Team's potential vs the East

[blueNorange]

Bulls problems

1. Fred Hoiberg

2. Injuries

3. Divided locker room

agreed, injuries because of rose and noah ... the 2 who supposedly are going to make the knicks a top tier team.

Maybe you didn't know this, but injuries happen in basketball.

yeah and maybe you didn't know this but injuries happen to injury prone players, and knicks have 2 players who are injury prone.

[blueNorange]

you guys realize that rose might miss anywhere from 10-15 games, and that's being optimistic and in those 10-15 games brandon ennings is going to get a lot of playing time?

skip to my lou at this point is a way better basketball player than brandon ennings.

[Jeff Van Gully]

greenie... people really act like phil has been president for the whole post-ewing era. no one wants to let that boy cook.

we razed the foundation LAST offseason. and for what that suicide squad was, it was .500 for a minute before the bottom fell out.

we didn't have a pick, but have come into this season with clean books. we still have pretty clean books going into next offseason... and we have NBA starters. a star for now. a star for the future. dog mentality on deck. all our picks (and some extras). we're on our way.

but some will always find a way to complain because we didn't win the championship. but few people have rational thoughts on how to get there.

i can understand the appeal of tank squad, but i have yet to see a situation where perpetual losing begets winning. the spurs took one season off and got luckier than life. bottom feeders end up high lottery every year and make no traction, just end up in a vicious cycle of losing and showing a losing culture to young talent.

this season looks like a real shot to make an upward trajectory.

Exactly. The thing that always seems to hinder us though is this thought that fans have of us being elite right now. That's the wrong mindset and leads to bitter disappointment. Last year is a great example of that. People called for a .500 team coming off of a 17 win season. It was delusional and when the delusion stopped people got angry. Why? We made great strides last year.

Fast forward to this year:

People are calling for a #2 seed and 50+ wins. Delusions. This team is supposed to go from a bottom 10 team to a top 10 team in one off-season? No. Now is the year you look for 40-42 wins and another stride forward possibly making the playoffs as a 6-8 seed. That's solid. Depending on health at the time of the playoffs as well as matchups we may be able to give straight hell to a higher seed and maybe a series in the first round. That's realistic. Next year depending on moves made we can then start to slide up the rankings as KP matures as a player and pieces are continuously added.

We as fans need to stop jumping out of the window every damn off-season and then calling for trades and firings when the team doesn't reach our unrealistic goals to begin with.

There it is. Need to be realistic. All this "We're #2 to Cleveland" talk is a bit silly. Step by step! Any playoff spot would be a successful season. We simply don't have the front court depth to contend far into the playoffs. In fact if we even make the playoffs, we'll likely be limping in. I mean come on Plumlee? Hernagomez(at least he has some upside)?

i think we COULD be the #2 seed. i don't think we SHOULD be the #2 seed. no way would i set myself up for that.

i think we all were surprised by the 54-win season. if we won that many games this year, i'd be less surprised than i was that season.

[HEZI]

agreed, injuries because of rose and noah ... the 2 who supposedly are going to make the knicks a top tier team.

Maybe you didn't know this, but injuries happen in basketball.

yeah and maybe you didn't know this but injuries happen to injury prone players, and knicks have 2 players who are injury prone.

No, actually injuries happen to everybody.

The Cavs just won a championship despite having "injury prone players"

Kevin Love was constantly injured in Minny. Went out last year early in the playoffs

Kyrie Irving went down in game 1 of the finals last year and only played in 53 games this season

Iman Shumpert is always injured

The San Antonio Spurs went through years of constant injuries to Duncan, Ginobili and Parker but still remained contenders

Injuries are part of the game

[blueNorange]

Maybe you didn't know this, but injuries happen in basketball.

yeah and maybe you didn't know this but injuries happen to injury prone players, and knicks have 2 players who are injury prone.

No, actually injuries happen to everybody.

The Cavs just won a championship despite having "injury prone players"

Kevin Love was constantly injured in Minny. Went out last year early in the playoffs

Kyrie Irving went down in game 1 of the finals last year and only played in 53 games this season

Iman Shumpert is always injured

The San Antonio Spurs went through years of constant injuries to Duncan, Ginobili and Parker but still remained contenders

Injuries are part of the game

again the point you're trying to make isn't a good one whatsoever. you can't say that rose and noah aren't injury prone because injuries happen to everyone. they're injury prone because their bodies are broken and can't withstand a 82 season game season.

the backups to noah is a rookie and oquinn and the backup to rose is ennings.

injuries will happen and those guys will get playing time, and which is why the knicks at best will be a .500 team but most likely a season wasted with a lottery pick that'll get nobody special because knicks need to contend for melo's window.

[HEZI]

yeah and maybe you didn't know this but injuries happen to injury prone players, and knicks have 2 players who are injury prone.

No, actually injuries happen to everybody.

The Cavs just won a championship despite having "injury prone players"

Kevin Love was constantly injured in Minny. Went out last year early in the playoffs

Kyrie Irving went down in game 1 of the finals last year and only played in 53 games this season

Iman Shumpert is always injured

The San Antonio Spurs went through years of constant injuries to Duncan, Ginobili and Parker but still remained contenders

Injuries are part of the game

again the point you're trying to make isn't a good one whatsoever. you can't say that rose and noah aren't injury prone because injuries happen to everyone. their injury prone because their bodies are broken and can't withstand a 82 season.

The point is they don't have to play 82 games in order for the Knicks to have success

Anthony Davis has never played in 70 games in his entire career

Allen Iverson played 82 games only 2 times in his entire career

Carmelo Anthony played 82 games once in his entire career and that was in 2003 during his rookie year

DWade NEVER played 82 games in his entire career

You mean to tell me you would pass on these players because they can't stay consistently healthy?

[GONYK]

No, actually injuries happen to everybody.

The Cavs just won a championship despite having "injury prone players"

Kevin Love was constantly injured in Minny. Went out last year early in the playoffs

Kyrie Irving went down in game 1 of the finals last year and only played in 53 games this season

Iman Shumpert is always injured

The San Antonio Spurs went through years of constant injuries to Duncan, Ginobili and Parker but still remained contenders

Injuries are part of the game

again the point you're trying to make isn't a good one whatsoever. you can't say that rose and noah aren't injury prone because injuries happen to everyone. their injury prone because their bodies are broken and can't withstand a 82 season.

The point is they don't have to play 82 games in order for the Knicks to have success

Anthony Davis has never played in 70 games in his entire career

Allen Iverson played 82 games only 2 times in his entire career

Carmelo Anthony played 82 games once in his entire career and that was in 2003 during his rookie year

DWade NEVER played 82 games in his entire career

You mean to tell me you would pass on these players because they can't stay consistently healthy?

Rose has played 166 regular season games total since 2011. There is a major difference between the injury history of the players you mentioned above and Derrick Rose.

Are we going to pretend that Amare was equally injury prone as Lebron since Lebron has never played 82 games in a season?

[blueNorange]

The point is they don't have to play 82 games in order for the Knicks to have success

bwahahhaah what?

if noah and rose both play 60 games then the knicks will be top 5 in the lottery. the knicks entire season depends on rose and noah, 2 injury prone players.

[HEZI]

again the point you're trying to make isn't a good one whatsoever. you can't say that rose and noah aren't injury prone because injuries happen to everyone. their injury prone because their bodies are broken and can't withstand a 82 season.

The point is they don't have to play 82 games in order for the Knicks to have success

Anthony Davis has never played in 70 games in his entire career

Allen Iverson played 82 games only 2 times in his entire career

Carmelo Anthony played 82 games once in his entire career and that was in 2003 during his rookie year

DWade NEVER played 82 games in his entire career

You mean to tell me you would pass on these players because they can't stay consistently healthy?

Rose has played 166 regular season games total since 2011. There is a major difference between the injury history of the players you mentioned above and Derrick Rose.

2011-12 was a lockout year

He got injured that year in the playoffs

Took off an entire year to recover, even though he was cleared to play

The doctors told him he was likely going to tear his meniscus because the other knee was overcompensating and the stress would cause the meniscus to tear. It did. Twice.

Those are fully recoverable injuries and he's recovered from them. So what's the difference?

[GONYK]

The point is they don't have to play 82 games in order for the Knicks to have success

Anthony Davis has never played in 70 games in his entire career

Allen Iverson played 82 games only 2 times in his entire career

Carmelo Anthony played 82 games once in his entire career and that was in 2003 during his rookie year

DWade NEVER played 82 games in his entire career

You mean to tell me you would pass on these players because they can't stay consistently healthy?

Rose has played 166 regular season games total since 2011. There is a major difference between the injury history of the players you mentioned above and Derrick Rose.

2011-12 was a lockout year

He got injured that year in the playoffs

Took off an entire year to recover, even though he was cleared to play

The doctors told him he was likely going to tear his meniscus because the other knee was overcompensating and the stress would cause the meniscus to tear. It did. Twice.

Those are fully recoverable injuries and he's recovered from them. So what's the difference?

Amare recovered from his injuries too. Did that not make him injury prone still? Was he a player you could depend on night in and night out?

And also, define "recovered", because Rose has not returned to his pre-injury form.

[HEZI]

The point is they don't have to play 82 games in order for the Knicks to have success

bwahahhaah what?

if noah and rose both play 60 games then the knicks will be top 5 in the lottery. the knicks entire season depends on rose and noah, 2 injury prone players.

So there is no middle huh? It's either 60 or 82, nothing in the middle? What if Rose plays 75 and Noah plays 70?

[ctorres]

Just stagger the games missed for everyone. Don't have Noah and Rose miss games at the same time.

Also, we desperately need a 3rd string point guard, unless Baker really is that guy?

[GONYK]

Just stagger the games missed for everyone. Don't have Noah and Rose miss games at the same time.

Also, we desperately need a 3rd string point guard, unless Baker really is that guy?

How are we supposed to control which games these players get injured for?

[ctorres]

Just stagger the games missed for everyone. Don't have Noah and Rose miss games at the same time.

Also, we desperately need a 3rd string point guard, unless Baker really is that guy?

How are we supposed to control which games these players get injured for?

Depends on the hypothetical.

Say both guys have something that is "sore". Not broken, sprained, torn, hyperextended. Just talking soreness.

One of them can miss a game for soreness, but the other guy is gonna have to play through it.

Or if both of them have the flu, then you're gonna have to shoot one of them up with whatever antibiotics you can find and throw him out on the court.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Just stagger the games missed for everyone. Don't have Noah and Rose miss games at the same time.

Also, we desperately need a 3rd string point guard, unless Baker really is that guy?

How are we supposed to control which games these players get injured for?

Depends on the hypothetical.

Say both guys have something that is "sore". Not broken, sprained, torn, hyperextended. Just talking soreness.

One of them can miss a game for soreness, but the other guy is gonna have to play through it.

Or if both of them have the flu, then you're gonna have to shoot one of them up with whatever antibiotics you can find and throw him out on the court.

Something is sore when it is overworked. Overworked leads to instability, which then leads to injury. If something is sore, especially with those two, we better take every precaution or we will be paying for it dearly when they get legitimately hurt.

[RHODEY]

skip to my lou at this point is a way better basketball player than brandon ennings.

Watch on YouTube

Agreed he sux

[HEZI]

Rose has played 166 regular season games total since 2011. There is a major difference between the injury history of the players you mentioned above and Derrick Rose.

2011-12 was a lockout year

He got injured that year in the playoffs

Took off an entire year to recover, even though he was cleared to play

The doctors told him he was likely going to tear his meniscus because the other knee was overcompensating and the stress would cause the meniscus to tear. It did. Twice.

Those are fully recoverable injuries and he's recovered from them. So what's the difference?

Amare recovered from his injuries too. Did that not make him injury prone still? Was he a player you could depend on night in and night out?

And also, define "recovered", because Rose has not returned to his pre-injury form.

Amare had a different type of injury, more severe that required microfracture surgery. Rose had the same procedure as Chris Paul and Russell Westrbook to repair his meniscus, arthroscopic. He hasn't had any problems with the knee where he tore his ACL.

He has recovered, he just doesn't take the same risks. He is still as quick as ever and fast as lighting, can still get up above the rim, he just remains mindful of his body now and isn't as reckless as before.

[blueNorange]

The point is they don't have to play 82 games in order for the Knicks to have success

bwahahhaah what?

if noah and rose both play 60 games then the knicks will be top 5 in the lottery. the knicks entire season depends on rose and noah, 2 injury prone players.

So there is no middle huh? It's either 60 or 82, nothing in the middle? What if Rose plays 75 and Noah plays 70?

they're not, errgo injury prone.

[blueNorange]

How are we supposed to control which games these players get injured for?

Depends on the hypothetical.

Say both guys have something that is "sore". Not broken, sprained, torn, hyperextended. Just talking soreness.

One of them can miss a game for soreness, but the other guy is gonna have to play through it.

Or if both of them have the flu, then you're gonna have to shoot one of them up with whatever antibiotics you can find and throw him out on the court.

Something is sore when it is overworked. Overworked leads to instability, which then leads to injury. If something is sore, especially with those two, we better take every precaution or we will be paying for it dearly when they get legitimately hurt.

and if the knicks have the approach of taking every precaution then boy was it dumb to give noah, an injury prone player, a max contract.

[HEZI]

bwahahhaah what?

if noah and rose both play 60 games then the knicks will be top 5 in the lottery. the knicks entire season depends on rose and noah, 2 injury prone players.

So there is no middle huh? It's either 60 or 82, nothing in the middle? What if Rose plays 75 and Noah plays 70?

they're not, errgo injury prone.