Wade thread #2; Update: Press Conference info page 9

[Ctownbulls]

Wade is done as a primary scoring option he's just taking away opportunities from Butler and messing up the Bulls spacing. He could probably still come in and lead the 2nd units though

Wade almost led a Miami team to the ECF, that really shouldn't have got to a Game 7 with Toronto.

He's easily still a Top 2-3 scoring option on a team.

Yea lol. People are really overlooking him on here for some reason. He was a top 5 player in the playoffs.

He IS a top 5 player in the playoffs.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

[Bulls03]

Wade almost led a Miami team to the ECF, that really shouldn't have got to a Game 7 with Toronto.

He's easily still a Top 2-3 scoring option on a team.

Yea lol. People are really overlooking him on here for some reason. He was a top 5 player in the playoffs.

He IS a top 5 player in the playoffs.

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

Yes he definitely still is and will be this coming year as well. I was just talking about last years playoffs.

[Benedict Miller]

This is the best time to at least make a trade, because as currently constructed, this team isn't going anywhere anyway, while we miss out on great, young prospects.

Even if the Bulls traded Butler, they wouldn't have been one of the worst teams in the league on paper. Unless of course they sold him purely for future draft picks, but that was never going to happen. As a result, we're not missing out on great, young prospects.

Ok, but rumors had the Bulls possibly getting Celtics #3 pick, players, plus their Nets 2017 pick if the Jimmy trade fell through and we all know how bad the Nets are gonna be. I'm saying that now would be the time for that kind of trade. It would never happen, but why not take a chance on having a guy like Harry Giles on your team? This team is a temporary fix and we might be mediocre for a long time unless we get young stars.

[the ultimates]

This is the best time to at least make a trade, because as currently constructed, this team isn't going anywhere anyway, while we miss out on great, young prospects.

Even if the Bulls traded Butler, they wouldn't have been one of the worst teams in the league on paper. Unless of course they sold him purely for future draft picks, but that was never going to happen. As a result, we're not missing out on great, young prospects.

Ok, but rumors had the Bulls possibly getting Celtics #3 pick, players, plus their Nets 2017 pick if the Jimmy trade fell through and we all know how bad the Nets are gonna be. I'm saying that now would be the time for that kind of trade. It would never happen, but why not take a chance on having a guy like Harry Giles on your team? This team is a temporary fix and we might be mediocre for a long time unless we get young stars.

Which rumors were those? The nets picks were never put on the table by the Celtics. Boston was also looking at Parker, Middleton, and Heyward according to Mark Stein at ESPN. None of those deals happened because the Brooklyn picks weren't involved.

[Red Larrivee]

Ok, but rumors had the Bulls possibly getting Celtics #3 pick, players, plus their Nets 2017 pick if the Jimmy trade fell through and we all know how bad the Nets are gonna be. I'm saying that now would be the time for that kind of trade. It would never happen, but why not take a chance on having a guy like Harry Giles on your team? This team is a temporary fix and we might be mediocre for a long time unless we get young stars.

There was no reported deals that included any of Brooklyn's pick for Butler. The deal was supposedly centered around Kris Dunn (#3 pick) and players from Boston. That's a big undersell in value for a player like Butler.

And if we don't get Harry Giles, then what? And if we do, how do we know that a player (who's torn his ACL twice) is going to hold up long enough to build a legitimate championship contender? We've gone that route before in 1999-2004 and it didn't work out.

[jnrjr79]

This is the best time to at least make a trade, because as currently constructed, this team isn't going anywhere anyway, while we miss out on great, young prospects.

Even if the Bulls traded Butler, they wouldn't have been one of the worst teams in the league on paper. Unless of course they sold him purely for future draft picks, but that was never going to happen. As a result, we're not missing out on great, young prospects.

Ok, but rumors had the Bulls possibly getting Celtics #3 pick, players, plus their Nets 2017 pick if the Jimmy trade fell through and we all know how bad the Nets are gonna be. I'm saying that now would be the time for that kind of trade. It would never happen, but why not take a chance on having a guy like Harry Giles on your team? This team is a temporary fix and we might be mediocre for a long time unless we get young stars.

Not to pile on, but if you have a link to any rumor that included the BK pick, I'd be quite interested. I saw nothing of the sort.

[Johnstarks]

Wade a top five player in the LEAGUE? Good grief basketball is just one of those sports where people are so slow to catch on when a player isn't the same guy anymore.

You'd have an extremely hard time selling anyone that he's a top 50 player, let alone top 5. For some reason people just have a hard time recognizing the value of guys like Tristan thompson, Steven adams, or Andre Drummond because they aren't scorers but all of these guys are significantly better players than dwyane wade at this point.

I mean he's closer to becoming a negative value player than a star. He doesn't rebound, his ast/to isn't that good anymore, his shooting is abysmal, and he isn't an impact player on defense anymore. On top of all that he cramps spacing, has a disgustingly high usage rate, and practically ensures your offense will not be ranked in the top 10 overall in efficiency.

He did have a good stretch of playoff games but i bet his shooting was an anomaly and more a function of sample size than renewed ability. Even still, he was nowhere near the level of a top 5 nba player in the playoffs.

Chalk up his health concerns and age and I could easily see him falling outside the top half of all nba players in Vorp this year or next.

I mean don't get me wrong d.wade is an all time great. But so is Bob pettit.

[the ultimates]

Wade a top five player in the LEAGUE? Good grief basketball is just one of those sports where people are so slow to catch on when a player isn't the same guy anymore.

You'd have an extremely hard time selling anyone that he's a top 50 player, let alone top 5. For some reason people just have a hard time recognizing the value of guys like Tristan thompson, Steven adams, or Andre Drummond because they aren't scorers but all of these guys are significantly better players than dwyane wade at this point.

I mean he's closer to becoming a negative value player than a star. He doesn't rebound, his ast/to isn't that good anymore, his shooting is abysmal, and he isn't an impact player on defense anymore. On top of all that he cramps spacing, has a disgustingly high usage rate, and practically ensures your offense will not be ranked in the top 10 overall in efficiency.

He did have a good stretch of playoff games but i bet his shooting was an anomaly and more a function of sample size than renewed ability. Even still, he was nowhere near the level of a top 5 nba player in the playoffs.

Chalk up his health concerns and age and I could easily see him falling outside the top half of all nba players in Vorp this year or next.

I mean don't get me wrong d.wade is an all time great. But so is Bob pettit.

Look it's over the top if someone says he's a top five player or mvp candidate. It's also over the top to say he's not even a top 50 player in the league. It amazing how he was the best player on a team that won 48 games and got to the second all with the heat not being a good three point shooting team.

[League Circles]

Jesus Christ. Dwyane Wade, with his "abysmal shooting", is significantly more efficient than Andre Drummond, and scores more than twice as many points per minute than Adams and Thompson. He also averages 5 boards per 36 at the SG position. But he "doesn't rebound", right?

[ATRAIN53]

Wade a top five player in the LEAGUE? Good grief basketball is just one of those sports where people are so slow to catch on when a player isn't the same guy anymore.

We may be getting him with high mileage at 34 but he's coming here motivated and totally psyched to play in his hometown. I'd take that gamble with him at age 37 he's that good of an NBA player. This is a 1st ballot HOF guy, how many of those are in the NBA currently?

As great as LeBron is, he told us all that beyond wanting to win a title for the 'land....
He had a little extra motivation - he wanted to prove Pat Riley wrong for telling him that leaving MIA was a mistake.

Wade is coming here with that same chip. He wants Riley to know that He should have been Priority #1 on 7/1, not Hasan Whiteside. I'm not sure what his career high for points in a game is - but that will probably be shattered when he visits MIA for the first time this season.

You stick Pat in a court side seat and he may put up 100. Riley will be watching from a box in the corner and be silent that whole week leading up to that game.

[Ralphb07]

Even if the Bulls traded Butler, they wouldn't have been one of the worst teams in the league on paper. Unless of course they sold him purely for future draft picks, but that was never going to happen. As a result, we're not missing out on great, young prospects.

Ok, but rumors had the Bulls possibly getting Celtics #3 pick, players, plus their Nets 2017 pick if the Jimmy trade fell through and we all know how bad the Nets are gonna be. I'm saying that now would be the time for that kind of trade. It would never happen, but why not take a chance on having a guy like Harry Giles on your team? This team is a temporary fix and we might be mediocre for a long time unless we get young stars.

Not to pile on, but if you have a link to any rumor that included the BK pick, I'd be quite interested. I saw nothing of the sort.

Yeah, Boston didn't offer it which is why the deal never happen. It depends on who you talk to but it was Dunn, 16th pick and one of Jae, a Smart or Bradley.

[MC3]

Boston never offered BKN pick(s). So deal wasnt made.

We were low balled whole draft night. Both by Minny and Celtics.

[Bulls03]

Wade a top five player in the LEAGUE? Good grief basketball is just one of those sports where people are so slow to catch on when a player isn't the same guy anymore.

You'd have an extremely hard time selling anyone that he's a top 50 player, let alone top 5. For some reason people just have a hard time recognizing the value of guys like Tristan thompson, Steven adams, or Andre Drummond because they aren't scorers but all of these guys are significantly better players than dwyane wade at this point.

I mean he's closer to becoming a negative value player than a star. He doesn't rebound, his ast/to isn't that good anymore, his shooting is abysmal, and he isn't an impact player on defense anymore. On top of all that he cramps spacing, has a disgustingly high usage rate, and practically ensures your offense will not be ranked in the top 10 overall in efficiency.

He did have a good stretch of playoff games but i bet his shooting was an anomaly and more a function of sample size than renewed ability. Even still, he was nowhere near the level of a top 5 nba player in the playoffs.

Chalk up his health concerns and age and I could easily see him falling outside the top half of all nba players in Vorp this year or next.

I mean don't get me wrong d.wade is an all time great. But so is Bob pettit.

Top 5 player in the PLAYOFFS. he balled out and put that team on his back especially with Bosh and Whiteside out. He also led basically every statistical category for offense and defense in clutch situations. Not top 50? Lmao!

[kyrv]

Wade a top five player in the LEAGUE? Good grief basketball is just one of those sports where people are so slow to catch on when a player isn't the same guy anymore.

You'd have an extremely hard time selling anyone that he's a top 50 player, let alone top 5. For some reason people just have a hard time recognizing the value of guys like Tristan thompson, Steven adams, or Andre Drummond because they aren't scorers but all of these guys are significantly better players than dwyane wade at this point.

I mean he's closer to becoming a negative value player than a star. He doesn't rebound, his ast/to isn't that good anymore, his shooting is abysmal, and he isn't an impact player on defense anymore. On top of all that he cramps spacing, has a disgustingly high usage rate, and practically ensures your offense will not be ranked in the top 10 overall in efficiency.

He did have a good stretch of playoff games but i bet his shooting was an anomaly and more a function of sample size than renewed ability. Even still, he was nowhere near the level of a top 5 nba player in the playoffs.

Chalk up his health concerns and age and I could easily see him falling outside the top half of all nba players in Vorp this year or next.

I mean don't get me wrong d.wade is an all time great. But so is Bob pettit.

Top 5 player in the PLAYOFFS. he balled out and put that team on his back especially with Bosh and Whiteside out. He also led basically every statistical category for offense and defense in clutch situations. Not top 50? Lmao!

Ya I'm not sure it's fair to expect the same playoff Wade but I'll take anything in the ballpark. That would rock.

[push]

Can somebody save this thread and the page where the news broke that Wade would be letting gar know he's signing here so we can come back to it in the middle of the season?

[Benedict Miller]

Ok, but rumors had the Bulls possibly getting Celtics #3 pick, players, plus their Nets 2017 pick if the Jimmy trade fell through and we all know how bad the Nets are gonna be. I'm saying that now would be the time for that kind of trade. It would never happen, but why not take a chance on having a guy like Harry Giles on your team? This team is a temporary fix and we might be mediocre for a long time unless we get young stars.

There was no reported deals that included any of Brooklyn's pick for Butler. The deal was supposedly centered around Kris Dunn (#3 pick) and players from Boston. That's a big undersell in value for a player like Butler.

And if we don't get Harry Giles, then what? And if we do, how do we know that a player (who's torn his ACL twice) is going to hold up long enough to build a legitimate championship contender? We've gone that route before in 1999-2004 and it didn't work out.

I apologize, I thought I read those specifics from someone on draft night, and I misunderstood.

But to your point, yes we have gone that route, but only because we were that bad. Also, Giles was only used as an example, but there are other players than Giles who have more upside than Jimmy and are worth the risk. On top of that we'd still have a good group of guys. Anyway, it's not likely to happen, just wishful thinking.

[Johnstarks]

I just can't believe that anyone really believes Dwyane wade is better than drummond. Drummond doesn't need to score to impact a game. Wade does and he's not a good scorer anymore.

[Bulls03]

I just can't believe that anyone really believes Dwyane wade is better than drummond. Drummond doesn't need to score to impact a game. Wade does and he's not a good scorer anymore.

19 PPG in 30 minutes is a pretty good scorer. Then you look at what he did in the playoffs and realize he's a pretty damn good scorer. He impacts the game by scoring, playmaking, and being the clutchest player in the league in the league. These are just regular season things. When you factor in the level he turns up to in the playoffs he impacts the game in several ways on both offense and defense through the flow of the game and clutch moments. I will try to dig up some things I saw during the playoffs to give people a better understanding of what he did but being the best player on a 48 win team and putting the team on your back with Bosh and Whiteside down and almost advancing to the ECF like this at the age of 34 is pretty amazing.

I honestly can't understand how someone can't be excited to see how this plays out and how multiple people are just giving up on the season already. No one knows what might happen over the course of the long season.

I think a lot of people still have a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to Wade because we thought he was coming to Chicago in 2010 and he's ended our season multiple times but this is something to be excited about. He also got us 34 nationally televised games so that's pretty cool too.

[Bulls03]

Also I didn't even speak on Drummond but he's not the elite defender some try to make him out to be either and he can't be in the game in multiple situation because of his free throw shooting. He's a great rebounder but isn't that good in many other areas and is a liability a lot of the time.

[Johnstarks]

Citing someone's ppg isn't a good way to evaluate their scoring ability. Ppg is a function of how many shots you take. Bulls fans should be familiar with how misleading ppg can be by watching rose firsthand the last few years.

Every team gets roughly the same amount of possessions each game it's what you do with them that counts