The Official Lin Net Thread

jbeachboy · Post #641 » by **jbeachboy** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:36 pm

lin isnt averaging 19 ppg

bws94 · Post #642 » by **bws94** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:27 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:I don't think Lin will ever shake off the "TO prone" reputation...because that's who he is as a player, that's how he plays...from his high school days, to college, to pro... you can check his TO ratios...he is an ultra aggressive player and you don't want to change that...you don't want a safer Lin to be on the court, which will totally mess up his game... for any team and coach, if they want an effective Lin, they have to live with his TOs....

He plays a lot of the game without turning it over, then he has a series of TOs, like 3 or so. And if he gets a charging foul or two, it's a 5 TO game. Sometimes players need to adjust to his quick, close passes. He'll sometimes get stripped going in for layups and such. He has some TOs, so do a lot of players. Some of the top players in the league are high TO players.

bws94 · Post #643 » by **bws94** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:35 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:
reelsgm wrote:Detractors detract and denigrators denigrate.

What, no "haters gonna hate"?!

Yeah, I predict Lin will average around 3 turnovers per game in ~34min/game as a starting PG this year, which will make him around league average. The turnover prone label is a non-issue. As is his "can't go left" or "no defense" issues.

Lin could average 19pts / 8 asts, which would make him a top 10 PG. Add this to the top 5 center Lopez, a potential top 10 defensive player in RHJ, and good role players like Booker and a 35 win season doesn't look so out of reach. I think a lot depends on Levert's development, we really need a two-way player on the wings.

Lin may struggle for the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the season. Lin facilitates well, but that's not the same as running the offense as a PG. He depends a lot on player movement while he probes. Sometimes he'll pick up his dribble when he has the ball and has no other choice but to pass or wait for the safe pass to a player coming near to him. His most exciting facilitation is in the open court, so I hope there are a lot of fast breaks also I hope that there are a lot of guys cutting to the rim because Lin can throw on-the-money lobs from any part of the court.

The reason why I think he may struggle, and I say may because I'm not sure, is there were hints of it when he played PG on the Hornets. But it is a different system, Atkinson is a different coach and great player-development coach. But I wouldn't take Lin's age of 28 as meaning he's got the PG role down, he's actually a combo guard the past seasons and he'll have a transition back to every-day PG going up against the best PGs game after game. And yes, I know about the few games he started, but really, as a Hornet he went up against the not so tough defending Kyrie Irving in his one game as a PG. All the other starts was filling in for Batum at the 2, not for Kemba at the 1.

Also this season he'll be defended by Bradley (who he seems to handle well), Westbrook, Paul, and say on Charlotte, if he's healthy, MKG. And against the Knicks he'll see some of Courtney Lee. And Rose/Lee traps. I think there will be an adjustment period that Lin will handle, but in time.

ChokeFasncists · Post #644 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:25 am

jbeachboy wrote:did anyone want rondo or a different point guard besides jeremy lin? i was ok with either way they wanted to go. i was hyped about lin cause i remember how he transformed that knicks team when he got to run the show.

That was seriously unreal.

Glad to know that Atkinson was a big part of that.

ChokeFasncists · Post #645 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:25 am

Johnstarks wrote:I don't really think he can improve much more unless he adds a 3pt shot to his arsenal. Ballhandling isn't something that typically magically improves this late in your career. His athleticism is the strength of his game and that will only decline as he ages.

Having a starting gig may increase his confidence and his shooting is absolutely something that can blossom late in your career. It will really define whether he moves into the upper half tier of pg. Right now he's probably in the mid 20s and there are an awful lot of pg in the pipeline who could pass him in the next few years. Fultz, smith, payne, russell, mudiay, exum, Dunn etc

He'll be fine. He did add a 3pt shot to his arsenal. It was improving each year. It was just his shooting form change that messed it up last season.

His ball handling was improved a great deal last year. It's not magic tho, it was real good coaching compared to real bad coaching; Cliff/Silas vs BS/McFail.

He used to get his ball stolen a lot, it wasn't happening much towards the end of last season. Cliff had him play conservatively in terms of passing, that cut his TOs some. He lost the bad habit of jumping in the air without a plan. Most of his TOs came from charging and passes that were a bit difficult for the receivers to handle or got figured out by the thieves.

DartboardT · Post #646 » by **DartboardT** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:08 am

bws94, I think we agree that Lin should eventually be fine.

Best to assume the early going will be fugly for the whole team for expectations purposes, of course. At least with the theoretically clean slate and Brook being a proven, still-in-his-prime + team player (hope that plantar deal is done with by preseason), there won't be any incentive other than to find the best mix of players and grind it out every night in search of wins. No "I'm starting Hairston basically because I like him" or any weird built-in favoritism like that, I would hope.

I seem to remember Lin drawing LOTS of double-teams and aggressive defenders during his time on the Hornets. Teams didn't leave him alone then and they won't now, so I don't think there's gonna be a *huge* ramp-up in defensive intensity on him. It's true that as a full-time PG, he'll spend more time dealing with starter-class defenders than the past couple seasons.

DartboardT · Post #647 » by **DartboardT** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 3:12 am

For John's benefit, I'll repost Lin's by-month 3PT% stats during 15-16:

Read on Twitter

spaceballer · Post #648 » by **spaceballer** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:09 am

More JLin DOTA stuff. A pair of ESPN articles and video, including JLin comparing NBA players to DOTA characters. Dude can't even grab a plate of food without being accosted in the hallway by random strangers for pictures :lol:

Spoiler:

JLin with the founder of the charity One Day's Wages. Looks like the two of them have something planned for this fall:

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JLin spending time with the family of a 7yr old child battling cancer. He first came into contact with them during a Hornets game in Chicago last season. Looks like they've kept in touch.

Spoiler:

New Nets fashion accessory in China:

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Braids are gone:

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The one thing about JLin is that you never lack news content, following him is never boring. I wonder who helps him manage his time and commitments. He's fitting a ton of things into the span of a couple of days.

DartboardT · Post #649 » by **DartboardT** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 6:21 am

He's with Whistle Sports, has been around 2 yrs I think?

Aside from that and a couple other partnerships, maybe a social media manager type we don't know about?, JLin is very social-media savvy. I mean, ever since those How to Get into Harvard days...

DartboardT · Post #650 » by **DartboardT** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:55 pm

Moving to this thread:

CalamityX12 wrote:someone mentioned in one of these threads that Lin is our only true ball handler out there in most projected starting lineups...

that has me concerned TBH....

should we, as fans, consider perhaps moving Foye into Starting lineup with Lin? thus bringing two ball handlers out there? maybe not ideal nor recommended but we need another ball handler out there.

Unless we feel RHJ is adequate enough.

I feel like the bigger concern is whether you have five on the floor that can just plain move the ball.

As a Hornet, Lin actually had offensive sequences when he was on the floor with Kemba and/or Nic and didn't even get a touch. Lin is quite capable of breaking down defenses and drawing more players than the opposing coach might have schemed for, so, yeah, certain of those sequences were head-scratchers to me.

So if you have players who're fine with keeping the ball moving (Hornets were only average on that score overall), you don't necessarily need two "pure playmakers" at all times. Lin has great bball IQ. Set a pick/screen for him, he can use his court vision and figure out the rest. People think Lin has to dominate the ball. Well, PGs will tend to have it longer than any other player not named Harden, LeBron, etc., but Lin's problem has been the general unwillingness of others on his prior teams to *route* the ball through his hands. A really great, somewhat subtle example of what can happen if you remember Lin's on the floor

...Game 5 vs. the Heat.

Watch on YouTube

CLee had a pretty terribad stat line that night, but Lin knew what Lee could do beyond the arc. He played point guard for two-tenths of a second, but to tremendous effect. If Lin had taken the jumper instead and Lee passed to Kemba after the rebound, what would've happened? It's a little thing, but makes all the difference.

spaceballer · Post #651 » by **spaceballer** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:31 am

Roundup of some of today's tidbits.

JLin did a stint as Bleacher Report's "special correspondent" for the DOTA 2 event. Video to be released Monday.

Spoiler:

The Asian American Journalists Association is holding its annual convention in Las Vegas. Bill Clinton is attending and speaking there on behalf of Hillary, and Trump sent Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes as his surrogate. The presidential nominees for the Green Party (Jill Stein) and the Libertarian Party (Gary Johnson) will both be there as well. Jeremy couldn't make it in person, so the AAJA convention organizers asked JLin to do a video message.

Spoiler:

JLin and Landry Fields currently at Seacoast Grace Church for their sharing event this weekend.

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DartboardT · Post #652 » by **DartboardT** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:37 am

Lin might be the only DOTA 2 player in the NBA

that anyone knows about, anyway

Prokorov · Post #653 » by **Prokorov** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:38 am

jbeachboy wrote:lin isnt averaging 19 ppg

id be pretty suprised if he wasnt in that range. who else is going to score besides lopez? maybe not 19 but 15-19 is a lock for sure just for the sheer fact he will probably get 15+ fga a night

Prokorov · Post #654 » by **Prokorov** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:39 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Johnstarks wrote:I don't know the whole deal on Vazquez last year but holy hell there has to be better d league talent than him. How on earth did he get paid again look at his stats?!

I said the same thing but he was injured.

I'm not as high on him though as others. i need to see him produce.

vazques is a sniper from 3, an elite passer with a super high iq.

dont worry about what he did in 20 injury plagued games for the bucks.

sidestep · Post #655 » by **sidestep** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 4:46 am

Prokorov wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Johnstarks wrote:I don't know the whole deal on Vazquez last year but holy hell there has to be better d league talent than him. How on earth did he get paid again look at his stats?!

I said the same thing but he was injured.

I'm not as high on him though as others. i need to see him produce.

vazques is a sniper from 3, an elite passer with a super high iq.

dont worry about what he did in 20 injury plagued games for the bucks.

heh, last year bucks fans were calling him Trashquez. people have short memories.

it's often said it's a PGs league now, or an era of elite PGs, which suggests there's so much talent at that spot. But when you look around for good backup PGs, there are so very few. aside from livingston and vasquez, they are undersized, and tend to be shooters in small bodies instead of actual 5-on-5 kind of players.

there is no better backup PG than vasquez in this year's free agency, excluding TJ. and even for next year, I can't think of anyone obviously better, unless a current starter is willing to come off the bench on the nets.

Roy Tarpley · Post #656 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:51 pm

jbeachboy wrote:lin isnt averaging 19 ppg

Lin averaged 18pts in 25 games as a starter on the Knicks in 2012 (some games had Melo and Stat to share the scoring with).
Lin averaged 14pts in 33 games as a starter on the Rockets in 2013-14 (tied with Terrences Jones and Pat Beverley as the #4 option behind Harden, Howard, and Parsons).
Lin averaged 18pts in 13 games as a starter on the Hornets in 2015-16 (most games sharing with Kemba or Batum).

19ppg is totally doable on this Nets team.

Prokorov · Post #657 » by **Prokorov** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:01 pm

sidestep wrote:e]
heh, last year bucks fans were calling him Trashquez. people have short memories.

no, people just dont watch the games or keep up with the league. OF COURSE bucks fans hated the guy... they traded a recent first round pick for 1 year of Grevis who who played 20 injury plagued games before being shut down for the season.

anyone who actually follows the sport knows the player Grevis is. he is a 1 way guy, but a super high IQ one who is goign to kill you if you leave him open from three, always find the open man, and hurt you in the PnR.

there is no better backup PG than vasquez in this year's free agency, excluding TJ. and even for next year, I can't think of anyone obviously better, unless a current starter is willing to come off the bench on the nets.

completely agree. you wont find many better backup PGs then Grevis. and there are starters id take him over. his D sucks but PG defense isnt super important and his offense and ability to play on and off the ball shouldnt be overlooked

shakendfries · Post #658 » by **shakendfries** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:52 pm

So what does Lin have to accomplish to surpass dwill as the best post-Kidd Nets PG? Lin doesn't have any expectations, and turning into an average Jeff Teague esque PG would constitute a success to me but I'm curious as to what accomplishment ppl think could put him into the upper echelon of Nets point guards? This question isn't exclusive to Lin: what is the benchmark of achievement that a Nets PG must meet to surpass dwill's uninspired legacy?

DartboardT · Post #659 » by **DartboardT** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:34 pm

I think you answered your own question - a playmaker who can bend the arc of games.

Not that it'll be easy to spot with this season's they're-supposed-to-be-worse-than-the-freaking-76ers Nets, of course.

If Nets can see something halfway close to this (well, now and then), I think they'll be more than fine with Lin for this year.

Watch on YouTube

hood30 · Post #660 » by **hood30** » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:50 pm

Prokorov wrote:
jbeachboy wrote:lin isnt averaging 19 ppg

id be pretty suprised if he wasnt in that range. who else is going to score besides lopez? maybe not 19 but 15-19 is a lock for sure just for the sheer fact he will probably get 15+ fga a night

I'll say Lin would average between 15-17ppg..I can't see him scoring more than that because team will pay special attention to him since he's about the only legit NBA player in the starting 5...Lin has never really gotten so much attention by opposing teams on a regular basis, so we don't know how he'll deal with it when he's the focus of team's defense every night.

If Lin/lopez can get going early, I see team forcing guys like RHJ and Booker to take outside shots by leaving them wide open and pressing hard on Lin/Lopez PnR....

Basically, team will force RHJ and Booker to beat them by knocking down open jump shots consistently....This is exactly why it was important to get enough shooters around Lin/Lopez..I'd rather get beat by Booker/RHJ than allow Lin/Lopez Pnr to beat me.