Wade thread #2; Update: Press Conference info page 9

JordansBulls · Post #421 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:59 am

ChicagoStrong wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Dwyane Wade he will win mvp this year.

What's funny about that?

Post #422 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 4:33 am

JordansBulls wrote:Rondo should come off the bench, you don't bench a top 5 player in the league.

This **** is trolling. It has to be.

JordansBulls · Post #423 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:05 pm

Mark K wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Rondo should come off the bench, you don't bench a top 5 player in the league.

This **** is trolling. It has to be.

How is that any different from saying Dwade should come off the bench?

Post #424 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:47 pm

JordansBulls wrote:How is that any different from saying Dwade should come off the bench?

If you honestly believe that Wade will win an MVP at age 35 and are genuine about that, your analysis and prediction game needs work because you're going to be extremely disappointed next season when he doesn't "cancel out Lebron".

JordansBulls · Post #425 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:00 pm

Mark K wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:How is that any different from saying Dwade should come off the bench?

If you honestly believe that Wade will win an MVP at age 35 and are genuine about that, your analysis and prediction game needs work because you're going to be extremely disappointed next season when he doesn't "cancel out Lebron".

Well both MJ (I know it is MJ) and Karl Malone won MVP at age 35 and I think Wade will have something to prove next season to doubters. I don't expect many to believe he will win it, just like I didn't expect many to believe Rose would in 2011 either nor that Nash would in 2005. Both Rose in 2011 and Nash in 2005 were pretty much far fetched before the season started and they ended up winning league mvp. Heck even Curry in 2015 before the season was probably far fetched.

Johnstarks · Post #426 » by **Johnstarks** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:02 pm

Wade is done as a primary scoring option he's just taking away opportunities from Butler and messing up the Bulls spacing. He could probably still come in and lead the 2nd units though

WIN · Post #427 » by **WIN** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:14 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
Mark K wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:How is that any different from saying Dwade should come off the bench?

If you honestly believe that Wade will win an MVP at age 35 and are genuine about that, your analysis and prediction game needs work because you're going to be extremely disappointed next season when he doesn't "cancel out Lebron".

Well both MJ (I know it is MJ) and Karl Malone won MVP at age 35 and I think Wade will have something to prove next season to doubters. I don't expect many to believe he will win it, just like I didn't expect many to believe Rose would in 2011 either nor that Nash would in 2005. Both Rose in 2011 and Nash in 2005 were pretty much far fetched before the season started and they ended up winning league mvp. Heck even Curry in 2015 before the season was probably far fetched.

Physically, Wade just isn't capable of putting up MVP numbers. His body just can't do it.

He definitely is capable of taking over games here and there, and in the playoffs I'm sure he'll be great if we do make it that far, but to expect him to do so over a full season (or close to it), which MVP candidates have to do, isn't realistic.

Benedict Miller · Post #428 » by **Benedict Miller** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:14 pm

Mark K wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:How is that any different from saying Dwade should come off the bench?

If you honestly believe that Wade will win an MVP at age 35 and are genuine about that, your analysis and prediction game needs work because you're going to be extremely disappointed next season when he doesn't "cancel out Lebron".

He also said that Taj Gibson's better than Dennis Rodman. And that we'd beat the Cavs this year.

Red Larrivee · Post #429 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:26 pm

Johnstarks wrote:Wade is done as a primary scoring option he's just taking away opportunities from Butler and messing up the Bulls spacing. He could probably still come in and lead the 2nd units though

Wade almost led a Miami team to the ECF, that really shouldn't have got to a Game 7 with Toronto.

He's easily still a Top 2-3 scoring option on a team.

Bulls03 · Post #430 » by **Bulls03** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:48 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
Johnstarks wrote:Wade is done as a primary scoring option he's just taking away opportunities from Butler and messing up the Bulls spacing. He could probably still come in and lead the 2nd units though

Wade almost led a Miami team to the ECF, that really shouldn't have got to a Game 7 with Toronto.

He's easily still a Top 2-3 scoring option on a team.

Yea lol. People are really overlooking him on here for some reason. He was a top 5 player in the playoffs.

Johnstarks · Post #431 » by **Johnstarks** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:37 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
Johnstarks wrote:Wade is done as a primary scoring option he's just taking away opportunities from Butler and messing up the Bulls spacing. He could probably still come in and lead the 2nd units though

Wade almost led a Miami team to the ECF, that really shouldn't have got to a Game 7 with Toronto.

He's easily still a Top 2-3 scoring option on a team.

Yeah but he doesn't have Whiteside anymore. This is kinda a welcome to reality year for wade with no lebron or whiteside

erlim · Post #432 » by **erlim** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:08 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
Johnstarks wrote:Wade is done as a primary scoring option he's just taking away opportunities from Butler and messing up the Bulls spacing. He could probably still come in and lead the 2nd units though

Wade almost led a Miami team to the ECF, that really shouldn't have got to a Game 7 with Toronto.

He's easily still a Top 2-3 scoring option on a team.

I agree with you that he has elite scoring talent, but it´s going to be diluted big time on this Bulls roster. Butler scores the same way, so the paint is gonna be packed. Wade is better playing off ball than Rose, so in some ways it could be a roster improvement, and Wade definitely has something in the tank. However, I think that his scoring opportunities are going to be diminished the way we are constructed. In the 90s just having two elite slashers and a passer as your core would be dope, but we live in a different world than this Paxson idea.

BeKuK · Post #433 » by **BeKuK** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:11 pm

Johnstarks wrote:Wade is done as a primary scoring option he's just taking away opportunities from Butler and messing up the Bulls spacing. He could probably still come in and lead the 2nd units though

Well, I wouldn't say that based on his last season with the Heat. He led his Heat Team almost to the ECF (as Red already mentioned).
I don't even see him taking away opportunities. I mean who the hell is also able to score 18-20 Points per game (reliable) next season except Butler and Wade? I don't see anybody currently.

Let's take a look at some Wade Stats from 2015/16

Per 36 min
22,5 Points

FG 8,6 (career average 8,6) FGA 18,9 (career average 17,7)

Yah, his offensive rating per 100 possessions 103 (career average 110) doesn't look that good anymore but still good enough for this Bulls roster.

I just hope it works well with Rondo, Wade and Butler.....that's what they have to get done. We are not a contender, not even Close, but we could have a fun Team.....at least less injuries than before...and that means a lot to me!

Benedict Miller · Post #434 » by **Benedict Miller** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:42 pm

This team will be done after this season, while missing out on superstar type prospects in the draft.

Red Larrivee · Post #435 » by **Red Larrivee** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:04 pm

Benedict Miller wrote:This team will be done after this season, while missing out on superstar type prospects in the draft.

That's not factual though.

The upcoming draft will be good but to this point no prospect has been deemed as a franchise, can't-miss level player. Not to mention, the Bulls would not be guaranteed to finish as one of the worst teams to get those hypothetical superstars.

Post #436 » by **DuckIII** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:10 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
Mark K wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:How is that any different from saying Dwade should come off the bench?

If you honestly believe that Wade will win an MVP at age 35 and are genuine about that, your analysis and prediction game needs work because you're going to be extremely disappointed next season when he doesn't "cancel out Lebron".

Well both MJ (I know it is MJ) and Karl Malone won MVP at age 35 and I think Wade will have something to prove next season to doubters. I don't expect many to believe he will win it, just like I didn't expect many to believe Rose would in 2011 either nor that Nash would in 2005. Both Rose in 2011 and Nash in 2005 were pretty much far fetched before the season started and they ended up winning league mvp. Heck even Curry in 2015 before the season was probably far fetched.

I am going with Brandon Jennings. It's far fetched but hey, you never know right?

Benedict Miller · Post #437 » by **Benedict Miller** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:01 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
Benedict Miller wrote:This team will be done after this season, while missing out on superstar type prospects in the draft.

That's not factual though.

The upcoming draft will be good but to this point no prospect has been deemed as a franchise, can't-miss level player. Not to mention, the Bulls would not be guaranteed to finish as one of the worst teams to get those hypothetical superstars.

This is the best time to at least make a trade, because as currently constructed, this team isn't going anywhere anyway, while we miss out on great, young prospects.

Bulls03 · Post #438 » by **Bulls03** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:21 pm

Also being overlooked is the fact that guys like PG, LeBron (who Wade basically cancels out every time they play), Kawhi, etc. will only be able to guard 1 of Wade or Butler. Kind of like what happened with the Heat, LeBron was guarded by the best defender while Wade scored a super efficient 20+ and Wade is better physically now then he was the last 2 years of the big 3 era.

Lol at the comment that Wade doesn't have Whiteside anymore. I believe that I saw more than 50% of whitesides production came from passes from Wade. Wade didn't have Whiteside in the 2nd round and balled.

For those who don't know Wade led every statistical category for offense and defense in the clutch in the playoffs up until the time they were eliminated.

As some have said were not contenders but anything could happen over the course of a long season such as a trade or maybe the Bosh situation gets bad and he wants a buyout and wants to play with his best friend. Also a team with Wade and Butler in a playoff setting is going to push opposing teams to their limit.

Bulls03 · Post #439 » by **Bulls03** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:24 pm

I honestly like the set up for the most part. While another shooter would be nice, we have better shooters than the Heat did last year with the exception of possibly JRich. The Heat did just fine last year and probably would've made the ECF if Whiteside didn't go out. Might've made it interesting in the ECF with Whiteisde and Bosh healthy.

Red Larrivee · Post #440 » by **Red Larrivee** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:32 pm

Benedict Miller wrote:This is the best time to at least make a trade, because as currently constructed, this team isn't going anywhere anyway, while we miss out on great, young prospects.

Even if the Bulls traded Butler, they wouldn't have been one of the worst teams in the league on paper. Unless of course they sold him purely for future draft picks, but that was never going to happen. As a result, we're not missing out on great, young prospects.