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Kerb Hohl wrote:There have been a large amount of hated Packer "how are they even in the NFL?" offensive linemen that went on to start multiple years elsewhere.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kerb Hohl wrote:There have been a large amount of hated Packer "how are they even in the NFL?" offensive linemen that went on to start multiple years elsewhere.
It just shows how theres a crazy lack of depth of serviceable olineman across the nfl. Its the most shallow position in the league. I laugh when fans complain about bad backups because a lot of teams dont even have 5 decent guys to start.
RRyder823 wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kerb Hohl wrote:There have been a large amount of hated Packer "how are they even in the NFL?" offensive linemen that went on to start multiple years elsewhere.
It just shows how theres a crazy lack of depth of serviceable olineman across the nfl. Its the most shallow position in the league. I laugh when fans complain about bad backups because a lot of teams dont even have 5 decent guys to start.
Hearing those complaints, especially on the internet, is just par for the course. We see it all the time on the Bucks board. If a guys not a a borderline Pro Bowler or even simply a starter then people are quick to jump on the "He's trash. How the hell does this guy even make the team?" Bandwagon.
Nevermind that those complaints come up alot of times when a starter goes down and the backup comes in and struggles. Like yeah. Your not rolling into the season with starter level guys backing up every, most or even half your positions. It's the freaking NFL. It's why injuries are always the great equalizer and you just try to weather the storm the best you can.
I like how you pointed out the O line. Sooooooo many were concerned about just how horrible our depth was on the O line going into this past draft, (and just how bad TT is at evaluating O Lineman) when even pre draft we were 6 deep with good starter level commodities yet few teams, as you say, can even roll out 5 quality guys.(That's not saying I didn't LOVE the Spriggs pick, cause I did, just illustrating the point)
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WeekapaugGroove wrote:RRyder823 wrote:WeekapaugGroove wrote:It just shows how theres a crazy lack of depth of serviceable olineman across the nfl. Its the most shallow position in the league. I laugh when fans complain about bad backups because a lot of teams dont even have 5 decent guys to start.
Hearing those complaints, especially on the internet, is just par for the course. We see it all the time on the Bucks board. If a guys not a a borderline Pro Bowler or even simply a starter then people are quick to jump on the "He's trash. How the hell does this guy even make the team?" Bandwagon.
Nevermind that those complaints come up alot of times when a starter goes down and the backup comes in and struggles. Like yeah. Your not rolling into the season with starter level guys backing up every, most or even half your positions. It's the freaking NFL. It's why injuries are always the great equalizer and you just try to weather the storm the best you can.
I like how you pointed out the O line. Sooooooo many were concerned about just how horrible our depth was on the O line going into this past draft, (and just how bad TT is at evaluating O Lineman) when even pre draft we were 6 deep with good starter level commodities yet few teams, as you say, can even roll out 5 quality guys.(That's not saying I didn't LOVE the Spriggs pick, cause I did, just illustrating the point)
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The interesting question to me is why has oline play deteriorated across the league recently?
The first points arent a recent thing but should be noted. 1) there are 160 starting olineman spots in the nfl and only so many people actually physically large enough to play those positions so scarcity is natural. 2) of the big men at lower levels most will be given a shot as a defensive lineman first then moved to oline if they cant hack it on d.
But those two factors have always been there so why does it seem worse now? IMO the biggest factor is teams throw more and pass blocking is harder than run blocking and mistakes are magnified. Id say a secondary cause is lack of good fundamental teaching at the lower levels.
PANDEMONEUM wrote:im short 3 spots.
QB - 2
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Hundley
Joe Callahan
Marquise Williams
WR - 6
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb
Davante Adams
Jared Abbrederis
Ty Montgomery
Jeff Janis
Ed Williams
Jamel Johnson
Herb Waters
RB - 3
Eddie Lacy
James Starks
John Crockett
Brandon Burks
Brandon Ross
FB - 1
Aaron Ripkowski
Alstevis Squirewell
TE - 3
Richard Rodgers
Jared Cook
Justin Perillo
Kennard Backman
Mitchell Henry
Casey Pierce
********************************
LT - 2
David Bakhtiari
Jason Spriggs
Lucas Patrick
LG - 2
Josh Sitton
Lane Taylor
Jacob Flores
C - 2
Corey Linsley
JC Tretter
Matt Rotheram
RG - 2
T.J. Lang
Don Barclay
Josh Walker
RT - 1
Bryan Bulaga
Kyle Murphy
Josh James
********************************
DE - 1
Mike Pennel
Dean Lowry
Tyler Kuder
NT - 1
Letroy Guion
Brian Price
Demetris Anderson
DT - 2
Mike Daniels
Kenny Clark
Christian Ringo
********************************
LOLB - 3
Julius Peppers
Nick Perry
Datone Jones
Reggie Gilbert
ILB - 2
Jake Ryan
Joe Thomas
Derrick Mathews
ILB - 3
Sam Barrington
Blake Martinez
Carl Bradford
Beniquez Brown
ROLB - 2
Clay Matthews
Jayrone Elliott
Kyler Fackrell
Lerentee McCray
********************************
LCB - 2
Damarious Randall
Quinten Rollins
Robertson Daniel
Josh Hawkins
Warren Gatewood
RCB - 3
Sam Shields
LaDarius Gunter
Demetri Goodson
Makinton Dorleant
Randall Jette
SS - 2
Morgan Burnett
Micah Hyde
Marwin Evans
FS - 2
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
Chris Banjo
Kentrell Brice
Jermaine Whitehead
********************************
K - 1
Mason Crosby
P - 1
Tim Masthay
LS - 1
Rick Lovato
jakecronus8 wrote:PANDEMONEUM wrote:im short 3 spots.Spoiler:
Where's Trevor Davis?
DanoMac wrote:bullox wrote:That phone number was an asset to you. You had a direct line to the gm. You've squandered it.
I squandered an asset? Then Hammond taught me well.
WiscoKing13 wrote:Here's my 53 after 2 preseason games
Offense-25
QB-Rodgers/Hundley
RB-Lacey/Starks/Crockett
FB-Rip
WR-Nelson/Cobb/Montgomery/Janis/Abby/Adams
TE-Cook/Rodgers/Perillo
T-Bulaga/Bakhiari/Spiggs/Murphy
G-Sitton/Lang/Walker
C-Linsley/Trettor/Barclay
Defense-25-Note Pennel will not count on 53 since he will be suspended.
CB-Shields/Randall/Rollins/Gunter/Hawkins
S-Burnett/Hyde/Banjo/Hyde/Brice
OLB-Mathews/Peppers/Perry/Jones/Elliot/Fackrell
ILB-Ryan/Barington/Martinez/Thomas
DE-Daniels/Clark/Lowery/Ringo
DT-Guion/Pennel
ST-3
K-Crosby
P-Mashtay
L/S-Lovato
SupremeHustle wrote:Salmons might shoot us out of games, but SJAX shoots people out of parking lots. Think about it.
Balls2TheWalls wrote:
FB (1 position) [6 overall]
Ripkowski
Not only starter by default, he has earned his spot. He plays hard every time he's on the field. He is actually capable of washing linebackers. Pretty happy he is getting his chance to see the field.
OG (3 position) [23 overall]
Sitton
Lang
Taylor
Taylor has been the best of the backups. Walker has looked terrible, and Barclay has a history of looking terrible. Sitton and Lang are both all pro guards in contract seasons -- locks, obviously.
DanoMac wrote:bullox wrote:That phone number was an asset to you. You had a direct line to the gm. You've squandered it.
I squandered an asset? Then Hammond taught me well.
SupremeHustle wrote:Salmons might shoot us out of games, but SJAX shoots people out of parking lots. Think about it.