2017 Pick Watch (Sac Swap Rights, LAL pick)

the_process · Post #241 » by **the_process** » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:43 pm

The Lakers signing Yi to a 1 year $8M deal is brilliant stealth tanking IMO.

Count on them being in the bottom 3. The question then becomes do Jeannie and Phil then take over?

Orlando never figured they were getting two 2nds out of that pick LOL

SouthJersey · Post #242 » by **SouthJersey** » Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:41 am

oyoyer wrote:The Lakers signing Yi to a 1 year $8M deal is brilliant stealth tanking IMO.

Count on them being in the bottom 3. The question then becomes do Jeannie and Phil then take over?

Orlando never figured they were getting two 2nds out of that pick LOL

That Yi signing doesnt exactly scream power move. But Brooklyn, Sacramento, and Phoenix should all be bad. It's going to be close

LloydFree · Post #243 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:41 am

oyoyer wrote:The Lakers signing Yi to a 1 year $8M deal is brilliant stealth tanking IMO.

Count on them being in the bottom 3. The question then becomes do Jeannie and Phil then take over?

Orlando never figured they were getting two 2nds out of that pick LOL

I didn't realize that the Lakers owed Orlando an unprotected in 2019, if they conveyed their pick to us by 2017. Seems the Lakers are in stealth tank mode, attempting to give us the unprotected 2018 and keep their 2017 and 2019. Can't be mad though. We did the same thing to Miami, 3 years ago.

The Heat will be tanking right behind them, trying to get a good pick this year, before having to convey the picks they owe to Phoenix. Those two teams might try to beat Brooklyn to the bottom spot this year. Bad news for our own pick, but good news in that Boston's Brooklyn pick, will have active competition for the most ping pong balls.

Worm122 · Post #244 » by **Worm122** » Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:59 pm

How bad the Pelicans will be?

wickedwrister · Post #245 » by **wickedwrister** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 2:17 pm

Worm122 wrote:How bad the Pelicans will be?

Not bad enough unless Davis suffers a major injury. If he does they are a bottom 3-4 team in the league.

TFK · Post #246 » by **TFK** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:05 pm

So do we now add Jazz, Knicks, Pistons and Warriors to this draft tracker? Ha! J/k please don't

eagereyez · Post #247 » by **eagereyez** » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:08 am

It's pretty clear that the top prospects the Sixers should be looking out for are Fultz/DSJ/Jackson. Adding any one of those three would fill a huge need for the team.

76thBearCub · Post #248 » by **76thBearCub** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:22 am

That 2018 unprotected Sacramento 1st looks absolutely insane when you consider what was given for it.

76thBearCub · Post #249 » by **76thBearCub** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:41 am

Wait it's 2019 isn't it. Either way it's fantastic.

Ericb5 · Post #250 » by **Ericb5** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:41 am

76thBearCub wrote:That 2018 unprotected Sacramento 1st looks absolutely insane when you consider what was given for it.

2019, but yeah, we gave up nothing for it. One of Hinkie's best moves.

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76thBearCub · Post #251 » by **76thBearCub** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:59 am

Vlade must not be a basketball person.

Dell · Post #252 » by **Dell** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:15 am

Kings have signed Ty Lawson. It could go very well or super badly.

the_process · Post #253 » by **the_process** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:34 pm

Dell wrote:Kings have signed Ty Lawson. It could go very well or super badly.

I like this a lot for the pick swap this year. Greater than 50% chance Cousins blows up on Lawson IMO, Gay already supposedly wants out... they are a bottom 5 team I think.

Sandalf42 · Post #254 » by **Sandalf42** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:19 am

oyoyer wrote:
Dell wrote:Kings have signed Ty Lawson. It could go very well or super badly.

I like this a lot for the pick swap this year. Greater than 50% chance Cousins blows up on Lawson IMO, Gay already supposedly wants out... they are a bottom 5 team I think.

That pick swap is the icing on the cake for this year. Not even remotely concerned about tanking or talk of it. The Kings will be flat out awful. Their past two drafts make absolutely no sense if they keep Cousins, yet they are intent on keeping him. He's already quit on the team, they're bringing in Ty Lawson (who is not only diminished in skill, but has been a reputable "bad apple") , and as you mentioned Rudy Gay wants out. I question whether Gay is an effective SF even when he's in a good situation.

They are a complete mess, and easily a bottom 3 team. My pick to be the worst, but there's always surprises. One of Fultz/Smith/Jackson is a real possibility next year, no matter what we do.

Att · Post #255 » by **Att** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:30 pm

Sandalf42 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:
Dell wrote:Kings have signed Ty Lawson. It could go very well or super badly.

I like this a lot for the pick swap this year. Greater than 50% chance Cousins blows up on Lawson IMO, Gay already supposedly wants out... they are a bottom 5 team I think.

That pick swap is the icing on the cake for this year. Not even remotely concerned about tanking or talk of it. The Kings will be flat out awful. Their past two drafts make absolutely no sense if they keep Cousins, yet they are intent on keeping him. He's already quit on the team, they're bringing in Ty Lawson (who is not only diminished in skill, but has been a reputable "bad apple") , and as you mentioned Rudy Gay wants out. I question whether Gay is an effective SF even when he's in a good situation.

They are a complete mess, and easily a bottom 3 team. My pick to be the worst, but there's always surprises. One of Fultz/Smith/Jackson is a real possibility next year, no matter what we do.

I don't know. They have a good coach now. He can make them into something.
Maybe not good but enough that we need to do really bad to have a shot at a high upside pick.

Ericb5 · Post #256 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:09 pm

Att wrote:
Sandalf42 wrote:
oyoyer wrote:
I like this a lot for the pick swap this year. Greater than 50% chance Cousins blows up on Lawson IMO, Gay already supposedly wants out... they are a bottom 5 team I think.

That pick swap is the icing on the cake for this year. Not even remotely concerned about tanking or talk of it. The Kings will be flat out awful. Their past two drafts make absolutely no sense if they keep Cousins, yet they are intent on keeping him. He's already quit on the team, they're bringing in Ty Lawson (who is not only diminished in skill, but has been a reputable "bad apple") , and as you mentioned Rudy Gay wants out. I question whether Gay is an effective SF even when he's in a good situation.

They are a complete mess, and easily a bottom 3 team. My pick to be the worst, but there's always surprises. One of Fultz/Smith/Jackson is a real possibility next year, no matter what we do.

I don't know. They have a good coach now. He can make them into something.
Maybe not good but enough that we need to do really bad to have a shot at a high upside pick.

They definitely have a good coach now, but Karl was a good coach too.

Their problem isn't necessarily coaching or talent. They have enough talent to be over 500.

Their problem is chemistry, and roster construction. It seems like they have no real plan of what they are trying to do, and Cousins is a great player, but a surly malcontent too.

It would be a miracle imo for him to resign with them in two years, which is conveniently the year before our unprotected pick.

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ET Da Gawd · Post #257 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Thu Sep 1, 2016 10:17 pm

The boy lookin good...we need him for SG

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Att · Post #258 » by **Att** » Fri Sep 2, 2016 10:06 am

Ericb5 wrote:
Att wrote:
Sandalf42 wrote:
That pick swap is the icing on the cake for this year. Not even remotely concerned about tanking or talk of it. The Kings will be flat out awful. Their past two drafts make absolutely no sense if they keep Cousins, yet they are intent on keeping him. He's already quit on the team, they're bringing in Ty Lawson (who is not only diminished in skill, but has been a reputable "bad apple") , and as you mentioned Rudy Gay wants out. I question whether Gay is an effective SF even when he's in a good situation.

They are a complete mess, and easily a bottom 3 team. My pick to be the worst, but there's always surprises. One of Fultz/Smith/Jackson is a real possibility next year, no matter what we do.

I don't know. They have a good coach now. He can make them into something.
Maybe not good but enough that we need to do really bad to have a shot at a high upside pick.

They definitely have a good coach now, but Karl was a good coach too.

Their problem isn't necessarily coaching or talent. They have enough talent to be over 500.

Their problem is chemistry, and roster construction. It seems like they have no real plan of what they are trying to do, and Cousins is a great player, but a surly malcontent too.

It would be a miracle imo for him to resign with them in two years, which is conveniently the year before our unprotected pick.

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Karl was part of the problem there. I believe a good coach can take them much higher.

Ericb5 · Post #259 » by **Ericb5** » Fri Sep 2, 2016 2:05 pm

Att wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Att wrote:I don't know. They have a good coach now. He can make them into something.
Maybe not good but enough that we need to do really bad to have a shot at a high upside pick.

They definitely have a good coach now, but Karl was a good coach too.

Their problem isn't necessarily coaching or talent. They have enough talent to be over 500.

Their problem is chemistry, and roster construction. It seems like they have no real plan of what they are trying to do, and Cousins is a great player, but a surly malcontent too.

It would be a miracle imo for him to resign with them in two years, which is conveniently the year before our unprotected pick.

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Karl was part of the problem there. I believe a good coach can take them much higher.

Karl has a long successful track record of coaching in the NBA, both managing personalities, and on the X's and O's. Not saying that he is in the elite tier of coaches, but he is completely capable of taking a team from 35 to 55 wins. He failed in Sacramento, and I suppose he deserves some blame, but I would put the most blame on the ownership for castrating him when he wanted to discipline Cousins, followed by blaming Cousins himself for being a knucklehead.

When a malcontent like Cousins tries to assert his power, and a coach then tries to clamp it back down, the ownership HAS to support the coach, and they didn't.

Sacramento is in the middle of a slow motion train wreck right now. I think that it is generally understood that the Sixers traded Iverson about 2 years too late, and if the Kings wait for 2 more years they are going to regret it imo. They are committed now to trying it one more time with this new coach, but if I were them I would have thought very hard about trading him this summer.

I don't think that a team with Cousins as its best player will ever be a contender. He is a total stud from the neck down, but he needs to be on a team with another superstar that is the unquestioned leader of the team. The whole Jordan/Rodman dynamic is required to get the most out of him.

Sandalf42 · Post #260 » by **Sandalf42** » Fri Sep 2, 2016 3:24 pm

Att wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
Att wrote:I don't know. They have a good coach now. He can make them into something.
Maybe not good but enough that we need to do really bad to have a shot at a high upside pick.

They definitely have a good coach now, but Karl was a good coach too.

Their problem isn't necessarily coaching or talent. They have enough talent to be over 500.

Their problem is chemistry, and roster construction. It seems like they have no real plan of what they are trying to do, and Cousins is a great player, but a surly malcontent too.

It would be a miracle imo for him to resign with them in two years, which is conveniently the year before our unprotected pick.

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Karl was part of the problem there. I believe a good coach can take them much higher.

What kind of talent does this team have other than cousins, gay, and Lawson? They got Darren collison, Ben mclemore, afflalo, and who else? This team does not have anywhere near the talent to compete with the rest of the west. This team's only saving grace is Cousins, and they've done a thoroughly good job of ticking him off.

Last year Karl did a pretty good job with this team. Mainly, he devised a system that got the best out of rondo and cousins. From what I've Joerger is a good head coach, but I just don't see anything positive about what he has to work with. This team is a disaster. I give Karl credit for last year, I think he got the Kings to overachieve last year, considering the chemistry issues and the complete lack of interest in playing defense. Maybe Joerger can keep the ship afloat, but I just don't see it.