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The case AGAINST keeping Millsap

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Is it time to move Millsap?

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Do it now for whatever we can get of value
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Wait until the trade deadline gets closer
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Not just yet
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No way should we even consider trading our best player
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#21 » by Johnstarks » Thu Aug 11, 2016 11:48 am

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Johnstarks wrote:I'm a big Millsap fan but geez starting salary of $35m just sounds gross at his age. That's a tough one. Love would make some sense and I think Cleveland would agree to that deal. He's a good fit with howard on both ends and Millsap is a perfect upgrade in cleveland


My fear is Boston may be the only team bold enough to pay him 35 mil a year while ATL wouldn't have anybody ready to replace him.


Yeah that's why love would be a good trade, he's not quite as good buto he only makes like $22/yr I think and he's a perimeter threat so he spaces the floor with Dwight. That trade definitely makes some sense for both parties
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#22 » by simon24 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:17 am

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Johnstarks wrote:I'm a big Millsap fan but geez starting salary of $35m just sounds gross at his age. That's a tough one. Love would make some sense and I think Cleveland would agree to that deal. He's a good fit with howard on both ends and Millsap is a perfect upgrade in cleveland


My fear is Boston may be the only team bold enough to pay him 35 mil a year while ATL wouldn't have anybody ready to replace him.


Yeah that's why love would be a good trade, he's not quite as good buto he only makes like $22/yr I think and he's a perimeter threat so he spaces the floor with Dwight. That trade definitely makes some sense for both parties


But does LeBron want Millsap? I figured he'd target a younger guy like Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#23 » by simon24 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:22 am

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Johnstarks wrote:I'm a big Millsap fan but geez starting salary of $35m just sounds gross at his age. That's a tough one. Love would make some sense and I think Cleveland would agree to that deal. He's a good fit with howard on both ends and Millsap is a perfect upgrade in cleveland


My fear is Boston may be the only team bold enough to pay him 35 mil a year while ATL wouldn't have anybody ready to replace him.

Sounds like the Al situation. I think the Hawks came out well with that.


I agree. I was amazed Dallas didn't cave in and offered Dwight and Parsons the max. ATL definitely lucked up. I don't think anybody could have said a year ago Dwight would be in ATL.

Yeah, I hope management just be straight up with Millsap saying they won't offer him the 35 mil a year extension and try to work out a trade somewhere where he'd resign. If it's Boston, I'd hope ATL guts them in a trade - Bradley/Crowder and a Nets pick.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#24 » by ATL Boy » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:21 pm

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My fear is Boston may be the only team bold enough to pay him 35 mil a year while ATL wouldn't have anybody ready to replace him.

Sounds like the Al situation. I think the Hawks came out well with that.


I agree. I was amazed Dallas didn't cave in and offered Dwight and Parsons the max. ATL definitely lucked up. I don't think anybody could have said a year ago Dwight would be in ATL.

Yeah, I hope management just be straight up with Millsap saying they won't offer him the 35 mil a year extension and try to work out a trade somewhere where he'd resign. If it's Boston, I'd hope ATL guts them in a trade - Bradley/Crowder and a Nets pick.

We wouldn't get the Nets pick for an expiring Millsap on the wrong side of 30. I agree with asking for as much as possible from Boston, but Danny Ainge has been extremely reluctant in trading those Nets picks, and I don't think Paul will be enough.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#25 » by Johnstarks » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:12 am

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My fear is Boston may be the only team bold enough to pay him 35 mil a year while ATL wouldn't have anybody ready to replace him.


Yeah that's why love would be a good trade, he's not quite as good buto he only makes like $22/yr I think and he's a perimeter threat so he spaces the floor with Dwight. That trade definitely makes some sense for both parties


But does LeBron want Millsap? I figured he'd target a younger guy like Blake Griffin, DeMarcus Cousins.



Nah as lebron ages we have already seen his turnovers increase , jumpshot disappearing , and finishes around the rim declining precipitously.

He's only going to play with floor spacers from this point on in his career
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#26 » by simon24 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:34 pm

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MaceCase wrote:Sounds like the Al situation. I think the Hawks came out well with that.


I agree. I was amazed Dallas didn't cave in and offered Dwight and Parsons the max. ATL definitely lucked up. I don't think anybody could have said a year ago Dwight would be in ATL.

Yeah, I hope management just be straight up with Millsap saying they won't offer him the 35 mil a year extension and try to work out a trade somewhere where he'd resign. If it's Boston, I'd hope ATL guts them in a trade - Bradley/Crowder and a Nets pick.

We wouldn't get the Nets pick for an expiring Millsap on the wrong side of 30. I agree with asking for as much as possible from Boston, but Danny Ainge has been extremely reluctant in trading those Nets picks, and I don't think Paul will be enough.


True. Bradley/Brown/Jerebko.

Dennis/Bradley/Baze/Jerebko/Dwight
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#27 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:56 pm

Hawks have, reportedly, assured Millsap he is no longer on the block and will be here for the duration of the season:


...according to sources near the situation, Millsap has been assured he’s not going anywhere.

The problem with hanging onto a guy who could be an unrestricted free agent is that you could lose him for nothing in return.
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Peachtree Hoops' take:

Kyler writes that the only reason that Millsap available in the first place was because Atlanta was looking to clear space to retain Al Horford. As soon as Horford bolted for Boston, trading Millsap became extremely unlikely at least in the short term.


It wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility for the Hawks to explore a Millsap trade given his contract situation. Still the Hawks are unlikely to even consider such a move until closer to the trade deadline and then only if the team is not performing up to expectations.
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NBC Sports echoes those thoughts:

After agreeing to terms with center Dwight Howard, Atlanta wanted to put Al Horford – not Millsap – at power forward. But Horford was also a free agent, and he left for the Celtics. So, the Hawks settled for keeping Millsap.

Millsap can opt out next summer, when he’ll be 32. Does Atlanta want to pay him $149 million over the following four seasons? It might take his max to retain him. Millsap is a two-way star, and plenty of teams will covet him. But there’s major risk in paying someone that old.

It could be better to trade him preemptively, especially if the Hawks take a step back and want to continue their youth movement.

..if Atlanta’s season goes south before the trade deadline, I’m not so sure the Hawks will honor their reported commitment to Millsap.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#28 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Sep 2, 2016 2:42 pm

Pending Free Agents: Paul Millsap – Atlanta Hawks – $21.4 million Player Option

...the story from Atlanta is that Millsap is a cornerstone to their season. Whether that’s true in the long-term remains to be seen, but in the short-term the Hawks see Millsap as the counterbalance to Dwight Howard and a focal point for their season.

Here’s the question: If the Hawks are not out of the gate world-beaters – if they are a middling team in the East – do they hang on to Millsap? Keep in mind, he can walk as a free agent.

League sources say the value of a would-be free agent diminishes the longer a team holds on to him...can they really risk letting him potentially walk in July?

Sources close to the Hawks say the relationship between Millsap and management is actually pretty good, even despite the trade rumors around the draft. They say that there has been an honest, open dialogue about Millsap’s role and future in Atlanta.

But if the Hawks get out of the gate at 5-15, does all of that change?

Millsap is absolutely a name to watch as the trade deadline gets closer. But like many of the guys on this list, he’s not someone the Hawks would look to move today – if they looked at moving him at all.
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Knowing that we've managed to keep a good working relationship with PM in light of all that occurred this summer, it speaks well of Bud's rapport with the players. A necessary factor since we'll likely be leaning on Dennis and Dwight in the near future. A couple of actual Divas that have had trouble playing well with others in each of their careers.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#29 » by simon24 » Sun Sep 4, 2016 2:00 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Pending Free Agents: Paul Millsap – Atlanta Hawks – $21.4 million Player Option

...the story from Atlanta is that Millsap is a cornerstone to their season. Whether that’s true in the long-term remains to be seen, but in the short-term the Hawks see Millsap as the counterbalance to Dwight Howard and a focal point for their season.

Here’s the question: If the Hawks are not out of the gate world-beaters – if they are a middling team in the East – do they hang on to Millsap? Keep in mind, he can walk as a free agent.

League sources say the value of a would-be free agent diminishes the longer a team holds on to him...can they really risk letting him potentially walk in July?

Sources close to the Hawks say the relationship between Millsap and management is actually pretty good, even despite the trade rumors around the draft. They say that there has been an honest, open dialogue about Millsap’s role and future in Atlanta.

But if the Hawks get out of the gate at 5-15, does all of that change?

Millsap is absolutely a name to watch as the trade deadline gets closer. But like many of the guys on this list, he’s not someone the Hawks would look to move today – if they looked at moving him at all.
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Knowing that we've managed to keep a good working relationship with PM in light of all that occurred this summer, it speaks well of Bud's rapport with the players. A necessary factor since we'll likely be leaning on Dennis and Dwight in the near future. A couple of actual Divas that have had trouble playing well with others in each of their careers.


Yeah, they keep it professional. Hawks got a lot of free agents next summer though, I just wonder at this point of Millsap's career what does he value more? Winning a championship or getting paid?
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Great to see Millsap trying to make it work with Dwight. I'm hoping Millsap improved his 3 point shot even more because I'm sure Dwight will get him some good looks. I know Millsap got to love he doesn't have to do as much dirty work as he did in the past since Dwight will do it.
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The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#33 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:31 pm

Hot take from C-Viv, the beat writer for the Hawks at AJC:


Millsap undecided about opting out of final year of contract


Paul Millsap said he has yet to decide whether he will opt out of the final year of his contract with the Hawks this summer.

The three-time All-Star power forward has a player option for the 2017-18 season worth $21,472,407. It would seem likely that Millsap will opt out and become an unrestricted free agent based on a projected increase in the NBA salary cap. However, Millsap said he will see how this season plays out before making up his mind.

Retaining Millsap is a priority, according to a person in the Hawks organization. The Hawks did discuss possible trades involving Millsap during the summer as they juggled the signing of Dwight Howard and the free agency of Al Horford.




Paul, similar to AL, seems to always say the right things when the cameras are rolling:
Paul Millsap wrote:I think the plan is to see how this season goes and go from there. I can’t predict what is going to happen. For me, it’s focus on basketball. Get through this year, try to get a championship for this team first of all. We’ll deal with all that during the summer time when we have all our options on the table.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#34 » by simon24 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:42 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Hot take from C-Viv, the beat writer for the Hawks at AJC:


Millsap undecided about opting out of final year of contract[/b]


Paul Millsap said he has yet to decide whether he will opt out of the final year of his contract with the Hawks this summer.

The three-time All-Star power forward has a player option for the 2017-18 season worth $21,472,407. It would seem likely that Millsap will opt out and become an unrestricted free agent an increase in the NBA salary cap. However, Millsap said he will see how this season plays out before making up his mind.

Retaining Millsap is a priority, according to according a person in the Hawks organization. The Hawks did discuss possible trades involving Millsap during the summer as they juggled the signing of Dwight Howard and the free agency of Al Horford.




Paul, similar to AL, seems to always say the right things when the cameras are rolling:
Paul Millsap wrote:I think the plan is to see how this season goes and go from there. I can’t predict what is going to happen. For me, it’s focus on basketball. Get through this year, try to get a championship for this team first of all. We’ll deal with all that during the summer time when we have all our options on the table.


I definitely think Millsap is all about the money. Dude was about to sign with ORL for the max a few years ago despite just competing in the ECF with ATL.

If ATL doesn't offer him the full 4 year max he's going to whoever offers it to him.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#35 » by ATL Boy » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:49 am

Lol Millsap's not fooling anyone. He'll opt out, if I was in his position I'd opt out too, barring injury it would be foolish not to considering the circumstances.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#36 » by jayu70 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 12:19 pm

ATL Boy wrote:Lol Millsap's not fooling anyone. He'll opt out, if I was in his position I'd opt out too, barring injury it would be foolish not to considering the circumstances.

Agreed - he would be a fool not to.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#37 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:05 pm

ESPN Insiders discuss our hometown team...including whether ATL should deal Millsap in trade. Anyone have access and willing to summarize the article?


Predictions: Will Hawks trade Millsap?

Are the Hawks built for a playoff run? What trades should they make? Our NBA Insiders preview Atlanta's 2016-17 season.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#38 » by ATL Boy » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:49 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:ESPN Insiders discuss our hometown team...including whether ATL should deal Millsap in trade. Anyone have access and willing to summarize the article?


Predictions: Will Hawks trade Millsap?

Are the Hawks built for a playoff run? What trades should they make? Our NBA Insiders preview Atlanta's 2016-17 season.
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With how soft the schedule is out of the gate, I doubt we play poorly enough to consider trading Millsap.
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Re: The case AGAINST keeping Millsap 

Post#40 » by HMFFL » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:55 pm

I expect him to opt out too.
It only makes sense for him to do so and sign for a max contract. He deserve it, but I hope he becomes an All-Star again this season, and we extend him. If we have a plan B that makes us just as good or better so be it.

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