Chargers vs Bosas

[LAKESHOW]

"Wish we pulled an Eli Maning on Draft day" -Mama Bosa


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/aug/07/chargers-joey-bosa-mom-holdout/

[jwise44]

Can someone explain to me what the chargers are asking in the contract? I saw something about it but it didn't make Sense to me

[bondom34]

Can someone explain to me what the chargers are asking in the contract? I saw something about it but it didn't make Sense to me

From what I gather, most rookie deals either include offset language (which is basically to say if a player is cut after 4 years, then signs somewhere else, the drafting team doesn't have to pay that 5th year and the player won't collect salary from 2 teams for a year) or they include a signing bonus up front instead of spreading it out. Teams pretty much always give one or the other. San Diego won't.

This is an explainer I got info from:

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/8/12402198/joey-bosa-contract-holdout-san-diego-chargers-why

[Blazerbob]

He won't sign the standard rookie contract. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) hold out. Chargers need to hold ground. He is nothing special.


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[bondom34]

He won't sign the standard rookie contract. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) hold out. Chargers need to hold ground. He is nothing special.


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He's asking for the standard. They won't give it.

[Cactus Jack]

He won't sign the standard rookie contract. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) hold out. Chargers need to hold ground. He is nothing special.


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He's asking for the standard. They won't give it.

I hope their owner sells the team to someone who wants to keep it in San Diego. Another example of a s***** owner.

[bondom34]

He won't sign the standard rookie contract. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) hold out. Chargers need to hold ground. He is nothing special.


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He's asking for the standard. They won't give it.

I hope their owner sells the team to someone who wants to keep it in San Diego. Another example of a s***** owner.

Oddly he won't give toward a new stadium, like some cities.

[Cactus Jack]

He's asking for the standard. They won't give it.

I hope their owner sells the team to someone who wants to keep it in San Diego. Another example of a s***** owner.

Oddly he won't give toward a new stadium, like some cities.

I feel this might go off topic. But, any owner who isn't willing to pay for the arena/stadium themselves, shouldn't be owning a team.

[bondom34]

I hope their owner sells the team to someone who wants to keep it in San Diego. Another example of a s***** owner.

Oddly he won't give toward a new stadium, like some cities.

I feel this might go off topic. But, any owner who isn't willing to pay for the arena/stadium themselves, shouldn't be owning a team.

I don't know how it could get off topic at all, but I think if a team isn't in a place where the city will help funding, maybe the city doesn't appreciate the team and its fans.

[Cactus Jack]

Oddly he won't give toward a new stadium, like some cities.

I feel this might go off topic. But, any owner who isn't willing to pay for the arena/stadium themselves, shouldn't be owning a team.

I don't know how it could get off topic at all, but I think if a team isn't in a place where the city will help funding, maybe the city doesn't appreciate the team and its fans.

It's politics. Having gone through the Sonics ordeal. These cities (elected officials) don't care about the teams. They just will do whatever it takes to get re-elected. Public Funding for stadiums is becoming less & less popular for the public & voters. Thus, these situations keep popping up.

[bondom34]

I feel this might go off topic. But, any owner who isn't willing to pay for the arena/stadium themselves, shouldn't be owning a team.

I don't know how it could get off topic at all, but I think if a team isn't in a place where the city will help funding, maybe the city doesn't appreciate the team and its fans.

It's politics. Having gone through the Sonics ordeal. These cities (elected officials) don't care about the teams. They just will do whatever it takes to get re-elected. Public Funding for stadiums is becoming less & less popular for the public & voters. Thus, these situations keep popping up.

Ultimately it just sucks for fans.

[Cactus Jack]

I don't know how it could get off topic at all, but I think if a team isn't in a place where the city will help funding, maybe the city doesn't appreciate the team and its fans.

It's politics. Having gone through the Sonics ordeal. These cities (elected officials) don't care about the teams. They just will do whatever it takes to get re-elected. Public Funding for stadiums is becoming less & less popular for the public & voters. Thus, these situations keep popping up.

Ultimately it just sucks for fans.

I've been to Qualcomm stadium, several times. It definitely needs an upgrade. Good location tho.

[bleu]

Oddly he won't give toward a new stadium, like some cities.

I feel this might go off topic. But, any owner who isn't willing to pay for the arena/stadium themselves, shouldn't be owning a team.

I don't know how it could get off topic at all, but I think if a team isn't in a place where the city will help funding, maybe the city doesn't appreciate the team and its fans.

It's kind of a difficult subject. Part of me agrees that an owner should either be willing to pony up and pay for things on his own, or sell the team to someone who will. However even many NFL owners don't have a billion dollars that they can throw around like that. Then part of me thinks that a team/arena is VERY beneficial to a city in most cases so why shouldn't they help out? But then you get the people who couldn't care less about sports who are pissed that their tax money is going to help a billionaire owner of a sports team.

[bwgood77]

He won't sign the standard rookie contract. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) hold out. Chargers need to hold ground. He is nothing special.


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He's asking for the standard. They won't give it.

I'm not sure about everyone's responses here but basically the only thing they are haggling over is the payout of the signing bonus. The Chargers typically give half up front and half at a later point. They've done this for all rookie players.

Bosa's family wants it all up front. The Chargers don't want to make a special exception for one player that they have never made for another.

There is zero difference in the amount of money the Bosa would get so it's a bit ridiculous.

Some other teams either sometimes pay it all up front or do for highly drafted rookies. I can somewhat understand both sides but it's a bit ridiculous, and although some players might not like that he gets a special exception, they will probably have a bigger problem with him if he holds out forever than if SD caves in and they get past this and people will eventually forget.

[bleu]

He won't sign the standard rookie contract. (Please Use More Appropriate Word) hold out. Chargers need to hold ground. He is nothing special.


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He's asking for the standard. They won't give it.

I'm not sure about everyone's responses here but basically the only thing they are haggling over is the payout of the signing bonus. The Chargers typically give half up front and half at a later point. They've done this for all rookie players.

Bosa's family wants it all up front. The Chargers don't want to make a special exception for one player that they have never made for another.

There is zero difference in the amount of money the Bosa would get so it's a bit ridiculous.

Some other teams either sometimes pay it all up front or do for highly drafted rookies. I can somewhat understand both sides but it's a bit ridiculous, and although some players might not like that he gets a special exception, they will probably have a bigger problem with him if he holds out forever than if SD caves in and they get past this and people will eventually forget.

I usually like to give players the benefit of the doubt when it comes to them vs. an organization/the NFL. But in this case, it seems like Mr. Bosa is just being a diva. Missing training camp will likely hurt him quite a bit, I can't imagine it's worth it in this situation. If I'm the Chargers, I don't budge.

[RavenMad31]

I feel this might go off topic. But, any owner who isn't willing to pay for the arena/stadium themselves, shouldn't be owning a team.

I don't know how it could get off topic at all, but I think if a team isn't in a place where the city will help funding, maybe the city doesn't appreciate the team and its fans.

It's kind of a difficult subject. Part of me agrees that an owner should either be willing to pony up and pay for things on his own, or sell the team to someone who will. However even many NFL owners don't have a billion dollars that they can throw around like that. Then part of me thinks that a team/arena is VERY beneficial to a city in most cases so why shouldn't they help out? But then you get the people who couldn't care less about sports who are pissed that their tax money is going to help a billionaire owner of a sports team.

Does anyone know if the city gets a cut of the team's actual profitability in these situations other than the presumed spike in business to the surrounding area? I would think that if a certain percent of a franchise's profit went to repay the city budget, then all is fair. I suspect that doesn't happen though.

[Cactus Jack]

I don't know how it could get off topic at all, but I think if a team isn't in a place where the city will help funding, maybe the city doesn't appreciate the team and its fans.

It's kind of a difficult subject. Part of me agrees that an owner should either be willing to pony up and pay for things on his own, or sell the team to someone who will. However even many NFL owners don't have a billion dollars that they can throw around like that. Then part of me thinks that a team/arena is VERY beneficial to a city in most cases so why shouldn't they help out? But then you get the people who couldn't care less about sports who are pissed that their tax money is going to help a billionaire owner of a sports team.

Does anyone know if the city gets a cut of the team's actual profitability in these situations other than the presumed spike in business to the surrounding area? I would think that if a certain percent of a franchise's profit went to repay the city budget, then all is fair. I suspect that doesn't happen though.

Great point. Ideally these stadiums would be 100% privately funded. It should be a federal law. It Would stop teams from the Threat of relocation.

[bwgood77]

It's kind of a difficult subject. Part of me agrees that an owner should either be willing to pony up and pay for things on his own, or sell the team to someone who will. However even many NFL owners don't have a billion dollars that they can throw around like that. Then part of me thinks that a team/arena is VERY beneficial to a city in most cases so why shouldn't they help out? But then you get the people who couldn't care less about sports who are pissed that their tax money is going to help a billionaire owner of a sports team.

Does anyone know if the city gets a cut of the team's actual profitability in these situations other than the presumed spike in business to the surrounding area? I would think that if a certain percent of a franchise's profit went to repay the city budget, then all is fair. I suspect that doesn't happen though.

Great point. Ideally these stadiums would be 100% privately funded. It should be a federal law. It Would stop teams from the Threat of relocation.

If they were 100% privately funded it certainly seems like it would be easier to justify moving a team at any time.

[Cactus Jack]

Does anyone know if the city gets a cut of the team's actual profitability in these situations other than the presumed spike in business to the surrounding area? I would think that if a certain percent of a franchise's profit went to repay the city budget, then all is fair. I suspect that doesn't happen though.

Great point. Ideally these stadiums would be 100% privately funded. It should be a federal law. It Would stop teams from the Threat of relocation.

If they were 100% privately funded it certainly seems like it would be easier to justify moving a team at any time.

It would stop teams from holding cities hostage. City vs. City dynamic.

[bleu]

For totally selfish reasons I really hope that Oakland won't help the Raiders out with a stadium so they move to Las Vegas. I couldn't care less about the Raiders, but it would make it much easier for me to get to a few NFL games every year.