look at the ws/48, ORtg, DRtg, TS%, eFG%, etc. Warren, when he played, was absolutely better than Booker, and is close to Booker as a prospect. The problem is, Booker looked better than anyone else on the court for us in the last half of the season; however that was with Bledsoe and Warren out with injury.

I'm not taking anything away from Booker, but Warren has every bit of a chance to be special in this league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=bledser01&y2=2016&p2=warretj01&y3=2016&p3=bookede01&y4=2016&p4=dudleja01&y5=2016&p5=lenal01&p6=

The main difference appears to be passing ability and just plain leadership and confidence. Not saying Warren doesn't have that quiet confidence, but I just feel like Booker's confidence will be a little more contagious for the rest of the team, even if their individual talents don't have much different impact on the court. The good thing is that they seem to have different offensive strengths on the floor. TJ with the great offensive mid range game, great offensive rebounding instincts, etc, while Booker looks like you could run the offensive through him and he likely has more range despite the lower % from 3.

Well, I think with Horny gone, and Warren 'beefed up' and uninjured, I think we might see more confidence/leadership from him this year, and honestly, I REALLY hope they consider starting him at PF over Dudley...basically just swapping 'roles'; I know Warren's Defense is not great, but with him now being 6'9" and if he's truly 'swole', he's likely to be 230+ now. We could, and should, take advantage of that 'strength'; allow him to play against opposing team PF's may actually improve his Defense so he's not having to try and keep up with smaller, quicker SFs. To me, it would be at least worth investigating in training camp/preseason.

Post #298 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 6:14 pm

NavLDO wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
Not sure if my rankings I ordered them in, will remain with this link, but this our, potentially, starting 5.

Look at the ws/48, ORtg, DRtg, TS%, eFG%, etc. Warren, when he played, was absolutely better than Booker, and is close to Booker as a prospect. The problem is, Booker looked better than anyone else on the court for us in the last half of the season; however that was with Bledsoe and Warren out with injury.

I'm not taking anything away from Booker, but Warren has every bit of a chance to be special in this league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2016&p1=bledser01&y2=2016&p2=warretj01&y3=2016&p3=bookede01&y4=2016&p4=dudleja01&y5=2016&p5=lenal01&p6=

The main difference appears to be passing ability and just plain leadership and confidence. Not saying Warren doesn't have that quiet confidence, but I just feel like Booker's confidence will be a little more contagious for the rest of the team, even if their individual talents don't have much different impact on the court. The good thing is that they seem to have different offensive strengths on the floor. TJ with the great offensive mid range game, great offensive rebounding instincts, etc, while Booker looks like you could run the offensive through him and he likely has more range despite the lower % from 3.

Well, I think with Horny gone, and Warren 'beefed up' and uninjured, I think we might see more confidence/leadership from him this year, and honestly, I REALLY hope they consider starting him at PF over Dudley...basically just swapping 'roles'; I know Warren's Defense is not great, but with him now being 6'9" and if he's truly 'swole', he's likely to be 230+ now. We could, and should, take advantage of that 'strength'; allow him to play against opposing team PF's may actually improve his Defense so he's not having to try and keep up with smaller, quicker SFs. To me, it would be at least worth investigating in training camp/preseason.

He won't start at PF. They've already said Dudley is starting and TJ can probably learn some defensive stuff from him and Tucker. Not that any of them are guys you necessarily want defending opposing PFs.

LukasBMW · Post #299 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 9:21 pm

I think they want PJ and Dudley to start UNLESS one of the youngsters out plays them and TRULY earns that starting spot.

For TJ, I think that is a possibility.

Bold statement: I'd rather have him then Harrison Barnes. Even if you don't factor in the contracts.

NavLDO · Post #300 » by **NavLDO** » Tue Aug 9, 2016 11:51 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
The main difference appears to be passing ability and just plain leadership and confidence. Not saying Warren doesn't have that quiet confidence, but I just feel like Booker's confidence will be a little more contagious for the rest of the team, even if their individual talents don't have much different impact on the court. The good thing is that they seem to have different offensive strengths on the floor. TJ with the great offensive mid range game, great offensive rebounding instincts, etc, while Booker looks like you could run the offensive through him and he likely has more range despite the lower % from 3.

Well, I think with Horny gone, and Warren 'beefed up' and uninjured, I think we might see more confidence/leadership from him this year, and honestly, I REALLY hope they consider starting him at PF over Dudley...basically just swapping 'roles'; I know Warren's Defense is not great, but with him now being 6'9" and if he's truly 'swole', he's likely to be 230+ now. We could, and should, take advantage of that 'strength'; allow him to play against opposing team PF's may actually improve his Defense so he's not having to try and keep up with smaller, quicker SFs. To me, it would be at least worth investigating in training camp/preseason.

He won't start at PF. They've already said Dudley is starting and TJ can probably learn some defensive stuff from him and Tucker. Not that any of them are guys you necessarily want defending opposing PFs.

I know what they said, but until training camp/pre-season, well, you never know. Warren may play more PF on D than we think. a 6'7" SF with a 6'7" Wingspan playing PF is less than ideal, especially over a guy that as 2-3" inches on him in height and length. Even PJ has more length than Dudley.

I'm not denying what they said, I'm just saying I think the better option would be Warren.