Where is Nerlens?

[the_process]

I wouldn't. Having all of those Centers and PF's trying to learn how to play together is a big waste of time. It will do nothing but negatively impact all of the player's development. I'd rather sacrifice one player for the good of everyone else. The key is to sacrifice the right player.

... and I wouldn't trade Noel to Boston except in exchange for an extreme premium.

And the right player is Jah at a slight discount. But we live in a world where Ainge has sent his hit men in the media to destroy Jah's value. And now to a lot of people, Jah is worth like a 20 pick. Well, that's not close, and if the market is going to be that incorrect, it's not worth dealing with the market. IMO.

Ainge didn't destroy his value. His value is what it is, because the rest of the league saw him play. We have to reconcile the idea that although we spent a top 3 pick on him, he isn't going to return that, because he isn't that kind of player. If they can get a top 10-15 pick or equal level player, that is fair value.

Yeah except (and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Jah) his offensive efficiency for a rookie was just about historic and he is only 20. And a lot of the media bashing is coming from either BOS or national guys with BOS ties. He's worth like a 7 pick plus a bench piece, no less.

I put up a fake trade with BOS and NYK on the fantasy board today I thought was pretty good.

Now I need to shower after defending Jah.

[LloydFree]

And the right player is Jah at a slight discount. But we live in a world where Ainge has sent his hit men in the media to destroy Jah's value. And now to a lot of people, Jah is worth like a 20 pick. Well, that's not close, and if the market is going to be that incorrect, it's not worth dealing with the market. IMO.

Ainge didn't destroy his value. His value is what it is, because the rest of the league saw him play. We have to reconcile the idea that although we spent a top 3 pick on him, he isn't going to return that, because he isn't that kind of player. If they can get a top 10-15 pick or equal level player, that is fair value.

Yeah except (and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Jah) his offensive efficiency for a rookie was just about historic and he is only 20. And a lot of the media bashing is coming from either BOS or national guys with BOS ties. He's worth like a 7 pick plus a bench piece, no less.

I put up a fake trade with BOS and NYK on the fantasy board today I thought was pretty good.

Now I need to shower after defending Jah.

Okafor's offense doesn't need defending. Its his rebounding and defensive potential that has killed his value.

[Unbreakable99]

I would rather play Saric at SG than dump Okafor or Noel for peanuts.

No reason to give in, just announce without saying it that Noel will be matched no matter what. Then when BOS tries to offer sheet him laugh loudly and match.

Then try again to deal one of them.

I wouldn't. Having all of those Centers and PF's trying to learn how to play together is a big waste of time. It will do nothing but negatively impact all of the player's development. I'd rather sacrifice one player for the good of everyone else. The key is to sacrifice the right player.

... and I wouldn't trade Noel to Boston except in exchange for an extreme premium.

And the right player is Jah at a slight discount. But we live in a world where Ainge has sent his hit men in the media to destroy Jah's value. And now to a lot of people, Jah is worth like a 20 pick. Well, that's not close, and if the market is going to be that incorrect, it's not worth dealing with the market. IMO.

Ainge can't destroy Okafor's value. Other GMs won't and don't care what Ainge thinks about Okafor. They have eyes and data to use to evaluate Okafor. If other GMs lower their value of Okafor based on what Ainge says then they aren't good GMs. You could say Ainge is trying to lower Okafor's value to casual and even hardcore fans and media but they aren't the one's who will determine what Okafor's worth is and will have no say in an Okafor trade. Only other GMs have a say. So no Ainge didn't lower Okafor's value.

[Ericb5]

Okafor's value is what it is. The media can change the perceived value among fans, but they aren't going to change the value of GM's.

Okafor is a player on the upswing so his value is as a long term investment more than it is in a current contributor.

He can be both, but he isn't good enough today to be much of a difference maker on a playoff team. That cuts his market down a bit.

If we are going to trade him and get fair value for him, it will have to be to a young team that is going to want to grow with him.

On the flip side, Noel could help just about every team today because he can protect the rim, and that is sort of an ageless skill.

Put him on a contender that needs more rim protection today, and he will improve them.


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[Johnstarks]

Yeah contenders would definitely be interested in renting noel bexcuse he's ready to step in as a starter or heavy contributor for teams that have a hole in the middle. And he'd probably love to demonstrate his value in the playoffs. He's also a rfa so teams can decide to bring him back if he fits well. Sas, cle, gsw, toro could all use him and teams like cha, was, den could as well.

Not many teams are gonna want okafor as he's a total project at this pointand you're stuck with him for two years after this to see if he will ever develop into a serviceable big.

Besides of all the teams he makes the most sense on philly right now. You pair him with simmons and see if they can possibly run the pnr together. He's got good hands. Philly doesn't have anything to lose by trying all these combinations out and seeing what works.

Noel is going to retain his current trade value until midseason and okafor doesn't really have much right now. They need to try to use him in a way that doesn't expose his weaknesses and see if his value improves. There's no point in trading a guy with upside for nothing when you aren't even playoff contendens yet

[Chris4Vikes]

You keep telling yourself that. Noel will be getting 15 minutes a night and his stats will be down. Plus he'll be even closer to being a restricted free agent. A prospective trading partner will say, "You want what for a guy putting up 6 points a night who will command a near max deal in a few months?"

Chris, I haven't kept up with this entire thread, but your posts have been largely respectful from what I have read. Be that as it may, I don't know if you actually believe what you just wrote or you want to believe it. Even if Embid proves healthy, he will most likely be on a restriction to 20 +/- mpg for the first few months of the year and likely will not play in back to backs. Secondly, with Simmons and Saric being able to play multiple positions, Okafor and Noel will get a few minutes at PF and C each game in all likelihood. Third, after watching the ludicrous contracts handed out this summer to guys like E. Turner and T. Mosgov, a team that trades for Noel will at least know they have the inside track to re-sign him. Without trading for him, he's restricted (Philly can just bring him back) and other teams are in the hunt.

For me, I think it makes most sense to part with a big man, but not necessarily before the season begins. If Embid did not have his injury history, I would probably say it should be before the season begins, but as sad as it would be, would anyone be shocked if Embid can't hold up? Yet, how will you know until he plays? If he can't hold up or will always be a limited minutes guy in order to hold up, is it quite as obvious that Philly has to trade Okafor or Noel? Not to me. Whether BC panics at some point, time will tell, but for now, I see absolutely no reason to panic. Meanwhile, if a trade nets you something akin to a better version of G. Henderson, what is the point? If that's what's being offered, I'd sooner roll the dice that a team sustains an injury during the season and/or a team thinks they are one player away from making a run in the playoffs. Those things will increase offers unlike now, where things are pretty stagnant.

Nice post, thank you. I follow all the logic except for one point of disagreement. I don't think giving any of these 3 guys minutes at PF works at all. Okafor and Noel proved this last year, and Embiid is clearly a center. This means that, even if Embiid misses some time, you're back to the Okafor/Noel combo that does not work. But you know what? You likely have more experience in watching this team than me. I fully admit I could be wrong.

If no trades proposed include anything that Philly values, then waiting makes total sense. It's a gamble of course, but maybe one worth taking. I hear ya.

[Ericb5]

You keep telling yourself that. Noel will be getting 15 minutes a night and his stats will be down. Plus he'll be even closer to being a restricted free agent. A prospective trading partner will say, "You want what for a guy putting up 6 points a night who will command a near max deal in a few months?"

Chris, I haven't kept up with this entire thread, but your posts have been largely respectful from what I have read. Be that as it may, I don't know if you actually believe what you just wrote or you want to believe it. Even if Embid proves healthy, he will most likely be on a restriction to 20 +/- mpg for the first few months of the year and likely will not play in back to backs. Secondly, with Simmons and Saric being able to play multiple positions, Okafor and Noel will get a few minutes at PF and C each game in all likelihood. Third, after watching the ludicrous contracts handed out this summer to guys like E. Turner and T. Mosgov, a team that trades for Noel will at least know they have the inside track to re-sign him. Without trading for him, he's restricted (Philly can just bring him back) and other teams are in the hunt.

For me, I think it makes most sense to part with a big man, but not necessarily before the season begins. If Embid did not have his injury history, I would probably say it should be before the season begins, but as sad as it would be, would anyone be shocked if Embid can't hold up? Yet, how will you know until he plays? If he can't hold up or will always be a limited minutes guy in order to hold up, is it quite as obvious that Philly has to trade Okafor or Noel? Not to me. Whether BC panics at some point, time will tell, but for now, I see absolutely no reason to panic. Meanwhile, if a trade nets you something akin to a better version of G. Henderson, what is the point? If that's what's being offered, I'd sooner roll the dice that a team sustains an injury during the season and/or a team thinks they are one player away from making a run in the playoffs. Those things will increase offers unlike now, where things are pretty stagnant.

Nice post, thank you. I follow all the logic except for one point of disagreement. I don't think giving any of these 3 guys minutes at PF works at all. Okafor and Noel proved this last year, and Embiid is clearly a center. This means that, even if Embiid misses some time, you're back to the Okafor/Noel combo that does not work. But you know what? You likely have more experience in watching this team than me. I fully admit I could be wrong.

If no trades proposed include anything that Philly values, then waiting makes total sense. It's a gamble of course, but maybe one worth taking. I hear ya.

Okafor didn't prove that he couldn't play the 4 last year. First off, he hardly played it, and secondly he was paired with an offensive zero in Noel when he did. He also didn't have a valid point guard for most of the year.

Okafor will have to prove it one way or the other this year playing next to Embiid.


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[Chris4Vikes]

Chris, I haven't kept up with this entire thread, but your posts have been largely respectful from what I have read. Be that as it may, I don't know if you actually believe what you just wrote or you want to believe it. Even if Embid proves healthy, he will most likely be on a restriction to 20 +/- mpg for the first few months of the year and likely will not play in back to backs. Secondly, with Simmons and Saric being able to play multiple positions, Okafor and Noel will get a few minutes at PF and C each game in all likelihood. Third, after watching the ludicrous contracts handed out this summer to guys like E. Turner and T. Mosgov, a team that trades for Noel will at least know they have the inside track to re-sign him. Without trading for him, he's restricted (Philly can just bring him back) and other teams are in the hunt.

For me, I think it makes most sense to part with a big man, but not necessarily before the season begins. If Embid did not have his injury history, I would probably say it should be before the season begins, but as sad as it would be, would anyone be shocked if Embid can't hold up? Yet, how will you know until he plays? If he can't hold up or will always be a limited minutes guy in order to hold up, is it quite as obvious that Philly has to trade Okafor or Noel? Not to me. Whether BC panics at some point, time will tell, but for now, I see absolutely no reason to panic. Meanwhile, if a trade nets you something akin to a better version of G. Henderson, what is the point? If that's what's being offered, I'd sooner roll the dice that a team sustains an injury during the season and/or a team thinks they are one player away from making a run in the playoffs. Those things will increase offers unlike now, where things are pretty stagnant.

Nice post, thank you. I follow all the logic except for one point of disagreement. I don't think giving any of these 3 guys minutes at PF works at all. Okafor and Noel proved this last year, and Embiid is clearly a center. This means that, even if Embiid misses some time, you're back to the Okafor/Noel combo that does not work. But you know what? You likely have more experience in watching this team than me. I fully admit I could be wrong.

If no trades proposed include anything that Philly values, then waiting makes total sense. It's a gamble of course, but maybe one worth taking. I hear ya.

Okafor didn't prove that he couldn't play the 4 last year. First off, he hardly played it, and secondly he was paired with an offensive zero in Noel when he did. He also didn't have a valid point guard for most of the year.

Okafor will have to prove it one way or the other this year playing next to Embiid.

Maybe, but I think you need a 4 or 5 capable of stretching the floor these days.


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[76ciology]

Chris, I haven't kept up with this entire thread, but your posts have been largely respectful from what I have read. Be that as it may, I don't know if you actually believe what you just wrote or you want to believe it. Even if Embid proves healthy, he will most likely be on a restriction to 20 +/- mpg for the first few months of the year and likely will not play in back to backs. Secondly, with Simmons and Saric being able to play multiple positions, Okafor and Noel will get a few minutes at PF and C each game in all likelihood. Third, after watching the ludicrous contracts handed out this summer to guys like E. Turner and T. Mosgov, a team that trades for Noel will at least know they have the inside track to re-sign him. Without trading for him, he's restricted (Philly can just bring him back) and other teams are in the hunt.

For me, I think it makes most sense to part with a big man, but not necessarily before the season begins. If Embid did not have his injury history, I would probably say it should be before the season begins, but as sad as it would be, would anyone be shocked if Embid can't hold up? Yet, how will you know until he plays? If he can't hold up or will always be a limited minutes guy in order to hold up, is it quite as obvious that Philly has to trade Okafor or Noel? Not to me. Whether BC panics at some point, time will tell, but for now, I see absolutely no reason to panic. Meanwhile, if a trade nets you something akin to a better version of G. Henderson, what is the point? If that's what's being offered, I'd sooner roll the dice that a team sustains an injury during the season and/or a team thinks they are one player away from making a run in the playoffs. Those things will increase offers unlike now, where things are pretty stagnant.

Nice post, thank you. I follow all the logic except for one point of disagreement. I don't think giving any of these 3 guys minutes at PF works at all. Okafor and Noel proved this last year, and Embiid is clearly a center. This means that, even if Embiid misses some time, you're back to the Okafor/Noel combo that does not work. But you know what? You likely have more experience in watching this team than me. I fully admit I could be wrong.

If no trades proposed include anything that Philly values, then waiting makes total sense. It's a gamble of course, but maybe one worth taking. I hear ya.

Okafor didn't prove that he couldn't play the 4 last year. First off, he hardly played it, and secondly he was paired with an offensive zero in Noel when he did. He also didn't have a valid point guard for most of the year.

Okafor will have to prove it one way or the other this year playing next to Embiid.


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I could be wrong, but the problem with Okafor at the 4 is more with the cross matching on during transition D, where Jah and Noel has a big miscommunication problem. Teams won't be able to cross match with Embiid for they will now be forced to guard Biid with a C and Jah with their PF. Aside from that, I thought Jah at PF showed promise.

[Ericb5]

Nice post, thank you. I follow all the logic except for one point of disagreement. I don't think giving any of these 3 guys minutes at PF works at all. Okafor and Noel proved this last year, and Embiid is clearly a center. This means that, even if Embiid misses some time, you're back to the Okafor/Noel combo that does not work. But you know what? You likely have more experience in watching this team than me. I fully admit I could be wrong.

If no trades proposed include anything that Philly values, then waiting makes total sense. It's a gamble of course, but maybe one worth taking. I hear ya.

Okafor didn't prove that he couldn't play the 4 last year. First off, he hardly played it, and secondly he was paired with an offensive zero in Noel when he did. He also didn't have a valid point guard for most of the year.

Okafor will have to prove it one way or the other this year playing next to Embiid.

Maybe, but I think you need a 4 or 5 capable of stretching the floor these days.


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You don't have to shoot he 3 to stretch the floor. If Okafor is given the 15-18 foot jump shot by defenses he will hit it.

Ideally he would extend is range out a few more feet, but I don't know why that isn't possible.


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[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Ainge didn't destroy his value. His value is what it is, because the rest of the league saw him play. We have to reconcile the idea that although we spent a top 3 pick on him, he isn't going to return that, because he isn't that kind of player. If they can get a top 10-15 pick or equal level player, that is fair value.

Yeah except (and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Jah) his offensive efficiency for a rookie was just about historic and he is only 20. And a lot of the media bashing is coming from either BOS or national guys with BOS ties. He's worth like a 7 pick plus a bench piece, no less.

I put up a fake trade with BOS and NYK on the fantasy board today I thought was pretty good.

Now I need to shower after defending Jah.

Okafor's offense doesn't need defending. Its his rebounding and defensive potential that has killed his value.

Yeah, and once again...It's simply WAY TOO EARLY to assume that he can't improve in those areas. Way too early, we all know you hate Jahlil Okafor, it's ok.

[LloydFree]

Yeah except (and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Jah) his offensive efficiency for a rookie was just about historic and he is only 20. And a lot of the media bashing is coming from either BOS or national guys with BOS ties. He's worth like a 7 pick plus a bench piece, no less.

I put up a fake trade with BOS and NYK on the fantasy board today I thought was pretty good.

Now I need to shower after defending Jah.

Okafor's offense doesn't need defending. Its his rebounding and defensive potential that has killed his value.

Yeah, and once again...It's simply WAY TOO EARLY to assume that he can't improve in those areas. Way too early, we all know you hate Jahlil Okafor, it's ok.

Stop being a baby. Express your opinion about the player and move on. Don't worry about the fantastic lies I made up about the player, due to my hate.

[Johnstarks]

Okafor didn't prove that he couldn't play the 4 last year. First off, he hardly played it, and secondly he was paired with an offensive zero in Noel when he did. He also didn't have a valid point guard for most of the year.

Okafor will have to prove it one way or the other this year playing next to Embiid.

Maybe, but I think you need a 4 or 5 capable of stretching the floor these days.


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You don't have to shoot he 3 to stretch the floor. If Okafor is given the 15-18 foot jump shot by defenses he will hit it.

Ideally he would extend is range out a few more feet, but I don't know why that isn't possible.


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Eh, I disagree. Blake Griffin hits the midrange as well as anyone in the game and there is a reason his name keeps coming up in trade talks. You need one of your bigs to have 3 pt range to maximize your guards effectiveness

[mksp]

And the right player is Jah at a slight discount. But we live in a world where Ainge has sent his hit men in the media to destroy Jah's value. And now to a lot of people, Jah is worth like a 20 pick. Well, that's not close, and if the market is going to be that incorrect, it's not worth dealing with the market. IMO.

Ainge didn't destroy his value. His value is what it is, because the rest of the league saw him play. We have to reconcile the idea that although we spent a top 3 pick on him, he isn't going to return that, because he isn't that kind of player. If they can get a top 10-15 pick or equal level player, that is fair value.

Yeah except (and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Jah) his offensive efficiency for a rookie was just about historic and he is only 20. And a lot of the media bashing is coming from either BOS or national guys with BOS ties. He's worth like a 7 pick plus a bench piece, no less.

I put up a fake trade with BOS and NYK on the fantasy board today I thought was pretty good.

Now I need to shower after defending Jah.

I'm sorry, serious question:

How as Jah's offensive efficiency for a rookie "just about historic?"

[76ciology]

Ainge didn't destroy his value. His value is what it is, because the rest of the league saw him play. We have to reconcile the idea that although we spent a top 3 pick on him, he isn't going to return that, because he isn't that kind of player. If they can get a top 10-15 pick or equal level player, that is fair value.

Yeah except (and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Jah) his offensive efficiency for a rookie was just about historic and he is only 20. And a lot of the media bashing is coming from either BOS or national guys with BOS ties. He's worth like a 7 pick plus a bench piece, no less.

I put up a fake trade with BOS and NYK on the fantasy board today I thought was pretty good.

Now I need to shower after defending Jah.

I'm sorry, serious question:

How as Jah's offensive efficiency for a rookie "just about historic?"

Not familiar with Jah's stats.

But I believe he's the youngest or one of the youngest ever to average atleast 50FG%, 17ppg, 50TS% with 27USG%. Pretty impressive considering majority of his points are unassisted and has shown big room for improvement.

On pure scoring standpoint, he has the making of a star caliber scorer with a high likelihood of eventually being a 20+ppg material player with efficiency.

I really think with better teammates on offense, his efficiency will improve by not forcing his way against elite defensive bigs like Gobert. And with less defensive liability teammates, he won't have to challenge that much shots per game under 6ft., which he is top 8 in the entire league.

[Gsraider]

Nice post, thank you. I follow all the logic except for one point of disagreement. I don't think giving any of these 3 guys minutes at PF works at all. Okafor and Noel proved this last year, and Embiid is clearly a center. This means that, even if Embiid misses some time, you're back to the Okafor/Noel combo that does not work. But you know what? You likely have more experience in watching this team than me. I fully admit I could be wrong.

If no trades proposed include anything that Philly values, then waiting makes total sense. It's a gamble of course, but maybe one worth taking. I hear ya.

I think Noel/Okafor looked pretty poor together, but I'm not sure I would say that neither can play a few minutes at PF. In fact, I thought Okafor looked decent offensively playing it here or there late in the season. Offensively, Okafor showed a decent face to the hoop game and what looks like an ability to grow into a decent mid-range shooter. He also surprisingly beat a few guys off the dribble from the elbow. His defense is a different issue. Both he and Noel are more comfortable near the basket and while Noel seemed as though he could guard stretch fours on paper, it's not natural to him and he always seemed to flow back to defending the rim. Not all teams have stretch fours however, and there may other combinations with Okafor that make more sense. Embid may be able to draw attention away from Okafor in ways that Noel could not. Strangely enough, the same holds true with R. Holmes. Saric might also be able to do that, although rim protection could be an issue. Of course, if you try that combination with Grant on the floor, it may help mitigate it somewhat.

Whatever the case, I actually agree with you in that it would probably be for the best to trade Okafor or Noel prior to the start of the year, but not for $.60 on the dollar. If that is what is being offered, I'd wait and roll the dice that offers will rise. Even if they still don't get what they think is equal value, I'd still take that gamble based on what I have heard is being offered now.

[rzzzzz]

I'd still take that gamble based on what I have heard is being offered now.

i saw like 3 articles today about swapping Okafor for Swaggy P, whose veteran presence and outside shooting is exactly what we need for our new rookies to develop.

[spikeslovechild]

You don't have to shoot he 3 to stretch the floor. If Okafor is given the 15-18 foot jump shot by defenses he will hit it.

Ideally he would extend is range out a few more feet, but I don't know why that isn't possible.


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Eh, I disagree. Blake Griffin hits the midrange as well as anyone in the game and there is a reason his name keeps coming up in trade talks. You need one of your bigs to have 3 pt range to maximize your guards effectiveness

I disagree. So many of these stretch bigs don't hit the three even for NBA average. Yes, there is a benefit of having a big who can hit the open three if it's there but Prozingis for example took 243 3PT attempts. Hit 33% of them. The league average was .354 last year.

Also, I disagree that you need them to hit the three to stretch the floor. We saw last year teams collapse inside on Okafor leaving their man and opening the inside outside game. Okafor is also capable of making those passes.

Bringing it back to Porzingis he scores around 10 points per 10 3PT attempts. Okafor inside scores on .675 of his attempts inclose (three feet or lees). Or 14 points per 10 attempts. So what is more of a threat to defenses Porzingis outside game or Okafor inside game?

[Johnstarks]

You don't have to shoot he 3 to stretch the floor. If Okafor is given the 15-18 foot jump shot by defenses he will hit it.

Ideally he would extend is range out a few more feet, but I don't know why that isn't possible.


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Eh, I disagree. Blake Griffin hits the midrange as well as anyone in the game and there is a reason his name keeps coming up in trade talks. You need one of your bigs to have 3 pt range to maximize your guards effectiveness

I disagree. So many of these stretch bigs don't hit the three even for NBA average. Yes, there is a benefit of having a big who can hit the open three if it's there but Prozingis for example took 243 3PT attempts. Hit 33% of them. The league average was .354 last year.

Also, I disagree that you need them to hit the three to stretch the floor. We saw last year teams collapse inside on Okafor leaving their man and opening the inside outside game. Okafor is also capable of making those passes.

Bringing it back to Porzingis he scores around 10 points per 10 3PT attempts. Okafor inside scores on .675 of his attempts inclose (three feet or lees). Or 14 points per 10 attempts. So what is more of a threat to defenses Porzingis outside game or Okafor inside game?

You don't open up the perimeter by using postplay. That went extinct 15 years ago and it's just a misconception. People must be watching nba classic instead of the modern nba

You open up the perimeter by getting penetration.

Okafor is not capable of penetrating and kicking to shooters like draymond green, Ben simmons, or lebron james. He's not a point forward he's a head down and go to goal scorer.

Porzingis is a 7'3 , 19 year old. 33% Is fantastic for a guy his size/age. You can assume it will improve this year and it's a fairly safe bet that he will be one of the most dangerous outside shooters in the league within 5 years. Let's face it, philly would give up noel and okafor together for porzingis right now.

If you built a team from scratch today porzingis would probably be one of the first 15 names drafted... Okafor might not go top 100

[spikeslovechild]

Eh, I disagree. Blake Griffin hits the midrange as well as anyone in the game and there is a reason his name keeps coming up in trade talks. You need one of your bigs to have 3 pt range to maximize your guards effectiveness

I disagree. So many of these stretch bigs don't hit the three even for NBA average. Yes, there is a benefit of having a big who can hit the open three if it's there but Prozingis for example took 243 3PT attempts. Hit 33% of them. The league average was .354 last year.

Also, I disagree that you need them to hit the three to stretch the floor. We saw last year teams collapse inside on Okafor leaving their man and opening the inside outside game. Okafor is also capable of making those passes.

Bringing it back to Porzingis he scores around 10 points per 10 3PT attempts. Okafor inside scores on .675 of his attempts inclose (three feet or lees). Or 14 points per 10 attempts. So what is more of a threat to defenses Porzingis outside game or Okafor inside game?

You don't open up the perimeter by using postplay. That went extinct 15 years ago and it's just a misconception. People must be watching nba classic instead of the modern nba

You open up the perimeter by getting penetration.

Okafor is not capable of penetrating and kicking to shooters like draymond green, Ben simmons, or lebron james. He's not a point forward he's a head down and go to goal scorer.

Porzingis is a 7'3 , 19 year old. 33% Is fantastic for a guy his size/age. You can assume it will improve this year and it's a fairly safe bet that he will be one of the most dangerous outside shooters in the league within 5 years. Let's face it, philly would give up noel and okafor together for porzingis right now.

If you built a team from scratch today porzingis would probably be one of the first 15 names drafted... Okafor might not go top 100

That's just not true. First of all, if you take a look at the top 3PT shooting teams of the league some of them have stretch bigs on in the starting lineup many do not. Like SA for instance. Or POR.

Secondly, you are sort of asking me to disbelieve what I saw with my own eyes. I saw defenders be drawn to Okafor. I saw there being plenty of space on the perimeter for our shooters to operate. Our problem wasn't spacing it was hitting those shots. We took the 8th most 3PT attempts in the league last season for goodness sake.

As far as Porzingis goes once again I don't think teams are looking at him where he is now and evaluating him which is what most of the Noel apologists want us to do. Thats the main problem really. I'm not going to argue which is a better prospect that is subjective you mention Porzingis being worth more now thats probably true but at the time of the draft Okafor clearly was. These things are fluid and can change year to year. We will see where things are at in a couple of years when the dust settles on their careers.